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Re: Hugh and Freezer
I have always been of the view that you put your best available players on the Park looking to win games (every game).
Not a judgement on "pay packets".
IF St Kilda made a call in regards Hickey and Longer because of "pay packet", St Kilda were wrong by my knowledge of successful Clubs and the administration of successful Clubs.
In life, you never get out of trouble by selling your best asset and retaining your dud assets.
It just does not work, never has and never will.
Not a judgement on "pay packets".
IF St Kilda made a call in regards Hickey and Longer because of "pay packet", St Kilda were wrong by my knowledge of successful Clubs and the administration of successful Clubs.
In life, you never get out of trouble by selling your best asset and retaining your dud assets.
It just does not work, never has and never will.
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
Old enough to repaint, but young enough to sell
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
Hickey was never our best asset, NEVER.
There's a little thing called Salary Cap that would counter any argument you might have.
Any wonder you left the workforce and never returned.
There's a little thing called Salary Cap that would counter any argument you might have.
Any wonder you left the workforce and never returned.
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
Incorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
West Coast still trying to figure a way to polish a 'Turd', good luck to them, they'll need it.
Longer on minimum wage is must better value, would be leading Sandy's B&F and not costing the fortune Tom would have, if Hickey was still on our books, we would more than likely loss a talented youngster.
Not about money, oh really!
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Yet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
Give DH a chance to prove himself.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Yeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
How is showing concern about paying a broken down 28 year old $4M, which impacts our future ability to keep or get young stars, short sighted?King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:38pmYeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Why are we hanging out for DH yet have Armo playing in the 2s? Armo averaged more disposals at a higher efficency than DH last year, and kicked 8 goals to DH’s 1.
Seems to me like we already have a DH-like player on our list under contract.
NOBODY connected to the AFL, except for a few Saints people, think this is a good deal for us.
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
How do you know Longer is on minimum wages? Who told you that?King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
West Coast still trying to figure a way to polish a 'Turd', good luck to them, they'll need it.
Longer on minimum wage is must better value, would be leading Sandy's B&F and not costing the fortune Tom would have, if Hickey was still on our books, we would more than likely loss a talented youngster.
Not about money, oh really!
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Cause I know that's what he's on. Take it to the bank, not from the horse's mouth, but from the same barn!saynta wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 4:20pmHow do you know Longer is on minimum wages? Who told you that?King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
West Coast still trying to figure a way to polish a 'Turd', good luck to them, they'll need it.
Longer on minimum wage is must better value, would be leading Sandy's B&F and not costing the fortune Tom would have, if Hickey was still on our books, we would more than likely loss a talented youngster.
Not about money, oh really!
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That is incorrect.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 4:15pmHow is showing concern about paying a broken down 28 year old $4M, which impacts our future ability to keep or get young stars, short sighted?King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:38pmYeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Why are we hanging out for DH yet have Armo playing in the 2s? Armo averaged more disposals at a higher efficency than DH last year, and kicked 8 goals to DH’s 1.
Seems to me like we already have a DH-like player on our list under contract.
NOBODY connected to the AFL, except for a few Saints people, think this is a good deal for us.
Comparing Armo to Dan is like comparing Apples and Pears.
Your opinion, your allowed one.
Is there anyone at St.Kilda you don't run down, just a question, you don't have to answer.
Have a lovely day.
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You don't need to get personal when expressing an opinion
One thing I can't stand more than an apologist or a nuffie simpleton is a shyte person
'Have a lovely day indeed'....You continue to display that you are nasty on the inside, even though on the outside you pretend to be nice
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
You don't know, you don't know my thoughts, so, do yourself a favour and don't comment, thanks, have a lovely evening.Josh Battle wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 5:56pmYou don't need to get personal when expressing an opinion
One thing I can't stand more than an apologist or a nuffie simpleton is a shyte person
'Have a lovely day indeed'....You continue to display that you are nasty on the inside, even though on the outside you pretend to be nice
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I haven’t seen one person come out and say it was a good deal. Sydney probably couldn’t believe their luck!King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 4:36pmThat is incorrect.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 4:15pmHow is showing concern about paying a broken down 28 year old $4M, which impacts our future ability to keep or get young stars, short sighted?King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:38pmYeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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Why are we hanging out for DH yet have Armo playing in the 2s? Armo averaged more disposals at a higher efficency than DH last year, and kicked 8 goals to DH’s 1.
Seems to me like we already have a DH-like player on our list under contract.
NOBODY connected to the AFL, except for a few Saints people, think this is a good deal for us.
Comparing Armo to Dan is like comparing Apples and Pears.
Your opinion, your allowed one.
Is there anyone at St.Kilda you don't run down, just a question, you don't have to answer.
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Armo had a better year than DH in 2018, that’s a fact. If you think we’re getting a 2015 DH I think you’re going to be extremely disappointed.
DH is not worth $4M, that’s a fact. I don’t have a problem with him, just what he’s costing us, now and in the future.
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So now we are advised by a “Name” on this site that St Kilda have Salary Cap pressures therefore needed to retain a “player” on the basic wage in preference to a player on a higher wage
Hmmm
And in regards the other commentary, I could afford to retire 25 years ago - as a result of my achievements whilst in the work force, and parent my children on a full time basis
And that was the very best decision I have ever made during my life
As an aside, during those 25 years my unencumbered wealth has more than tripled - courtesy of me and the skills I have e
Never judge others by self is a very old and well tested saying
You have confirmed the reason the saying remains relevant
What does concern me is that my young Grand-children, my children and the friends I attend the football with are in proximity to individuals such as you
Hmmm
And in regards the other commentary, I could afford to retire 25 years ago - as a result of my achievements whilst in the work force, and parent my children on a full time basis
And that was the very best decision I have ever made during my life
As an aside, during those 25 years my unencumbered wealth has more than tripled - courtesy of me and the skills I have e
Never judge others by self is a very old and well tested saying
You have confirmed the reason the saying remains relevant
What does concern me is that my young Grand-children, my children and the friends I attend the football with are in proximity to individuals such as you
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Re: Hugh and Freezer
Don't understand what you mean by this.
He was never our best player sure but prior to this season he was by far our best ruck over three seasons
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I don't have an issue with moving Hugh,Nathan,Mav & even Tom on. IMO it was the right decision as they were all surplus to our needs the only thing I will say it could have been Billy instead of Tom but neither will required players in the big scheme of things.
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Check out the response you got from said "Name". If you were in any doubt that we have nuffies posting with nfi, then the post just puts it being doubt. PricelessTo the top wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 8:34pm So now we are advised by a “Name” on this site that St Kilda have Salary Cap pressures therefore needed to retain a “player” on the basic wage in preference to a player on a higher wage
Hmmm
And in regards the other commentary, I could afford to retire 25 years ago - as a result of my achievements whilst in the work force, and parent my children on a full time basis
And that was the very best decision I have ever made during my life
As an aside, during those 25 years my unencumbered wealth has more than tripled - courtesy of me and the skills I have e
Never judge others by self is a very old and well tested saying
You have confirmed the reason the saying remains relevant
What does concern me is that my young Grand-children, my children and the friends I attend the football with are in proximity to individuals such as you
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He did not say we had to retain Longer and let Hickey go because of salary cap pressure.To the top wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 8:34pm So now we are advised by a “Name” on this site that St Kilda have Salary Cap pressures therefore needed to retain a “player” on the basic wage in preference to a player on a higher wage
Hmmm
We let Hickey go because he was not worth paying $600,000 a year to play at Sandringham which would have happened if he stayed with the Saints.
At 28 years of age Tom is not getting better and as our prime ruck last year he was disappointing.
It was time to give Marshall and Pierce a go.
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Let's not let the facts get in the way of the apologist spin
If Simon and Matt didn't hatch the plot to get Dan across to the Saints Hickey would still be lining up for us most weeks
And...interesting that you mention that "Pierce" and Marshall were to be given a go. Yes!! And the selection committee and Cho picked Pierce ahead of Marshall in round 1. If Pierce didn't get concussed, he probably would have been given 2 or 3 games before Cho realised he had to play RoMa.
If Pierce didn't get concussed and he did play a few games early this year we may not have even won some games. I'm sure you and the 'real supporters' would be on here telling us that Marshall is being 'developed' in the magoos.
Plus...there'd be a chorus of apologist experts telling us that it is best for RoMa because his body is not ready to play ruck in the seniors each week and just like Hunter, Rowan is building confidence with Sandringham.
If Simon and Matt didn't hatch the plot to get Dan across to the Saints Hickey would still be lining up for us most weeks
And...interesting that you mention that "Pierce" and Marshall were to be given a go. Yes!! And the selection committee and Cho picked Pierce ahead of Marshall in round 1. If Pierce didn't get concussed, he probably would have been given 2 or 3 games before Cho realised he had to play RoMa.
If Pierce didn't get concussed and he did play a few games early this year we may not have even won some games. I'm sure you and the 'real supporters' would be on here telling us that Marshall is being 'developed' in the magoos.
Plus...there'd be a chorus of apologist experts telling us that it is best for RoMa because his body is not ready to play ruck in the seniors each week and just like Hunter, Rowan is building confidence with Sandringham.
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Agree, some can be short sighted at times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:38pmYeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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What's with all the !, HoneyBun's?Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 10:20pmAgree, some can be short sighted at times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!King12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:38pmYeap, more happy with that deal, for someone who cranks on about the big picture, you're a little short sighted at times.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 3:29pmYet we’re happy to pay DH $800k for the next 5 yearsKing12 wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:50pmIncorrect, it's called Salary Cap, Hickey was not of any value on $600k a year, still isn't!Bernard Shakey wrote: ↑Fri 24 May 2019 2:08pm Had nothing to do with pay packets. Nobody wanted Longer, and rightly so.
We had too many ruck men and Hickey had a value!
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