Its obvious, he's a ruckman and a potentially a very good one. He just needs to learn the craft and build his tank.
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interesting dilemma for next week. Hawks play McEvoy & Ceglar
Rowan needs a chopout so do we play Pierce?
I cringe every time with throw Bruce into the ruck. I think he does too
Even worse Acres into the ruck
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Hasn't set the world on fire, has he?bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
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Yeah really missing him, not, $600k a year off our books has allowed us to keep decent players!!!!!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
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Yeah, I’m not sold on Kent so far either. But Battle has been really good as a defender and i suspect that is where he will stay.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pm The trouble with playing 2 rucks is that we will lose our forward defensive pressure which has been awesome. We cannot do it.
Battle could go forward (in place of Kent) without diminishing our forward pressure. I'd do that and bring Joyce in to play back.
Marshall is mobile enough to provide defensive pressure if he rests forward.
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If they were really paying him $600k then I think our list manager is the one that needs to be moved on.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:55pmYeah really missing him, not, $600k a year off our books has allowed us to keep decent players!!!!!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
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We won’t ever agree on Longer v Hickey but geeeeeeez $600k is warped if true
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whiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:53pmHasn't set the world on fire, has he?bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
Well he’s holding down a spot in the ruck for the reigning premier. I think he’s doing okay
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Nah, he hasn't got the speed and running power of the others in there.bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:58pmYeah, I’m not sold on Kent so far either. But Battle has been really good as a defender and i suspect that is where he will stay.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pm The trouble with playing 2 rucks is that we will lose our forward defensive pressure which has been awesome. We cannot do it.
Battle could go forward (in place of Kent) without diminishing our forward pressure. I'd do that and bring Joyce in to play back.
Marshall is mobile enough to provide defensive pressure if he rests forward.
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Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 11:06pmNah, he hasn't got the speed and running power of the others in there.bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:58pmYeah, I’m not sold on Kent so far either. But Battle has been really good as a defender and i suspect that is where he will stay.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pm The trouble with playing 2 rucks is that we will lose our forward defensive pressure which has been awesome. We cannot do it.
Battle could go forward (in place of Kent) without diminishing our forward pressure. I'd do that and bring Joyce in to play back.
Marshall is mobile enough to provide defensive pressure if he rests forward.
I’d dispute that, but in any case look at the positives. He’s a good mark and if the opposition don’t have a good player on him, he’ll do some damage up forward. We could have done with an extra marking target in that last quarter today.
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Marsh in and Battle goes forward.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pm The trouble with playing 2 rucks is that we will lose our forward defensive pressure which has been awesome. We cannot do it.
Battle could go forward (in place of Kent) without diminishing our forward pressure. I'd do that and bring Joyce in to play back.
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It's true!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:58pmIf they were really paying him $600k then I think our list manager is the one that needs to be moved on.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:55pmYeah really missing him, not, $600k a year off our books has allowed us to keep decent players!!!!!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
Tom Hickey should live in Thorpy!!!!!
We won’t ever agree on Longer v Hickey but geeeeeeez $600k is warped if true
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I am the opposite. If you want two rucks it sacrifices a mid.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:40pmI think just about everyone but our coaches can see the need for a second genuine ruck in the team.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:38pmBingo, he's first half was good, then really tired!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:33pm I still think that for the time being Marshall should start as a forward and alternate in the ruck with one of Pierce / Longer.
He’s the only guy on the list that can play both positions and with Paddy down we’re short a key forward.
Certainly this idea is a step up from a Bruce / Acres playing relief ruck.
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where is Thorpy,stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:55pmYeah really missing him, not, $600k a year off our books has allowed us to keep decent players!!!!!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:51pmAnd Hickeywhiskers3614 wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:47pm Whole ruck situation is aggravated when you see how well Big Ben and Stanley are doing at their new homes!
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Funny thing is that if Paddy was fit we would play 3 talls. Roma can play forward and he also tackles and he can play ruck leaving Bruce at home - no brainer really.Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 12:47amI am the opposite. If you want two rucks it sacrifices a mid.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:40pmI think just about everyone but our coaches can see the need for a second genuine ruck in the team.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:38pmBingo, he's first half was good, then really tired!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:33pm I still think that for the time being Marshall should start as a forward and alternate in the ruck with one of Pierce / Longer.
He’s the only guy on the list that can play both positions and with Paddy down we’re short a key forward.
Certainly this idea is a step up from a Bruce / Acres playing relief ruck.
Pretty sure that will be our preferred option, but just not with Pierce as first ruck. I think Billy comes in when they think he is ready and the rest is up to him.
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Desperate to try us with a genuine ruck and use Roma wherever needed around the ground. He's got enormous endurance, is a beautiful kick for goal and has taken some pretty handy marks around the ground. We're moving the ball better by foot this year and I'd like to see the 2 ruck option
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The Age this morning. Marshall has been good, but imo we need to add Billy, even this week with Hawks having two rucks, but he may not be ready.
"Wait a little Longer
Despite winning their two opening games, St Kilda took a battering in the ruck. They went in to Sunday’s game on the wrong side of a 57-101 hit-out ledger.
Some support was on its way, in the form of Billy Longer, who returned to the VFL on Friday night after a hamstring injury sustained over summer.
And he was good too, with 47 hit-outs and 13 touches in Sandringham’s loss to Footscray.
But the Saints may be able to give Longer more time in the seconds before returning him to AFL action. Rowan Marshall was terrific against the Dockers Rory Lobb."
"Wait a little Longer
Despite winning their two opening games, St Kilda took a battering in the ruck. They went in to Sunday’s game on the wrong side of a 57-101 hit-out ledger.
Some support was on its way, in the form of Billy Longer, who returned to the VFL on Friday night after a hamstring injury sustained over summer.
And he was good too, with 47 hit-outs and 13 touches in Sandringham’s loss to Footscray.
But the Saints may be able to give Longer more time in the seconds before returning him to AFL action. Rowan Marshall was terrific against the Dockers Rory Lobb."
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Max King will be our 2nd ruck option later half of this year.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 6:54amFunny thing is that if Paddy was fit we would play 3 talls. Roma can play forward and he also tackles and he can play ruck leaving Bruce at home - no brainer really.Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 12:47amI am the opposite. If you want two rucks it sacrifices a mid.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:40pmI think just about everyone but our coaches can see the need for a second genuine ruck in the team.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:38pmBingo, he's first half was good, then really tired!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:33pm I still think that for the time being Marshall should start as a forward and alternate in the ruck with one of Pierce / Longer.
He’s the only guy on the list that can play both positions and with Paddy down we’re short a key forward.
Certainly this idea is a step up from a Bruce / Acres playing relief ruck.
Pretty sure that will be our preferred option, but just not with Pierce as first ruck. I think Billy comes in when they think he is ready and the rest is up to him.
There is no position for Roma as a key forward when Max starts playing. Roma needs to be played as ruck to learn the game and he is doing really well. He is elite.
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Whilst that's hopefully the script, Max hasnt played AFL or VFL and at this stage is another big kid that dominated junior footy. I hope they dont rush him, in fact would be happy to see him just play VFL this yearShaggy wrote: ↑Tue 09 Apr 2019 4:21amMax King will be our 2nd ruck option later half of this year.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 6:54amFunny thing is that if Paddy was fit we would play 3 talls. Roma can play forward and he also tackles and he can play ruck leaving Bruce at home - no brainer really.Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 12:47amI am the opposite. If you want two rucks it sacrifices a mid.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:40pmI think just about everyone but our coaches can see the need for a second genuine ruck in the team.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:38pmBingo, he's first half was good, then really tired!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:33pm I still think that for the time being Marshall should start as a forward and alternate in the ruck with one of Pierce / Longer.
He’s the only guy on the list that can play both positions and with Paddy down we’re short a key forward.
Certainly this idea is a step up from a Bruce / Acres playing relief ruck.
Pretty sure that will be our preferred option, but just not with Pierce as first ruck. I think Billy comes in when they think he is ready and the rest is up to him.
There is no position for Roma as a key forward when Max starts playing. Roma needs to be played as ruck to learn the game and he is doing really well. He is elite.
in the mean time we have to pick a winning team for each week of 2019. Marshall is certainly flying, but his tap work is not where it needs to be just yet, and we do need to play two ruckman. He can still develop his ruck craft with say 30% ruck time each game. Would rather that than using Bruce and Acres.
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Max King is not ready to play ruck for any % of time, he won't have even played a game at any level for 18months, by the time he finally comes back, is not a ruckman (don't be fooled by he's size), is coming off an ACL injury and most importantly has an underdeveloped body!!!!! It would be crazy to even look at playing him in that position at this point!!!!!Shaggy wrote: ↑Tue 09 Apr 2019 4:21amMax King will be our 2nd ruck option later half of this year.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 6:54amFunny thing is that if Paddy was fit we would play 3 talls. Roma can play forward and he also tackles and he can play ruck leaving Bruce at home - no brainer really.Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon 08 Apr 2019 12:47amI am the opposite. If you want two rucks it sacrifices a mid.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:40pmI think just about everyone but our coaches can see the need for a second genuine ruck in the team.stonecold wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:38pmBingo, he's first half was good, then really tired!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr 2019 10:33pm I still think that for the time being Marshall should start as a forward and alternate in the ruck with one of Pierce / Longer.
He’s the only guy on the list that can play both positions and with Paddy down we’re short a key forward.
Certainly this idea is a step up from a Bruce / Acres playing relief ruck.
Pretty sure that will be our preferred option, but just not with Pierce as first ruck. I think Billy comes in when they think he is ready and the rest is up to him.
There is no position for Roma as a key forward when Max starts playing. Roma needs to be played as ruck to learn the game and he is doing really well. He is elite.
No offence intended Shag's, but your theory has no merit!!!!!
Pierce or Longer will be required to give Marshall a spell at some point when he's body starts getting smashed around, which will be very soon as he is still very lightly framed!!!!!
Mark my words, Marshall will be 'managed' in the next few weeks at some point!!!!!
Longer or Pierce will come in depending on who is in better form of the two, which after Friday is Billy at the minute, however, that could change!!!!!
Max King is not a ruck option this season, full stop!!!!!
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I was rapt with Marshall's game yesterday, but disappointed with his last contest of the day. With 8 sec to go we really needed to win the clearance out of the centre. He taps the ball into an area where literally no saints players were and 2 x Freo guys run onto it and pound the ball fwd. Game over.
This aside we definitely need to get the kid some assistance. Bruce is ineffective as a ruckman and it hurts our fwd line when he has to go in there. Really makes no sense at all.
This aside we definitely need to get the kid some assistance. Bruce is ineffective as a ruckman and it hurts our fwd line when he has to go in there. Really makes no sense at all.
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6 kicks
7 handballs
0 marks
1 tackle
47 hit outs
In a side that was thrashed - despite a ruck “dominance”
We should have beaten Hawthorn late last season
Hawthorn rely on possession, players running from behind into space and numbers around the contest then chipping short to open up their opponent
We had them playing ring a rosy last year - but unable to score
Against such an opponent (and I would say any opponent) you can just not have a player who lacks mobility and can not impact on a game (and if Longer is so dominant in the hit outs, putting the ball down the throats of our mids why our win/loss record - simply as much as Longer brings is to contest hit outs and past that a liability - imagine throwing him forward v Hawthorn, they will run off him and set up scoring at will
Longer is one dimensional - and that is the problem
Past that, some seem attracted to goals being kicked as the measure and not the build up
So kicking 2 goals in a VFL thrashing = promotion
No
There is far, far more to assess than the goal kickers - and to me Long dines out on one goal So has a long (excuse the pun) way to go
Battle will stay in defence
I am reminded of Carlisle rucking v Melbourne in the game we won late last year and doing very well
Mc Cartin is missed because he releases Membrey to the third “tall” noting Membrey is mid fielder size
So Steven if available for Sinclair
The VFL result indicates no pressure from the lesser level
7 handballs
0 marks
1 tackle
47 hit outs
In a side that was thrashed - despite a ruck “dominance”
We should have beaten Hawthorn late last season
Hawthorn rely on possession, players running from behind into space and numbers around the contest then chipping short to open up their opponent
We had them playing ring a rosy last year - but unable to score
Against such an opponent (and I would say any opponent) you can just not have a player who lacks mobility and can not impact on a game (and if Longer is so dominant in the hit outs, putting the ball down the throats of our mids why our win/loss record - simply as much as Longer brings is to contest hit outs and past that a liability - imagine throwing him forward v Hawthorn, they will run off him and set up scoring at will
Longer is one dimensional - and that is the problem
Past that, some seem attracted to goals being kicked as the measure and not the build up
So kicking 2 goals in a VFL thrashing = promotion
No
There is far, far more to assess than the goal kickers - and to me Long dines out on one goal So has a long (excuse the pun) way to go
Battle will stay in defence
I am reminded of Carlisle rucking v Melbourne in the game we won late last year and doing very well
Mc Cartin is missed because he releases Membrey to the third “tall” noting Membrey is mid fielder size
So Steven if available for Sinclair
The VFL result indicates no pressure from the lesser level
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All your opinion of course!!!!!To the top wrote: ↑Tue 09 Apr 2019 11:14am 6 kicks
7 handballs
0 marks
1 tackle
47 hit outs
In a side that was thrashed - despite a ruck “dominance”
We should have beaten Hawthorn late last season
Hawthorn rely on possession, players running from behind into space and numbers around the contest then chipping short to open up their opponent
We had them playing ring a rosy last year - but unable to score
Against such an opponent (and I would say any opponent) you can just not have a player who lacks mobility and can not impact on a game (and if Longer is so dominant in the hit outs, putting the ball down the throats of our mids why our win/loss record - simply as much as Longer brings is to contest hit outs and past that a liability - imagine throwing him forward v Hawthorn, they will run off him and set up scoring at will
Longer is one dimensional - and that is the problem
Past that, some seem attracted to goals being kicked as the measure and not the build up
So kicking 2 goals in a VFL thrashing = promotion
No
There is far, far more to assess than the goal kickers - and to me Long dines out on one goal So has a long (excuse the pun) way to go
Battle will stay in defence
I am reminded of Carlisle rucking v Melbourne in the game we won late last year and doing very well
Mc Cartin is missed because he releases Membrey to the third “tall” noting Membrey is mid fielder size
So Steven if available for Sinclair
The VFL result indicates no pressure from the lesser level
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