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Yeah. So?
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All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop
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More trades. A horse. Cold and windy. 8, 11, 25, 33, 34 and 40.
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Shiel is getting less at Essendon, but I bet his parents will be soon living in a lovely new mansion. Essendon playing by the rule book? Pfft... give me a break
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They’ve already got one exciting trade under their belt and very nearly got Gaff.
That’s a bit more than giving it a decent crack.
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Some worrying early signs from Gags and Lethers.Rocket wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 10:15am The part I don’t get ...
- we need another quality key defender. No attempts to get Langdon or Adams ? Langdon was amazing during finals and would be a good get; we have cash right ? How does Sydney lead this discussion ?
- we lack speed. Kent is Mav like, where is our crack at line breaker. No talk of Hall and little on Gaff pre Eagles signature. Why were North the front runnner.
- we have cash and lack class. Make it happen.
I hope there are surprises in the pipe to help deal with shortfalls... and we aren’t backing on same old same.
I was a little surprised they didn’t keep Hugh Goddard for 1 more year considering Brown has reached his use-by date, they delisted Gilbo, Robbo can’t play as a tall (and we don’t exactly know if his ticker will play up again), and we aren’t flush with tall defenders. I would have thought 1 more year as insurance would have been prudent from the list manager.
I can only assume Gags and Lethers signed off on the Hickey deal which is frightening. Pick 39 for a contracted player who was arguably at least our equal number 1 ruckman. Barely a pass mark I would have thought - unless of course the Swans accept it for Hanners - which I doubt. Then we shoot ourselves in the foot even further by downgrading our 4th round pick next year by about 15 spots. Why do that ?. Shop him around , another club would have given us a pick aroond 39 give or take , without the extra hit.
And it smells a lot like we are taking the big injured fella King with pick 4 rather than a classy mid which we are screaming for. Mesmerised by Mason, it’s the Paddy v Petracca nightmare trap we are falling for again.
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I will wait until the end of the trade period before I make a proper assessment but have to say so far it has been very disappointing IMO. Lets hope we can get something happening in the last bit .
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I’m happy if we add Kent Hannerbery and pick 4.
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Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
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Hannebery and Kent are both really good pick ups.evo wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:52pm Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
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So, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????evo wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:52pm Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
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The trade period hasn't even finished.
Posters that have admitted they were wrong about Hanna's gastro and the club didn't create a cover story.
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No fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !stonecold wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 10:06pmSo, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????evo wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:52pm Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
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Yep, it could be North Melbourne of 1975 all over again...or Port Adelaide of 2018.
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This.Flagless wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 2:23pm All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop
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Let's see if anyone picks up Hugh GoddardZed wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 8:05pmSome worrying early signs from Gags and Lethers.Rocket wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 10:15am The part I don’t get ...
- we need another quality key defender. No attempts to get Langdon or Adams ? Langdon was amazing during finals and would be a good get; we have cash right ? How does Sydney lead this discussion ?
- we lack speed. Kent is Mav like, where is our crack at line breaker. No talk of Hall and little on Gaff pre Eagles signature. Why were North the front runnner.
- we have cash and lack class. Make it happen.
I hope there are surprises in the pipe to help deal with shortfalls... and we aren’t backing on same old same.
I was a little surprised they didn’t keep Hugh Goddard for 1 more year considering Brown has reached his use-by date, they delisted Gilbo, Robbo can’t play as a tall (and we don’t exactly know if his ticker will play up again), and we aren’t flush with tall defenders. I would have thought 1 more year as insurance would have been prudent from the list manager.
I can only assume Gags and Lethers signed off on the Hickey deal which is frightening. Pick 39 for a contracted player who was arguably at least our equal number 1 ruckman. Barely a pass mark I would have thought - unless of course the Swans accept it for Hanners - which I doubt. Then we shoot ourselves in the foot even further by downgrading our 4th round pick next year by about 15 spots. Why do that ?. Shop him around , another club would have given us a pick aroond 39 give or take , without the extra hit.
And it smells a lot like we are taking the big injured fella King with pick 4 rather than a classy mid which we are screaming for. Mesmerised by Mason, it’s the Paddy v Petracca nightmare trap we are falling for again.
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I thought Roo was on a modified program for years...not that he didn't train, of course. He'd be an absolute model of professionalism and passion though, I agree. I find it hard to think as soon as he was out the door everyone sighed in relief and went back to turning up to training in ugg boots and eating buckets of KFC though...there's bigger issues at the club if that's the case.iwantmeseats wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 9:03amThis.Flagless wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 2:23pm All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
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oh noiwantmeseats wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 9:03amThis.Flagless wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 2:23pm All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop
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You are spot on, on recent form (past 2 years) he is no better- what they see in him is absolutely mesmerizing. Not one noted football scribe thinks it is a good idea but because he is an old friend of Lethleans the saints have blindly gone after him- it takes the club backwards- if that's possibleevo wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 3:56amNo fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !stonecold wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 10:06pmSo, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????evo wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:52pm Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
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Yeah, dunno. Leading by example isn't the only way - especially if the example you're setting is too high a bar for anyone else to reach. That's just demoralising - and demoralised is a fair description of what I saw this year.Flagless wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 2:23pm All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop
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So who pays and how does this all work?
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What they see in him is a player who while is already past his prime, used to be elite and therefore probably gettable.Flagless wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:27amYou are spot on, on recent form (past 2 years) he is no better- what they see in him is absolutely mesmerizing. Not one noted football scribe thinks it is a good idea but because he is an old friend of Lethleans the saints have blindly gone after him- it takes the club backwards- if that's possibleevo wrote: ↑Thu 11 Oct 2018 3:56amNo fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !stonecold wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 10:06pmSo, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????evo wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 9:52pm Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????
I don't think even the club is naive enough to think that Hanners will do much more than add depth to our midfield, which I'm sure he will, but anything beyond that is a bonus, assuming he can stay on the park for the duration of his 4 year contract.
If he was still in elite category, would the Swans be prepared to offload him? Would he even be interested in coming to us if he was still in the prime of his career. I think unlikely.
The club probably sees it as ticking several boxes. Getting a "name" player to the club, improving our list (even if only slightly) and being seen to be doing something.
IMO, it will take a LOT more than just Hannebery for the club to be walking the walk in regards to their declarations of being "aggressive" during the trade period.
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Hanners comes down to this. Was his huge drop off in form due to an injury that is yet to heal? If it is and it comes good then we have done well depending on the cost. If wecant then we got screwed. He was never fast which is bad for our club as we need pace but he was amazing at getting the ball and moving it on.
It's a mistake to get him imo but what can you do
It's a mistake to get him imo but what can you do