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Re: Hickey replacement?
He's actually a nice kick but prefers to handball. Can take a mark but prefers to bring it to ground. Think we will see an improvement next season.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
Also think Marshall can develop into areally mobile ruckman. Rule changes next year could help both big men
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Re: Hickey replacement?
I think I would be getting Marshall, Pierce and Longer down to a good running coach over summer, followed by some work with a ballet teacher for a bit of flexibility. These guys move like treacle at best.
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not a bad idea, i look forward to seeing pics of the boys weary tutu's , or in their case four fours
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Re: Hickey replacement?
When are Gawn and Grundy going to cotton on to this successful strategy?
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Re: Hickey replacement?
i see what you did there! I think Billy has to kick more and take more marks, i hope thats where he improves next year. Gawn and Grundy in particular move more like midfielders but there is still a place in the game for the larger less mobile types like Goldstein,nankervis, Sandy. I hope we see Marshall develop into a more mobile ruck type so we have a point of difference to deal with the likely rule changes. THought it was interesting to see Preuss nominate Melbourne, makes me think the Dees will play two rucks next year, bit like WCE did.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 10:19amWhen are Gawn and Grundy going to cotton on to this successful strategy?
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If he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
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Re: Hickey replacement?
He was crippled this year, so need to judge him when he is fit. i think we'll see an improved playerSydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:07amIf he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
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Re: Hickey replacement?
Didn't he have a clean bill of health before he got slaughtered by Martin in round 1? Anyway, I hope you're right and Longer can at least return to his 2017 form and build from there.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:14amHe was crippled this year, so need to judge him when he is fit. i think we'll see an improved playerSydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:07amIf he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
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Re: Hickey replacement?
agree with this. It would mean we don't have to recontract Longer, we can use Marshall as a forward and ruck can be Pruess (number 1) and Pierce (2). Preuss and Pierce. got a good ring to it.
Has Preuss actually nominated Melbourne or is that just the word in the media?
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Hopefully, add in our injured players from 2018 - Long, Bruce, Roberton as well as another pre-season in Coff/Clarke and a number 4 draft pick.
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Preuss is going to Melb!!!!!
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Re: Hickey replacement?
fair enough - that's why I asked if it was fait accompli or a chance we could get in there with something interesting. Can't see the attraction of going from #2 ruck at one club to #2 ruck at another.
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Nah, he shouldnt have played round one. 2019 is up to him and how much he wants it. I see Marshall passing him if he's not careful.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:30amDidn't he have a clean bill of health before he got slaughtered by Martin in round 1? Anyway, I hope you're right and Longer can at least return to his 2017 form and build from there.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:14amHe was crippled this year, so need to judge him when he is fit. i think we'll see an improved playerSydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:07amJacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
If he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.
Preuss is Melbourne bound, anyway no more talk of rucks - i want fast mids!
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Re: Hickey replacement?
And his numbers at VFL level this year suggest that he's no better or worse than Lewis Pierce. Also, he's not treacle slow, he's glacial slow.
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Re: Hickey replacement?
Preuss has already been traded to the Demons.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 2:01pmAnd his numbers at VFL level this year suggest that he's no better or worse than Lewis Pierce. Also, he's not treacle slow, he's glacial slow.
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See I don’t get this... not a knock on Billy but if he “shouldn’t have played in round 1”, why did he play ahead of Hickey, Marshall and Pierce as a sole ruck without a back upCrossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 12:59pmNah, he shouldnt have played round one. 2019 is up to him and how much he wants it. I see Marshall passing him if he's not careful.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:30amDidn't he have a clean bill of health before he got slaughtered by Martin in round 1? Anyway, I hope you're right and Longer can at least return to his 2017 form and build from there.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:14amHe was crippled this year, so need to judge him when he is fit. i think we'll see an improved playerSydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:07amJacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
If he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.
Preuss is Melbourne bound, anyway no more talk of rucks - i want fast mids!
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That's correct, cause 'Stonecold and Simon' said so!!!!!
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Re: Hickey replacement?
Billy is very ordinary & has never shown anything I hoped for a couple of years that he was going to be our premier ruckman but does nothing around the ground & is no good forward not to mention his iffy marking !
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I agree, Hickey should have played . Pierce wasnt even on the radar and Marshall was probably too green at the stage.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 2:53pmSee I don’t get this... not a knock on Billy but if he “shouldn’t have played in round 1”, why did he play ahead of Hickey, Marshall and Pierce as a sole ruck without a back upCrossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 12:59pmNah, he shouldnt have played round one. 2019 is up to him and how much he wants it. I see Marshall passing him if he's not careful.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:30amDidn't he have a clean bill of health before he got slaughtered by Martin in round 1? Anyway, I hope you're right and Longer can at least return to his 2017 form and build from there.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:14amHe was crippled this year, so need to judge him when he is fit. i think we'll see an improved playerSydneySainter wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:07amJacks Back wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:49pmHe can't mark, can't kick, doesn't get it but he's strong in the contest I suppose.Crossy66 wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:34pmI saw a bit of him early days in Brisbane, looked like he could be anything. Maybe it clouds my judgement but he does have the tools to be a great player if he wants it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:30pm Longer will be better next year with hopefully a full and injury free preseason under his belt, whether that's good enough remains to be seen. He was very good as a young buck in 2015.![]()
If he's matches against Martin and Gawn are anything to go by, he's not even that strong. Isn't his strength is willingness to TRY to compete? Very St. Kilda mantra at the moment - as long as they're willing to give it a crack.
Preuss is Melbourne bound, anyway no more talk of rucks - i want fast mids!
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Next time we play the Weagles, Billy will be telling Love Bite to look at the scoreboard!!
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looking forward to WCE v saints next year! might create a SS meltdown!Sainternist wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 4:35pm Next time we play the Weagles, Billy will be telling Love Bite to look at the scoreboard!!
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It always does when we play them in Perth and get bent over and rogered by the umpires pandering to the Weagles crowd.
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Re: Hickey replacement?
I still dont get it - thought he was up and about in the preseason and Longer played the first two games - got towelled by Martin and then injured in rnd 2
Marshall was selected for rnd 3 - so Hickey didnt get a game until rnd4
Anyway on to 2019 where the modern game requires a constant rotation of on-ballers with a ruck that contributes and that can rest forward and be a goal threat - that is now the MODERN standard nothing less.
And if a ruck can only contribute for 70-80% of game time then your second ruck must also be competitive ( and thats not Bruce or Acres Richo)
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I think marshall will be important next year.sunsaint wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 5:19pmI still dont get it - thought he was up and about in the preseason and Longer played the first two games - got towelled by Martin and then injured in rnd 2
Marshall was selected for rnd 3 - so Hickey didnt get a game until rnd4
Anyway on to 2019 where the modern game requires a constant rotation of on-ballers with a ruck that contributes and that can rest forward and be a goal threat - that is now the MODERN standard nothing less.
And if a ruck can only contribute for 70-80% of game time then your second ruck must also be competitive ( and thats not Bruce or Acres Richo)
I think the game is about to change again with the new rules and big guys might be back in vogue. Just not sure how coaches will approach the 6, 6,6