Crazy. We must hold out for pick #20.
Hickey gone?
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Re: Hickey gone?
Hickey isn’t worth Pick 20. Dream on!
Longer isn’t worth anything
Longer isn’t worth anything
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Re: Hickey gone?
I can't help thinking back 2 - 3 years ago when Hickey was vying with Gawn for best ruckman - his best is VERY good, he's good below his knees so he's almost that extra midfielder. All the noises I'm hearing suggest he'll go but I think we'll regret it. Will become a top ruckman at WCE.
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Re: Hickey gone?
It will be about pick 24 by the time the compos are included... Stanley went for 26 from memorysaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sat 06 Oct 2018 8:49pm Hickey isn’t worth Pick 20. Dream on!
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Re: Hickey gone?
Of course he will. They wouldn’t be stupid enough to move a player like Longer past him.silverhalo wrote: ↑Sat 06 Oct 2018 10:21pm I can't help thinking back 2 - 3 years ago when Hickey was vying with Gawn for best ruckman - his best is VERY good, he's good below his knees so he's almost that extra midfielder. All the noises I'm hearing suggest he'll go but I think we'll regret it. Will become a top ruckman at WCE.
Strong at the football? Yes? Can he get a kick? Hardly.
Dopey move and it speaks volumes of our inability to develop talent, which, btw, Hickey has.
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Re: Hickey gone?
Yes he is.
And ask yourself this - why would a club which has won two premierships in twelve years, plus finished runners up twice, be interested in him if he wasn't?
And I would prefer it if he stayed anyway.
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Re: Hickey gone?
I'm keen to toss Longer the 'get out' sign, and get Jordan Roughead as a defender/chopout in the ruck - giving Pierce the big job. Not against Mumford either. Roughhead IS a defender, so why he's being talked about as a ruckman, IDK.
We have to get some of GC's high picks, somehow, to either go for a Scully/Shiel deal, or load up on the big names in the draft. I'd throw McCartin on the table to do that... if that measn we can land Lukocious, giving us:
Lonie Bruce Long
Membry Battle Billings
as a forward line.
If J Steven wants to go, demand Kelly, who we ontrade to WCE in return for Gaff & first pick (they have no trade leverage), ontrade Gaff to NMF for their 1st and 2nd picks. Getting us a bunch of late 1st and 2nd round picks to trade with.
We have to get some of GC's high picks, somehow, to either go for a Scully/Shiel deal, or load up on the big names in the draft. I'd throw McCartin on the table to do that... if that measn we can land Lukocious, giving us:
Lonie Bruce Long
Membry Battle Billings
as a forward line.
If J Steven wants to go, demand Kelly, who we ontrade to WCE in return for Gaff & first pick (they have no trade leverage), ontrade Gaff to NMF for their 1st and 2nd picks. Getting us a bunch of late 1st and 2nd round picks to trade with.
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Re: Hickey gone?
Hickey is a band aid for WCE. They cannot or won't match the offer for Lycett because of additional payments for premiership players and what they'll have to pay Kelly. They have a structure, especially with Nic Nat sidelined, that calls for two ruckmen, worked a treat against the two best rucks in the comp. Hickey will get games with them in 2019 through circumstance. I imagine the quality of those will be good to begin with and then taper, seems to be Hickey's way.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sun 07 Oct 2018 6:25amYes he is.
And ask yourself this - why would a club which has won two premierships in twelve years, plus finished runners up twice, be interested in him if he wasn't?
And I would prefer it if he stayed anyway.
I've no doubt the WCE would prefer Lycett to stay.
If we get a 2nd rounder, fantastic. One club's band aid should not be our #1 choice. Fingers crossed for Marshall & Pierce.
If we can move Longer on, perhaps we look at Nicholls from GC & either a State League ruck. Such a pity Preuss wants to play 2nd fiddle to Gawn.
Things cannot stay the same and just because another club has a sniff at some of our players who have been dropped throughout our dismal season does not make them suddenly round 1 draft picks, just much needed currency.
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Re: Hickey gone?
It was Stanley and pick 60 (our fourth rounder) for Geelong’s pick 21, which we then used on Hugh Goddard.fugazi wrote: ↑Sat 06 Oct 2018 10:29pmIt will be about pick 24 by the time the compos are included... Stanley went for 26 from memorysaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sat 06 Oct 2018 8:49pm Hickey isn’t worth Pick 20. Dream on!
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Re: Hickey gone?
Even if Hickey goes we don't need another ruckman. Use the pick on a midfielder. If the club determines that they want another ruckman then grab one in the rookie draft. We need to stop wasting picks on ruckman.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sat 06 Oct 2018 1:45pm If Hickey goes, we would need to find another ruck.
Roughead maybe, but plenty of mature age rucks are out there in state leagues. Club is looking at a couple. Similar to how we got Marshall.
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Re: Hickey gone?
If Hickledik goes, we will be better off and West Coast will be worse off, simple!!!!!
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Re: Hickey gone?
I don't agree, I don't want to lose Hick but it's looking likely he will go. I just hope our 'brains' trust remembers how we got bent over in the Cripps deal by WCE and look to get a decent return on him.
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We might be better off as long as Lewis & Marshall are the first choice rucks and Longer is the insurance policy.
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Re: Hickey gone?
Totally agree the future is Peirce and Marshall, but wouldda preferred Hickey as insurance (if Longer wouldda gotten us the same pick as the Hick)
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Re: Hickey gone?
Take a 2nd rounder whether it be late or early it’s a win.. Hickey isn’t much and Pierce and Marshall have much better upside
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Agreed also. Problem being, Hickey’s better than an insurance policy, he’s a decent enough footballer to be in the best 22. Therefore, if he stayed, he would probably have to be first ruck and I just can’t see him getting better as long as he’s a Saint and as long as Richo is coach. New club is probably the best thing for him.
Longer, change of guernsey or not, I can’t see him improving, no matter where he goes.
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Re: Hickey gone?
Lewis Pierce has played 4 AFL games… in his last 2, he had 17 & 14 hitouts, 7 & 9 disposals, 0 & 2 marks.
Absolute delusions of grandeur to consider this guy a better option than Hickey at this stage.
Marshall looks promising, but looks more like a forward/ruck rather than a #1 ruckmen.
Absolute delusions of grandeur to consider this guy a better option than Hickey at this stage.
Marshall looks promising, but looks more like a forward/ruck rather than a #1 ruckmen.
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Re: Hickey gone?
AFL website reporting that Lobb has chosen Fremantle and will seek a deal to land there.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/w ... he-dockers
So that would perhaps increase the likelihood of Hickey finding his way to WCE.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/w ... he-dockers
So that would perhaps increase the likelihood of Hickey finding his way to WCE.
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Re: Hickey gone?
Sounds like it...it would probably be a two-way race between Hickey and Roughead, who most neutrals seem to see as same-same. We might hold the whip hand, but Roughy is a FA and may come cheaper, so if we push too hard Weagles may look elsewhere. From what I'm reading they may be set to gain some picks in the mid-high 20's from trades, I'd love one of them.st.byron wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 2:44pm AFL website reporting that Lobb has chosen Fremantle and will seek a deal to land there.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/w ... he-dockers
So that would perhaps increase the likelihood of Hickey finding his way to WCE.
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Re: Hickey gone?
That's true. Although it's likely we'll successfully manage to de-skill Pierce and Marshall to the point they're traded.mightysainters wrote: ↑Sun 07 Oct 2018 10:01pm Take a 2nd rounder whether it be late or early it’s a win.. Hickey isn’t much and Pierce and Marshall have much better upside
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Re: Hickey gone?
Both about the same age. (3 months apart). Hick 80 games, Roughead 140. If there’s no competition for Roughead, and WCE rate them similar, they hold the reins in negotiations.degruch wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 2:48pmSounds like it...it would probably be a two-way race between Hickey and Roughead, who most neutrals seem to see as same-same. We might hold the whip hand, but Roughy is a FA and may come cheaper, so if we push too hard Weagles may look elsewhere. From what I'm reading they may be set to gain some picks in the mid-high 20's from trades, I'd love one of them.st.byron wrote: ↑Mon 08 Oct 2018 2:44pm AFL website reporting that Lobb has chosen Fremantle and will seek a deal to land there.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/w ... he-dockers
So that would perhaps increase the likelihood of Hickey finding his way to WCE.
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Re: Hickey gone?
this is a litmus test for our club tho
yep WC at this stage seem to have the upper hand
they are hoping Nicnat comes back next year - but really at 28 how many more good years has he got?
So they lose Lycett and have looked to Hickey as a statistically similar player but his age is similar to NicNat and will cost something in negotiation terms
J roughead is in the picture as a RFA and comes at 28yrs but a much poorer ruckman
They could also get Mumford and a wheelchair for 12 months or go with best local ruck in the WAFL - cheap cheap
they way I see it - they have options but there really is only 1 ruckman out there so we should dictate them terms
lets say a sub 30 pick
we wont
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