Changes v Pies
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Changes v Pies
Out: Long, Phillips
In: (Obviously Steven if available otherwise) Young, Hind
On Notice: Parker
In: (Obviously Steven if available otherwise) Young, Hind
On Notice: Parker
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Re: Changes v Pies
In: Hind, Marsh
Out: Long, Parker
Out: Long, Parker
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Re: Changes v Pies
Hind has done a lot, lot, lot more than Young to deserve a senior game.
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Re: Changes v Pies
Phillips has plenty of upside and should stay in, but Long needs to go back to VFL. White is going great at Sandy, so he should get a game. Just worried that too many of our experienced players have gone off the boil and are not bringing their A game- doing occasional good things doesn't add up to a winning effort.
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Re: Changes v Pies
That is what you get from inexperienced players at the end of the day, we are missing too many experienced guys atm.spert wrote: ↑Mon 13 May 2019 1:57pm Phillips has plenty of upside and should stay in, but Long needs to go back to VFL. White is going great at Sandy, so he should get a game. Just worried that too many of our experienced players have gone off the boil and are not bringing their A game- doing occasional good things doesn't add up to a winning effort.
All the same, it will hold us in good shape down the track.
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Re: Changes v Pies
He was ok but IMO he's not at the level required just yet. I think Long needs a stint at Sandy to get a bit of form back so I'm saying Long & Phillips out Hind & Clark inspert wrote: ↑Mon 13 May 2019 1:57pm Phillips has plenty of upside and should stay in, but Long needs to go back to VFL. White is going great at Sandy, so he should get a game. Just worried that too many of our experienced players have gone off the boil and are not bringing their A game- doing occasional good things doesn't add up to a winning effort.
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Re: Changes v Pies
Confuse our opposition. They would be planning for the same old line up and the same old game plan
Don't let them settle and don't makes things easy for them. Let them earn the victory instead of it being handed to them
Play some bigger bodies in the middle like Joyce, Battle, Membrey and Acres
Play Ross off the bench and give him stints deep forward as a crumber. If Long and Kent and Parker all play then give them each a role of knocking out one of their star mids. Doesn't matter if it's Gary Ablett Jnr style with a forearm to the head collision or whether it's a pile drive forward tackle with their arms pinned and their heads buried deep into the MCG turf.
Make a statement against their ruckman early and just unleash ...or should that be....Release the Billy Longer Kraken
Don't let them settle and don't makes things easy for them. Let them earn the victory instead of it being handed to them
Play some bigger bodies in the middle like Joyce, Battle, Membrey and Acres
Play Ross off the bench and give him stints deep forward as a crumber. If Long and Kent and Parker all play then give them each a role of knocking out one of their star mids. Doesn't matter if it's Gary Ablett Jnr style with a forearm to the head collision or whether it's a pile drive forward tackle with their arms pinned and their heads buried deep into the MCG turf.
Make a statement against their ruckman early and just unleash ...or should that be....Release the Billy Longer Kraken
Re: Changes v Pies
I would consider Longer as main ruck, with Marshall up forward (and 2nd ruck) with Membrey as 3rd tall forward.
Bruce (best game for a long time vs WC), Marshall and Membrey up forward would give us a strong attack.
Bruce (best game for a long time vs WC), Marshall and Membrey up forward would give us a strong attack.
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Re: Changes v Pies
To consider playing Longer is to gift Grundy a BOG in a dominant game
Grundy is just too mobile for Longer - in fact every other ruckman in the competition is
So we have exclusive reliance on Marshall
It is a case of who lends support - because Bruce is our only other tall and without him in attack we have no forward target (with all respect to Membrey but he needs the right opponent as in out marking Hurn)
Neither Battle nor Brown are rucking options
So who is left?
This is where our unavailable list including Carlisle and Mc Cartin really hurts
It means we have no options - no flexibility
In regards Phillips he got his hands on it - but was unable to use it to any advantage and, indeed, to our disadvantage
Long and Parker were poor. As was Newnes and as was Ross because he lacked what Dunstan bought to the contest - then there was his disposal (given he runs and bounces why no impact on the scoreboard - ever?)
So we continue to turn players looking for the next Marshall, Wilkie, Battle and Paton
Joyce is the interesting one to me and I would be giving him a run at it - with Brown in the side
He has the pace to play on tall and short - and his run and disposal are promising
Could be another Max H - but quicker
The player we really miss is Number 3 - so we trust he is in the position to expand his focus from what is absolutely important to him and us correctly all consuming to also include a commitment to the footy club and playing footy
Every day you get a bit stronger so the day will come at the right time for Jack and those who rely on him
Jack is in the fortunate position of having a supportive employer
Some in his circumstances are not so fortunate
So that is a small win - not that he may currently recognise it
Grundy is just too mobile for Longer - in fact every other ruckman in the competition is
So we have exclusive reliance on Marshall
It is a case of who lends support - because Bruce is our only other tall and without him in attack we have no forward target (with all respect to Membrey but he needs the right opponent as in out marking Hurn)
Neither Battle nor Brown are rucking options
So who is left?
This is where our unavailable list including Carlisle and Mc Cartin really hurts
It means we have no options - no flexibility
In regards Phillips he got his hands on it - but was unable to use it to any advantage and, indeed, to our disadvantage
Long and Parker were poor. As was Newnes and as was Ross because he lacked what Dunstan bought to the contest - then there was his disposal (given he runs and bounces why no impact on the scoreboard - ever?)
So we continue to turn players looking for the next Marshall, Wilkie, Battle and Paton
Joyce is the interesting one to me and I would be giving him a run at it - with Brown in the side
He has the pace to play on tall and short - and his run and disposal are promising
Could be another Max H - but quicker
The player we really miss is Number 3 - so we trust he is in the position to expand his focus from what is absolutely important to him and us correctly all consuming to also include a commitment to the footy club and playing footy
Every day you get a bit stronger so the day will come at the right time for Jack and those who rely on him
Jack is in the fortunate position of having a supportive employer
Some in his circumstances are not so fortunate
So that is a small win - not that he may currently recognise it
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Re: Changes v Pies
Opinions, everyone's got one.To the top wrote: ↑Mon 13 May 2019 9:12pm To consider playing Longer is to gift Grundy a BOG in a dominant game
Grundy is just too mobile for Longer - in fact every other ruckman in the competition is
So we have exclusive reliance on Marshall
It is a case of who lends support - because Bruce is our only other tall and without him in attack we have no forward target (with all respect to Membrey but he needs the right opponent as in out marking Hurn)
Neither Battle nor Brown are rucking options
So who is left?
This is where our unavailable list including Carlisle and Mc Cartin really hurts
It means we have no options - no flexibility
In regards Phillips he got his hands on it - but was unable to use it to any advantage and, indeed, to our disadvantage
Long and Parker were poor. As was Newnes and as was Ross because he lacked what Dunstan bought to the contest - then there was his disposal (given he runs and bounces why no impact on the scoreboard - ever?)
So we continue to turn players looking for the next Marshall, Wilkie, Battle and Paton
Joyce is the interesting one to me and I would be giving him a run at it - with Brown in the side
He has the pace to play on tall and short - and his run and disposal are promising
Could be another Max H - but quicker
The player we really miss is Number 3 - so we trust he is in the position to expand his focus from what is absolutely important to him and us correctly all consuming to also include a commitment to the footy club and playing footy
Every day you get a bit stronger so the day will come at the right time for Jack and those who rely on him
Jack is in the fortunate position of having a supportive employer
Some in his circumstances are not so fortunate
So that is a small win - not that he may currently recognise it
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Re: Changes v Pies
From actually seeing the Sandy game it would have to be Young. We need some one who can hit the score board at that is Young.
Hind is not far away but I think we need a forward more than a back.
Also Hunter was really good but Id give him more time to really get his confidence up.
Sad thing is that Coffield played and I didn't notice him at all
Hind is not far away but I think we need a forward more than a back.
Also Hunter was really good but Id give him more time to really get his confidence up.
Sad thing is that Coffield played and I didn't notice him at all
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Re: Changes v Pies
That is sad no.7 pick & struggling at VFL levelDJ Higgins wrote: ↑Mon 13 May 2019 9:26pm From actually seeing the Sandy game it would have to be Young. We need some one who can hit the score board at that is Young.
Hind is not far away but I think we need a forward more than a back.
Also Hunter was really good but Id give him more time to really get his confidence up.
Sad thing is that Coffield played and I didn't notice him at all
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Re: Changes v Pies
Out Long - In Longer
Put the knee into Grundy at every opportunity - they can take it turns
Marsh in for Newnes (unless Parker needs a rest) - play him on the wing
Put the knee into Grundy at every opportunity - they can take it turns
Marsh in for Newnes (unless Parker needs a rest) - play him on the wing
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Re: Changes v Pies
Clearly didn’t watch the game at all, Phillips was very good for his first game back
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Re: Changes v Pies
Out: Long & Newnes
In : Longer and Hind
I agree with an earlier post, start Marshall forward and let Billy jump in and hurt Grundy.
Billy can just stand at full forward and bring the ball to the ground for Kent, Billings and Gresh to feed off when he needs a rest.
In : Longer and Hind
I agree with an earlier post, start Marshall forward and let Billy jump in and hurt Grundy.
Billy can just stand at full forward and bring the ball to the ground for Kent, Billings and Gresh to feed off when he needs a rest.
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Re: Changes v Pies
Wouldn't it be fxxxing hilarious if we have our biggest bloke on the ground paroling deep forward and the team start lowering their eyes and doing dinky kicks for the small forwards to mark. That'll be ok if they're leading and if it works, but when Marshall is down there, you have to just send the footy up high to his advantage and let him do the rest.saintbob wrote: ↑Tue 14 May 2019 1:46am Out: Long & Newnes
In : Longer and Hind
I agree with an earlier post, start Marshall forward and let Billy jump in and hurt Grundy.
Billy can just stand at full forward and bring the ball to the ground for Kent, Billings and Gresh to feed off when he needs a rest.
Same if Longer gets an opportunity and he's rested forward at any stage. Bomb it high and instruct Billy to compete with Kent, Gresh and Ross eating the crumbs
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Re: Changes v Pies
Agree with you there, only concern I have is that Marshall is not the best mark overhead, however will at least half the contest and bring to ground.Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 14 May 2019 1:41pmWouldn't it be fxxxing hilarious if we have our biggest bloke on the ground paroling deep forward and the team start lowering their eyes and doing dinky kicks for the small forwards to mark. That'll be ok if they're leading and if it works, but when Marshall is down there, you have to just send the footy up high to his advantage and let him do the rest.saintbob wrote: ↑Tue 14 May 2019 1:46am Out: Long & Newnes
In : Longer and Hind
I agree with an earlier post, start Marshall forward and let Billy jump in and hurt Grundy.
Billy can just stand at full forward and bring the ball to the ground for Kent, Billings and Gresh to feed off when he needs a rest.
Same if Longer gets an opportunity and he's rested forward at any stage. Bomb it high and instruct Billy to compete with Kent, Gresh and Ross eating the crumbs
He has a 'very interesting' overhead marking style if you look closely. Sometimes just extends his arms and hopes for the best.
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Re: Changes v Pies
Next you'll be saying he shuts his eyes when he goes up for a grab and yells 'boo' to his opponents
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Re: Changes v Pies
Hah?
I was making a point, watch him closely if you don't believe me.
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Re: Changes v Pies
Most times he is scragged, arms held, opponents hands over his neck and over his shoulders and yet he takes good contested marks
Watch him closely when he takes marks uncontested and they won't look as bad
Watch him closely when he takes marks uncontested and they won't look as bad
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Re: Changes v Pies
Elliott out (hamstring), Cox still in doubt, will impact out thinking on ruck options.
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