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St.Kilda Admin - I’m putting you on notice
It’s no secret that I’m not a Richo fan...
Don’t get me wrong, he seems like a decent guy but over the course of 2017 there were a number of very concerning traits evident in his coaching that were capped off by a dismal finish to the season.
Of the contract extension, I didn’t mind it too much at the time because my sense was that as long as he addressed some key concerns, we were sure to improve... this has been posted in one form or another year and a bit but here’s the summary of my concerns:
Definitively determine who number 1 ruck is and how to fit two ruckam into the team
Be consistent and impartial with selection - players earn opportunity, good form is rewarded, bad form is actioned
Stop playing players clearly hampered by injury
Have a plan B
Preference for blooding/developing young players opposed to persevering with underperforming vets
A mentally stronger team e.g. can bury teams when ahead, come back from deficits, turn momentum
Play balanced teams... not too slow... not too many negative players or contested ball winners with questionable disposal etc
Improvement in goal kicking
Evidence of players becoming more familiar with the structure e.g. moving the ball forward, not bombing in long to know one, defence zoning/set up
Less silly mistakes e.g. playing on without knowing what’s immediately in front of them, passing short to contests, 3 defenders going up for the contests
Suffice it to say that the outcome was worse than I ever imagined it to be. In all actuality, we failed on every single one of those counts with the most embarrassing being that Pierce played his first game of the season with about a month to go after both Hickey and Longer went down and pbly looked to be the best (potential based) primary ruck of the lot.
My preference was/is to have Richo sacked. It’s not going to happen and I expect that...
Furthermore, I respect the fact that he has one last opportunity to turn things around (and making the necessary changes) and that the board has identified he needs better support and acted accordingly.
Ratten, Lade and (to be announced) with a new recruiter / list manager.
It’s something.
There is a perception however that this board has a lot of problems, the chief of which is that they are not prepared to do what is in the best interests of the football club versus their own self-preservation e.g. Finnis won’t sack Richo due to the fear of being made to look foolish for extending his contract early and possibly unnecessarily.
There’s been backwards and forwards’ing Talk of the football review not being independent, not including the coach etc etc
There’s been a further sense that the current functioning is so bad that players out there want to avoid us like the plague (or the place dreams go to die) and that much of the talent we have amassed wants out.
Lethelan (however you spell it), I have to say, I haven’t minded. He’s vowed to make some changes and is currently on the front foot and he’s made some.
He’s vocal out there in the media, he’s outlining what we’re doing and he’s made some pitches... the criticism here has been whether or not there has been real change versus the perception of shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. And make no mistake, this for me is the most dismal time I’ve witnessed in my time as a Saints supporter.
I was happier with Malcolm Blight attracting players to the club and not actually coaching
Whilst I wasn’t happy with Timid Tim... we only suffered through his reign for 1 season and a half before he quit to that was okay
Scott Watters... well at least he turned the list over and moved on players that weren’t part of the future
There has been some debate on this forum as of late about the idea of supporting the club unconditionally versus supporting the club to it’s demise and to a degree that’s where I’m at...
I cannot in all good consciousness sign up for my 23rd consecutive year to support a regime that is destroying the club that I love
HOWEVER...
The club has stated that they know this and has said that they will react and they’ve made some changes... and obviously one cannot be critical of their performance in a trade/draft period that hasn’t started yet. But to be honest:
Hannebery
Kent
Amon
Is not exactly what I had in mind.
Steven retired, we’ve cut the few gamers in Gilbert, Freeman, Wright, Goddard, Minchington, Connellan
This to me is the underperforming, seemingly not able to get up to the required standard group:
Hickey, Longer, Paddy, Armitage, Weller, Savage, Dunstan, Newnes, Weller, Sinclair, White, Rice, Lonie + Ross and Bruce to a lesser degree (both top 22 but not playing near their best often enough)...
I want to see some real movement in this group (obviously I’m not suggesting they all be axed as there is real talent there) and I want to see desirable, ready made talent walk through that door whether it be through free agent or trade...
And I damn well want to see an elite kid like Rankine drafted at pick 4. A midfielder with pace and skills to burn... and said kid better not be on his own. We need some quality mids NOW. Not in two years time... not when we’ve built up the war chest... NOW.
St.Kilda FC... You have a few months to demonstrate that:
a) You understand what the problems are and will make the necessary changes.
TELL ME YOU DON’T THINK WELLER IN THE POCKET OR SAV ON A HFF IS THE ANSWER
b) You have the skills, professionalism, contacts etc to actually make the changes that are required
You have this off-season to do it, and if you can’t, don’t won’t... I won’t be signing up again until you’re replaced by people that can do the job.
Don’t get me wrong, he seems like a decent guy but over the course of 2017 there were a number of very concerning traits evident in his coaching that were capped off by a dismal finish to the season.
Of the contract extension, I didn’t mind it too much at the time because my sense was that as long as he addressed some key concerns, we were sure to improve... this has been posted in one form or another year and a bit but here’s the summary of my concerns:
Definitively determine who number 1 ruck is and how to fit two ruckam into the team
Be consistent and impartial with selection - players earn opportunity, good form is rewarded, bad form is actioned
Stop playing players clearly hampered by injury
Have a plan B
Preference for blooding/developing young players opposed to persevering with underperforming vets
A mentally stronger team e.g. can bury teams when ahead, come back from deficits, turn momentum
Play balanced teams... not too slow... not too many negative players or contested ball winners with questionable disposal etc
Improvement in goal kicking
Evidence of players becoming more familiar with the structure e.g. moving the ball forward, not bombing in long to know one, defence zoning/set up
Less silly mistakes e.g. playing on without knowing what’s immediately in front of them, passing short to contests, 3 defenders going up for the contests
Suffice it to say that the outcome was worse than I ever imagined it to be. In all actuality, we failed on every single one of those counts with the most embarrassing being that Pierce played his first game of the season with about a month to go after both Hickey and Longer went down and pbly looked to be the best (potential based) primary ruck of the lot.
My preference was/is to have Richo sacked. It’s not going to happen and I expect that...
Furthermore, I respect the fact that he has one last opportunity to turn things around (and making the necessary changes) and that the board has identified he needs better support and acted accordingly.
Ratten, Lade and (to be announced) with a new recruiter / list manager.
It’s something.
There is a perception however that this board has a lot of problems, the chief of which is that they are not prepared to do what is in the best interests of the football club versus their own self-preservation e.g. Finnis won’t sack Richo due to the fear of being made to look foolish for extending his contract early and possibly unnecessarily.
There’s been backwards and forwards’ing Talk of the football review not being independent, not including the coach etc etc
There’s been a further sense that the current functioning is so bad that players out there want to avoid us like the plague (or the place dreams go to die) and that much of the talent we have amassed wants out.
Lethelan (however you spell it), I have to say, I haven’t minded. He’s vowed to make some changes and is currently on the front foot and he’s made some.
He’s vocal out there in the media, he’s outlining what we’re doing and he’s made some pitches... the criticism here has been whether or not there has been real change versus the perception of shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. And make no mistake, this for me is the most dismal time I’ve witnessed in my time as a Saints supporter.
I was happier with Malcolm Blight attracting players to the club and not actually coaching
Whilst I wasn’t happy with Timid Tim... we only suffered through his reign for 1 season and a half before he quit to that was okay
Scott Watters... well at least he turned the list over and moved on players that weren’t part of the future
There has been some debate on this forum as of late about the idea of supporting the club unconditionally versus supporting the club to it’s demise and to a degree that’s where I’m at...
I cannot in all good consciousness sign up for my 23rd consecutive year to support a regime that is destroying the club that I love
HOWEVER...
The club has stated that they know this and has said that they will react and they’ve made some changes... and obviously one cannot be critical of their performance in a trade/draft period that hasn’t started yet. But to be honest:
Hannebery
Kent
Amon
Is not exactly what I had in mind.
Steven retired, we’ve cut the few gamers in Gilbert, Freeman, Wright, Goddard, Minchington, Connellan
This to me is the underperforming, seemingly not able to get up to the required standard group:
Hickey, Longer, Paddy, Armitage, Weller, Savage, Dunstan, Newnes, Weller, Sinclair, White, Rice, Lonie + Ross and Bruce to a lesser degree (both top 22 but not playing near their best often enough)...
I want to see some real movement in this group (obviously I’m not suggesting they all be axed as there is real talent there) and I want to see desirable, ready made talent walk through that door whether it be through free agent or trade...
And I damn well want to see an elite kid like Rankine drafted at pick 4. A midfielder with pace and skills to burn... and said kid better not be on his own. We need some quality mids NOW. Not in two years time... not when we’ve built up the war chest... NOW.
St.Kilda FC... You have a few months to demonstrate that:
a) You understand what the problems are and will make the necessary changes.
TELL ME YOU DON’T THINK WELLER IN THE POCKET OR SAV ON A HFF IS THE ANSWER
b) You have the skills, professionalism, contacts etc to actually make the changes that are required
You have this off-season to do it, and if you can’t, don’t won’t... I won’t be signing up again until you’re replaced by people that can do the job.
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It's good to see you do actually have some self deprecating qualities and can actually poke fun at yourself. Thanks for lightening the mood.
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Can’t take it all too seriously
PS my money was on you to be the first responder
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I thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
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Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
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yes Cairny
thats my job
**** off
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Re: St.Kilda Admin - I’m putting you on notice
Let’s channel the Village People
Richo, Richo Man,
I wanna be a Richo man!!
Richo, Richo Man,
I wanna be a Richo man!!
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My apologies Skeptic, I've completely misread the intonation of your OP, you're being completely serious. I thought you were taking the p1ss.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:59amCairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
You probably need to ramp up a daily Richo rant instead of the bi weekly rant just so people don't misunderstand your point of view.
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It's TRUE, the board for the most dont give sh!t. Just fact. How do I know you say dumb fellow? The f@cking last 7 seasons! The last 5
Seasons have been the worst in 20 years. Even when we were Spooners we had hope with number 1-10 top picks not like our current number 1 that passes out everytime he looks into a slight breeze.
Seasons have been the worst in 20 years. Even when we were Spooners we had hope with number 1-10 top picks not like our current number 1 that passes out everytime he looks into a slight breeze.
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Harsh on Paddy he’s had rotten luck with concussions. I’d still take him over Petracca every day of the week.David-Lee wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 11:10am It's TRUE, the board for the most dont give sh!t. Just fact. How do I know you say dumb fellow? The f@cking last 7 seasons! The last 5
Seasons have been the worst in 20 years. Even when we were Spooners we had hope with number 1-10 top picks not like our current number 1 that passes out everytime he looks into a slight breeze.
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No doubt you’ll be on the front foot following me around whether I post about Richo or not... hopefully you’ll post about football soon though it’s pbly beneath you to do such things on a football forum.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:45amMy apologies Skeptic, I've completely misread the intonation of your OP, you're being completely serious. I thought you were taking the p1ss.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:59amCairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
You probably need to ramp up a daily Richo rant instead of the bi weekly rant just so people don't misunderstand your point of view.
Keep up the good fight... do me a favour though, if you have nothing to contribute which most of the time you don’t... can you just stop following me around. I’m not interested in trading barbs with you
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You keep posting about the same thing every few days which gets you a reaction so I assume you are after the attention. You even admit you thought you'd get a reaction from me when creating the OP.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 4:57pmNo doubt you’ll be on the front foot following me around whether I post about Richo or not... hopefully you’ll post about football soon though it’s pbly beneath you to do such things on a football forum.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:45amMy apologies Skeptic, I've completely misread the intonation of your OP, you're being completely serious. I thought you were taking the p1ss.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:59amCairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
You probably need to ramp up a daily Richo rant instead of the bi weekly rant just so people don't misunderstand your point of view.
Keep up the good fight... do me a favour though, if you have nothing to contribute which most of the time you don’t... can you just stop following me around. I’m not interested in trading barbs with you
BTW your posts come across as being mostly about your emotions and feelings which isn't footy related. Wasn't sure if you realised. But I like most of your footy stuff.
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Alright well can we clean this slate then..?Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 5:16pmYou keep posting about the same thing every few days which gets you a reaction so I assume you are after the attention. You even admit you thought you'd get a reaction from me when creating the OP.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 4:57pmNo doubt you’ll be on the front foot following me around whether I post about Richo or not... hopefully you’ll post about football soon though it’s pbly beneath you to do such things on a football forum.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:45amMy apologies Skeptic, I've completely misread the intonation of your OP, you're being completely serious. I thought you were taking the p1ss.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:59amCairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
You probably need to ramp up a daily Richo rant instead of the bi weekly rant just so people don't misunderstand your point of view.
Keep up the good fight... do me a favour though, if you have nothing to contribute which most of the time you don’t... can you just stop following me around. I’m not interested in trading barbs with you
BTW your posts come across as being mostly about your emotions and feelings which isn't footy related. Wasn't sure if you realised. But I like most of your footy stuff.
I’ll check my frustrations about the club as a whole at the door for a while if you stop busting my chops for what feels like (to me) every opportunity including non Richo related topics.
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Saintnickyroo wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 11:57amHarsh on Paddy he’s had rotten luck with concussions. I’d still take him over Petracca every day of the week.David-Lee wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 11:10am It's TRUE, the board for the most dont give sh!t. Just fact. How do I know you say dumb fellow? The f@cking last 7 seasons! The last 5
Seasons have been the worst in 20 years. Even when we were Spooners we had hope with number 1-10 top picks not like our current number 1 that passes out everytime he looks into a slight breeze.
Its harsh but true. We picked the wrong body type for a dominant forward we needed taller, leaner and a gut runner. It was hard for recruiters to tell because Paddy was so big early and used to dominate little lads.
But 5 yrs in and we are still trying to find someone to compare his poor development to hoping he will blossom like Hawkins.
But too many injuries and lack of ability to get separated from the modern tall fast slender defenders means he gets Mark's 45-60 from goal and he just isnt that guy. I would trade him but honestly, no one wants him. He will improve a bit. We have our Jack Watts now to suffer with for 5 more years until we trade him for a late round 3 pick.
But, IF I'm wrong I will have a meal for two with drinks on me waiting for you at the club....remind me, I never go back on my word but I have been wrong so you might a feed.
And I mean 50 goals a year not 25.
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McCartin plays his best football when he roams around the ground and is not confined to the goal square. He can probably become a big utility, if he improves his fitness.
I think it's about how to get the most out of him now that we've recruited him.
The St Kilda Admin is an idiocracy.
I think it's about how to get the most out of him now that we've recruited him.
The St Kilda Admin is an idiocracy.
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Ok let the peace talks begin and work towards denuclearisation of the coaching region. I'll be Donald and you be Kim Jong-un.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:13pmAlright well can we clean this slate then..?Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 5:16pmYou keep posting about the same thing every few days which gets you a reaction so I assume you are after the attention. You even admit you thought you'd get a reaction from me when creating the OP.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 4:57pmNo doubt you’ll be on the front foot following me around whether I post about Richo or not... hopefully you’ll post about football soon though it’s pbly beneath you to do such things on a football forum.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:45amMy apologies Skeptic, I've completely misread the intonation of your OP, you're being completely serious. I thought you were taking the p1ss.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 8:59amCairnsman wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 6:59amI thought you got the balance right, there was enough bait to draw me out with some laughter while at the same time questioning your mental stability.
I now quite look forward to your bi weekly light hearted Richo rants.
Yeeesh
You’re a very unpleasant guy aren’t you?
At least my posts are about football opposed to just following ppl around saying you’re wrong
You probably need to ramp up a daily Richo rant instead of the bi weekly rant just so people don't misunderstand your point of view.
Keep up the good fight... do me a favour though, if you have nothing to contribute which most of the time you don’t... can you just stop following me around. I’m not interested in trading barbs with you
BTW your posts come across as being mostly about your emotions and feelings which isn't footy related. Wasn't sure if you realised. But I like most of your footy stuff.
I’ll check my frustrations about the club as a whole at the door for a while if you stop busting my chops for what feels like (to me) every opportunity including non Richo related topics.
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Paddy would look like a much better prospect if he kicked the goals a game that he butchers terribly with his shots...samoht wrote: ↑Tue 09 Oct 2018 7:53am McCartin plays his best football when he roams around the ground and is not confined to the goal square. He can probably become a big utility, if he improves his fitness.
I think it's about how to get the most out of him now that we've recruited him.
The St Kilda Admin is an idiocracy.
Lovely field kick
Don’t know where these yips came from
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TLDR.
They don't care what you think.
They don't care what you think.
"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
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You can't have a large membership without sustained success
Posting 20 years of holey crap!