Who believes North and Carlton will sustain...

[shanegrambeau]

....their “rebound” and why or why not?

[guitars4]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

[WellardSaint]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

wrong wrong WRONG

Article from Fox Sports of May 31, just after Brad "Kray" Scott walked the gangplank:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 60d50c7306
..."Of the 18 caretaker coaches since 2000 that have taken over duties...only seven of them have led their clubs to first-up wins.

Perhaps this is because our expectations of these coaches are so low — if we have any at all — that we vividly remember the first-up wins yet easily forget the first-up losses."

[realdeal]

North might as they actually have some good mature players.

Carlton won't as they have an amazing Patty Cripps and not much else.

[guitars4]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

wrong wrong WRONG

Article from Fox Sports of May 31, just after Brad "Kray" Scott walked the gangplank:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 60d50c7306
..."Of the 18 caretaker coaches since 2000 that have taken over duties...only seven of them have led their clubs to first-up wins.

Perhaps this is because our expectations of these coaches are so low — if we have any at all — that we vividly remember the first-up wins yet easily forget the first-up losses."

Fair call the facts speak for themselves I was wrong

[shanegrambeau]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

wrong wrong WRONG

Article from Fox Sports of May 31, just after Brad "Kray" Scott walked the gangplank:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 60d50c7306
..."Of the 18 caretaker coaches since 2000 that have taken over duties...only seven of them have led their clubs to first-up wins.

Perhaps this is because our expectations of these coaches are so low — if we have any at all — that we vividly remember the first-up wins yet easily forget the first-up losses."

Fair call the facts speak for themselves I was wrong

Not really. I don't think you were that wrong. 7 out of 18 is amazing considering that sacked coaches are not taking over teams that have won 4 and a half of their last ten games.

The premise of my question is based on whether our team is playing the best it can, given its situation and how a team can suddenly become 'good' . I guess the common hunch is that players are being constrained or trained to do things that are not instinctive to them, and then when suddenly released from whatever constraints they perceived to be holding them back, they surge.

And so I wonder if our blokes are feeling that kind of restraint now or whether they are actually peaking and still not good enough. If the latter is true, then the case for Richo looks different.

[WellardSaint]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

wrong wrong WRONG

Article from Fox Sports of May 31, just after Brad "Kray" Scott walked the gangplank:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 60d50c7306
..."Of the 18 caretaker coaches since 2000 that have taken over duties...only seven of them have led their clubs to first-up wins.

Perhaps this is because our expectations of these coaches are so low — if we have any at all — that we vividly remember the first-up wins yet easily forget the first-up losses."

Fair call the facts speak for themselves I was wrong

Not really. I don't think you were that wrong. 7 out of 18 is amazing considering that sacked coaches are not taking over teams that have won 4 and a half of their last ten games.

The premise of my question is based on whether our team is playing the best it can, given its situation and how a team can suddenly become 'good' . I guess the common hunch is that players are being constrained or trained to do things that are not instinctive to them, and then when suddenly released from whatever constraints they perceived to be holding them back, they surge.

And so I wonder if our blokes are feeling that kind of restraint now or whether they are actually peaking and still not good enough. If the latter is true, then the case for Richo looks different.

Carlton's win makes it 8 out of 19 now. That's a LONG way from 90%.
"not that wrong"? he's wrong. You can't be "a little bit pregnant", you either are, or you aren't.
You need to go back to grade 3 maths.
Unbelievable.

[Laurie]

They will both finish on top of us in the ladder at the end of the year.

[guitars4]

To win after the coach has been sacked happens I reckon 90% of the time . I think the mind set changes player feel a bit of liberation & play more instinctively than re-actively & it works in the short term but it won't last IMO

wrong wrong WRONG

Article from Fox Sports of May 31, just after Brad "Kray" Scott walked the gangplank:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 60d50c7306
..."Of the 18 caretaker coaches since 2000 that have taken over duties...only seven of them have led their clubs to first-up wins.

Perhaps this is because our expectations of these coaches are so low — if we have any at all — that we vividly remember the first-up wins yet easily forget the first-up losses."

Fair call the facts speak for themselves I was wrong

Not really. I don't think you were that wrong. 7 out of 18 is amazing considering that sacked coaches are not taking over teams that have won 4 and a half of their last ten games.

The premise of my question is based on whether our team is playing the best it can, given its situation and how a team can suddenly become 'good' . I guess the common hunch is that players are being constrained or trained to do things that are not instinctive to them, and then when suddenly released from whatever constraints they perceived to be holding them back, they surge.

And so I wonder if our blokes are feeling that kind of restraint now or whether they are actually peaking and still not good enough. If the latter is true, then the case for Richo looks different.

Carlton's win makes it 8 out of 19 now. That's a LONG way from 90%.
"not that wrong"? he's wrong. You can't be "a little bit pregnant", you either are, or you aren't.
You need to go back to grade 3 maths.
Unbelievable.

Yeah I think you've made your point as I said I was wrong It's not the first time & definitely won't be the last but

[shanegrambeau]

No, you are not that wrong, Carlton’s record was very poor in the last thirty or so games is terrible and Bolton’s win ratio is 20-30% - in any case, without the numbers quibble there is no doubt that a rebound effect is real, as alluded to in the Richo thread.

Carlton also had a remarkable turn-around mid game. I guess most punters suggest it won’t last. Some suggest in the Richo thread that our boost early in the season came from assistant coach changes.

In any case, if our players are peaking, as individuals and as team contributors, we have a long, long way back.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Nope.

[Impatient Sainter]

The one thing I will garauntee is we will finish bottom 4 again!

[Wayne42]

The one thing I will guarantee is we will finish bottom 4 again!

It's just like being home...