Billy Longer

[spert]

AFL website reports that Billy is set to recommit to St. Kilda.

I wonder how many of our other players currently out of contract will be re-signed.

Might as well be all of them FFS...rookie all our delistings too.

And see, this I don't get. We have now struggled for seven seasons, with four of those seasons delivering six wins or less, and with most of the wins we have achieved due to our older veterans, not our youth, nor our recruits.

With the possible exception of Lonie I wouldn't be re-signing any of the guys coming out of contract as they haven't been able to improve performances or get their bodies right to make an impact. I think the club also owes it to those players to try their luck at a different club in a different system. Perhaps even at a different level in some cases.

We are a classic under-performing club. I believe we have talent that is not being fully developed, and a coach who has been too timid to drop some of those under-performers and persist with new blood, whilst trotting out a style of football that seems more suited to a country team than an AFL team. There ya go.

[Legendary]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

[sunsaint]

what the hell has gone wrong? - our resident ruck expert stated he was signed sealed delivered to geelong
the ONLY way this seems even slightly plausible is if Hickey really is going to WC - which is massive given hickey is contracted and they could have Longer for nothing

Signed, sealed, delivered, was it?????

I take everything you say as gospel stonecold
So when you said he is going to geelong...

Haha, funny little thing aren't you!!!!!

oh Stonecold

I would rather be a funny little thing
than a massive big joke

[stonecold]

what the hell has gone wrong? - our resident ruck expert stated he was signed sealed delivered to geelong
the ONLY way this seems even slightly plausible is if Hickey really is going to WC - which is massive given hickey is contracted and they could have Longer for nothing

Signed, sealed, delivered, was it?????

I take everything you say as gospel stonecold
So when you said he is going to geelong...

Haha, funny little thing aren't you!!!!!

oh Stonecold

I would rather be a funny little thing
than a massive big joke

Onya little person!!!!!

[stonecold]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

Which team mate?????

[stonecold]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

Which team mate?????

[The_Dud]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

Which team mate?????

Yeah which, St Kilda team mates or Geelong team mates??

[takeaway]

Good. Hope Billy stays, and is over his ankle and shoulder issues.

[Viscount Jeremiah]

Billy is on par maybe with Trent Noble.

[cwrcyn]

maybe....

[skeptic]

Billy is on par maybe with Trent Noble.

Trent was at least an established first ruck

[Viscount Jeremiah]

Billy is on par maybe with Trent Noble.

Trent was at least an established first ruck

True and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick

[Toy Saint]

Billy is on par maybe with Trent Noble.

Trent was at least an established first ruck

True and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick

That's not really fair, Longer rarely marks and kicks....at least not when I'm watching

[stonecold]

Lots of gun AFL Ruckman on this forum by the looks!!!!!

[The_Dud]

Billy is on par maybe with Trent Noble.

Trent was at least an established first ruck

True and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick

That's not really fair, Longer rarely marks and kicks....at least not when I'm watching

Yep, sample size too small

[samuraisaint]

The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).

Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.

[SydneySainter]

The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).

Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.

As long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.

Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.

[skeptic]

The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).

Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.

As long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.

Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.

Nailed it

[Viscount Jeremiah]

The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).

Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.

As long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.

Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.

Maybe but Billy is significantly worse than Tom

[dragit]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

This is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.

Club is a rabble.

[takeaway]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

This is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.

Club is a rabble.

Or they might know their ruckmen better than posters on SS

[dragit]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

This is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.

Club is a rabble.

Or they might know their ruckmen better than posters on SS

If a player is telling team mates that he struggles for motivation and would prefer to play suburban footy and the club is persisting then they have no idea.

Legendary has a good track record, far better than the club at this point.

[takeaway]

This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.

On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.

This is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.

Club is a rabble.

Or they might know their ruckmen better than posters on SS

If a player is telling team mates that he struggles for motivation and would prefer to play suburban footy and the club is persisting then they have no idea.

Legendary has a good track record, far better than the club at this point.

So you believe that, and if it was said you know in what context? Ok then. Not critisising Legendary, but far better record than the club? At what?

[dragit]

Being correct.

[saintspremiers]

But what if Lethers is mates with Billy’s old man?