Thanks for the info. I'll reserve any more opinions until the gamelewdogs wrote: ↑Thu 16 May 2019 10:28pmMarsh will play back. Was bog in the VFL last week playing back. White stiff but Marsh looks a really good prospect.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 16 May 2019 8:27pmBumpSuperDuper wrote: ↑Fri 03 May 2019 9:14am He is not even emergency... was BOG for Sandy in their last game..
Will leave for the Hawks at the end of the year and will be a gun there...
Brandon White has been playing consistently well at VFL level and has been discriminated against by his coach. Bloody play the kid Cho!!
Webster out should have meant White in
This is what we mean by integrity of team selection. It doesn't make any sense if Marsh is played as a forward against his old club.
Jimmy Webster is out of the team and he needs to replaced by a backman. It's the perfect opportunity for White to fill a void and play his role.
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Richo really must not like White.
Seems the perfect replacement for Webster, still cannot get a game.
Phillips did far less at VFL level, yet came in. Paton as well... Young far far less at VFL level this year.
White BOG in 2 of the last three VFL games.
We will lose him to the hawks and he will become a star
Seems the perfect replacement for Webster, still cannot get a game.
Phillips did far less at VFL level, yet came in. Paton as well... Young far far less at VFL level this year.
White BOG in 2 of the last three VFL games.
We will lose him to the hawks and he will become a star
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White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
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Interesting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
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Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
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Re: Brandon White
Named as an emergency again this week. He will get there.
Emergencies:
Billy Longer
Ben Long
Brandon White
Nicholas Hind
Emergencies:
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Official stats say he is quite big and strong which are qualities we need. But back 6 and first understudies have been pretty good this year. Patience grasshopper.
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Weller only played 13 games last year and was consistently good for 1 and s*** the next 2. However, in general stats and even defensively, as a forward, Weller out ranked White during his own 6 games as a defender. The biggest feature of his game is rebounding which we all know rarely transposes into attack.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:51pmInteresting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
Hindsight is 20/20 but that sort of genius was clearly missing last year but was definitely in scope when we drafted Young and Parker. I will leave you to ponder that on your own.
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I see what you are saying but I think your comparisons are intentionally a little dramatic.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:55pm Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Are you suggesting White should replace either of these 2 or are you suggesting that based on equity and his body of work, White should be considered for selection the same way as Newnes and Ross are?
A quick age comparison on stats should straighten up your logic and bring you back to reality.
Im guessing you are also suggesting that White has been poorly developed.
I'd suggest his that strengths are solid but his application to his own development might be lacking. Just my opinion though.
I do hope he gets an extension though.
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In fairness I was referring more to 2017... and my gripe was a bit more to do with a long standing pet peeve of accepting a consistent if mediocre performances vs accepting a few bad performances from a developing player in the hope that they raise the bar with development.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:32pmWeller only played 13 games last year and was consistently good for 1 and s*** the next 2. However, in general stats and even defensively, as a forward, Weller out ranked White during his own 6 games as a defender. The biggest feature of his game is rebounding which we all know rarely transposes into attack.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:51pmInteresting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
Hindsight is 20/20 but that sort of genius was clearly missing last year but was definitely in scope when we drafted Young and Parker. I will leave you to ponder that on your own.
My sense with White is that he has a lot of potential and is the type of player that maybe in a year or two you’d wish played 25-30 games more earlier. It’s not a like for like interchange though I guess
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I suspect this may be the caseCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:48pmI see what you are saying but I think your comparisons are intentionally a little dramatic.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:55pm Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Are you suggesting White should replace either of these 2 or are you suggesting that based on equity and his body of work, White should be considered for selection the same way as Newnes and Ross are?
A quick age comparison on stats should straighten up your logic and bring you back to reality.
Im guessing you are also suggesting that White has been poorly developed.
I'd suggest his that strengths are solid but his application to his own development might be lacking. Just my opinion though.
I do hope he gets an extension though.
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Was that the year Brandon turned up with increased skinfolds and bad conditioning from.the off season.?skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:19pmIn fairness I was referring more to 2017CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:32pmWeller only played 13 games last year and was consistently good for 1 and s*** the next 2. However, in general stats and even defensively, as a forward, Weller out ranked White during his own 6 games as a defender. The biggest feature of his game is rebounding which we all know rarely transposes into attack.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:51pmInteresting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
Hindsight is 20/20 but that sort of genius was clearly missing last year but was definitely in scope when we drafted Young and Parker. I will leave you to ponder that on your own.
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You may be right. Better than a busted ankle I guess but point to you CQCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:27pmWas that the year Brandon turned up with increased skinfolds and bad conditioning from.the off season.?skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:19pmIn fairness I was referring more to 2017CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:32pmWeller only played 13 games last year and was consistently good for 1 and s*** the next 2. However, in general stats and even defensively, as a forward, Weller out ranked White during his own 6 games as a defender. The biggest feature of his game is rebounding which we all know rarely transposes into attack.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:51pmInteresting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
Hindsight is 20/20 but that sort of genius was clearly missing last year but was definitely in scope when we drafted Young and Parker. I will leave you to ponder that on your own.
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Look I love the kid. I think he has some strengths that we can use. Fierce attack on the ball and a lovely left foot. He looks very onesided and a bit one dimensional though. Obviously he is improving and should continue that way.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:34pmYou may be right. Better than a busted ankle I guess but point to you CQCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:27pmWas that the year Brandon turned up with increased skinfolds and bad conditioning from.the off season.?skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 9:19pmIn fairness I was referring more to 2017CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:32pmWeller only played 13 games last year and was consistently good for 1 and s*** the next 2. However, in general stats and even defensively, as a forward, Weller out ranked White during his own 6 games as a defender. The biggest feature of his game is rebounding which we all know rarely transposes into attack.skeptic wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:51pmInteresting question you asked... could he be a lockdown forward?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 5:30pm White is certainly getting possessions at Sandy but is he beating his player? Honest question. From what Ive seen he provides decent contest when the ball is in dispute and runs into supportive positions but can he defend? Can he lockdown a forward. Hind strikes me a bit the same.
Wilkie, Battle and Webster are very good at this, Geary is a gun defender and Savage has improved but provides much more than that.
I believe that this might be what keeps him out. He was behind Roberton and Savage. Now he is behind Wilkie and Savage.
I always thought he would transition into the midfield early on. Looks like that hasnt happened either. Coffield will probably pass him too.
Too bad that instead of trying it, we instead chose we play an injured Weller to a mediocre standard for 20 weeks
Hindsight is 20/20 but that sort of genius was clearly missing last year but was definitely in scope when we drafted Young and Parker. I will leave you to ponder that on your own.
I hope he takes his next chance by the horns and gives it 110%. Could be anything but despite a couple of runs at it so far, there has clearly been a lack of confidence in him which has now been compounded by Wilkie and Marsh working themselves into favour quickly and at the other end Parker and Young coming with good State League pedigrees and a fierce desire to make the grade.
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If Webster requires surgery to his hand, he won't be back for a while, so White will get his chance,
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Thanks for the replies. I agree with most of what you say but I'd prefer you quit with the inference that your grasp of reality and your grasp of logic is superior to others.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:48pmI see what you are saying but I think your comparisons are intentionally a little dramatic.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:55pm Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Are you suggesting White should replace either of these 2 or are you suggesting that based on equity and his body of work, White should be considered for selection the same way as Newnes and Ross are?
A quick age comparison on stats should straighten up your logic and bring you back to reality.
Im guessing you are also suggesting that White has been poorly developed.
I'd suggest his that strengths are solid but his application to his own development might be lacking. Just my opinion though.
I do hope he gets an extension though.
Don't you love it when you have facts and statistics being compared and one guy says to the other guy that your statistics are 'a little dramatic'. Kind of like what last century's typical male had been saying to women instead of just focussing on the facts and the issue at hand
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I thought you were talking about standards and relating the efforts of a 10 game player with 2 current veterans. IMHO that defies logic, seems unrealistic and a little dramatic. Im sorry if pointing that out ou ffended you, that was not my intent.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 18 May 2019 12:22pmThanks for the replies. I agree with most of what you say but I'd prefer you quit with the inference that your grasp of reality and your grasp of logic is superior to others.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:48pmI see what you are saying but I think your comparisons are intentionally a little dramatic.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:55pm Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Are you suggesting White should replace either of these 2 or are you suggesting that based on equity and his body of work, White should be considered for selection the same way as Newnes and Ross are?
A quick age comparison on stats should straighten up your logic and bring you back to reality.
Im guessing you are also suggesting that White has been poorly developed.
I'd suggest his that strengths are solid but his application to his own development might be lacking. Just my opinion though.
I do hope he gets an extension though.
Don't you love it when you have facts and statistics being compared and one guy says to the other guy that your statistics are 'a little dramatic'. Kind of like what last century's typical male had been saying to women instead of just focussing on the facts and the issue at hand
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So ...after the fact that you have offended me...you now just want to debate the issues.
I think enough has been said. Move on
I think enough has been said. Move on
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Oh, and I just asked my wife, born last century and a mad Saint supporter, she thinks we are both silly and that your comparison between Ross, Newnes and White was clutching at straws.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 18 May 2019 12:22pmThanks for the replies. I agree with most of what you say but I'd prefer you quit with the inference that your grasp of reality and your grasp of logic is superior to others.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 8:48pmI see what you are saying but I think your comparisons are intentionally a little dramatic.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 17 May 2019 6:55pm Funny how there are certain standards that only apply to Brandon, or only apply to defenders
Don't forwards have an important role when it comes to locking down?
Don't midfielders have to defend?
Last year when Newnesy had a handful of tackles in about 5-6 matches, was he dropped?
Last week when Seb Ross had a stack of possessions, were his effective disposals as damaging as his midfield counterpart? According to the coaches association votes it seems not.
And also during the match last week when Seb Ross had zero tackles, how is that treating him the same as Brandon?
Are you suggesting White should replace either of these 2 or are you suggesting that based on equity and his body of work, White should be considered for selection the same way as Newnes and Ross are?
A quick age comparison on stats should straighten up your logic and bring you back to reality.
Im guessing you are also suggesting that White has been poorly developed.
I'd suggest his that strengths are solid but his application to his own development might be lacking. Just my opinion though.
I do hope he gets an extension though.
Don't you love it when you have facts and statistics being compared and one guy says to the other guy that your statistics are 'a little dramatic'. Kind of like what last century's typical male had been saying to women instead of just focussing on the facts and the issue at hand
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White is just not good enough at the moment to be getting a game. Paton and Wilkie are ahead of him.
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