Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
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Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Very unlucky to lose. Hopefully, Lethlean and the club make the necessary hard calls and we can improve the list and the coaching assistants.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Take Stevens out all together. Can I suggest if that spine was playing, 60% of it would still be missing and we likely would have lost by a lot more.
Great to see Logan, Pierce and Marshall playing. They give me hope. Paton gives me hope. Billings, Acres, McKenzie and Gresham give hope...we are getting glimpses of what our young blokes can do when they string games together, have multiple pre seasons and begin to reach / pass that 50 game mark. Which really makes it imperative to play our 1st and 2nd year players.
Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney, even Richmond have the courage and belief to do it. I suggest this is more to do with the Coaching / Development staff & the Match Committee than our players. This siege mentality engulfing everyone at the club needs to be sorted out by a strong, progressive President.
Great to see Logan, Pierce and Marshall playing. They give me hope. Paton gives me hope. Billings, Acres, McKenzie and Gresham give hope...we are getting glimpses of what our young blokes can do when they string games together, have multiple pre seasons and begin to reach / pass that 50 game mark. Which really makes it imperative to play our 1st and 2nd year players.
Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sydney, even Richmond have the courage and belief to do it. I suggest this is more to do with the Coaching / Development staff & the Match Committee than our players. This siege mentality engulfing everyone at the club needs to be sorted out by a strong, progressive President.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
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Kids who ought to have played more this year...except we bring Gilbo back in
Kids have a go
Kids have no fear
Kids who ought to have played more this year...except we bring Gilbo back in
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Spot on!samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 9:04am Very unlucky to lose. Hopefully, Lethlean and the club make the necessary hard calls and we can improve the list and the coaching assistants.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
Marshall, Pierce, Austin, Lonie would not get a game if Brown, Longer, Hickey, Paddy, Mav etc were fit & available.
We’re we getting smashed early but coach stuck with the same players week in week out.
Injuries force change and maybe these four can show they can play.
Ross Lyon was terrible at saints for not blooding youth and we paid the price long term. At least Ross’ teams were competing for a flag.
Richo does the same thing with a 33% win ratio.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Mav was available. He played for Sandy.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Sorry m8 but that spine you mention is nothing special whatsoever. Bruce is rightfully dropped to the vfl now and then, mccartin is crap, the rucks are a disgrace and Stevens is retired. So we were missing 1 good player. (Carlisle)samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 9:04am Very unlucky to lose. Hopefully, Lethlean and the club make the necessary hard calls and we can improve the list and the coaching assistants.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
With most that spine in, earlier in the season, we didn't seem to go that well at all. Maybe last night is the new spine?
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
And Dylan Roberton.Whiskey wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 12:02pmSorry m8 but that spine you mention is nothing special whatsoever. Bruce is rightfully dropped to the vfl now and then, mccartin is crap, the rucks are a disgrace and Stevens is retired. So we were missing 1 good player. (Carlisle)samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 9:04am Very unlucky to lose. Hopefully, Lethlean and the club make the necessary hard calls and we can improve the list and the coaching assistants.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
You clearly haven't been paying attention.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 9:04am Very unlucky to lose. Hopefully, Lethlean and the club make the necessary hard calls and we can improve the list and the coaching assistants.
Missing from last night's team were:
FB - Brown
CHB - Carlisle
Rucks - Longer/Hickey
Mid - Stevens
CHF - Bruce
FF - McCartin
And a very handy attacking half-back flanker in Roberton.
And we lose to the currently fourth-placed side by 4 points.
Where has this level of effort been all year?
Or is it just that when you play youth sometimes you bring in enthusiasm with it?
I would leave the side we had in last night again next week against North - except to replace injuries. And I would replace any injured players with best performers from Sandy, not senior names - hopefully, Freeman, Coffield or Clark.
And you know what the really funny thing is about all of this? When all of that spine I listed above were in the side at the beginning of the year, we were losing by even more than we were just a couple of weeks ago. But it shouldn't have taken a catastrophic injury list for player development to have taken place.
It's the coach's fault, (I hate him btw)
It's the lack of development
It's the board's fault
It's the game plan (it's really really old)
Sarcasm aside, yeah injuries have really destabilised the club this year however with a better coach and a better board and a better game plan we would have have won heaps more games.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Our spine has very little spine.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
It's the coach's fault, (I hate him btw)
It's the lack of development
It's the board's fault
It's the game plan (it's really really old)
Well according to Richo it is the player's fault
Agree.
On the gameplan/ team structure this week:
1/That we switched backwards less and played on more often up the ground
2/ That when the Hawks started running through the centre this game that we actually closed it off unlike for example the Dons game
3/ That Billings was up the ground setting up play, and not playing as a small forward for the game
4/ That Geary was back playing a tagging role defensive role which is is very good at, rather than be a loose attacking defender which he is poor at.
Also the Hawks look a really slow team and so I think our selection and team balance work well to play them as we were very nimble. So congrats to our selectors this week.
I would like Sinclair back on the wing as that is where he plays his best football, but they went with Newnes there. apart from that how they lined up look good to me this week.
Congrats to Steele and Lonie for both probably playing their best every games for us this week. Both made a big difference to us.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
I forgot to add it's the players fault.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 4:13pmIt's the coach's fault, (I hate him btw)
It's the lack of development
It's the board's fault
It's the game plan (it's really really old)
Well according to Richo it is the player's fault
Agree.
On the gameplan/ team structure this week:
1/That we switched backwards less and played on more often up the ground
2/ That when the Hawks started running through the centre this game that we actually closed it off unlike for example the Dons game
3/ That Billings was up the ground setting up play, and not playing as a small forward for the game
4/ That Geary was back playing a tagging role defensive role which is is very good at, rather than be a loose attacking defender which he is poor at.
Also the Hawks look a really slow team and so I think our selection and team balance work well to play them as we were very nimble. So congrats to our selectors this week.
I would like Sinclair back on the wing as that is where he plays his best football, but they went with Newnes there. apart from that how they lined up look good to me this week.
Congrats to Steele and Lonie for both probably playing their best every games for us this week. Both made a big difference to us.
Which incidentally I think some supporters added 1+1 and got 3.1456789 when it came to interpreting some of Richo's comments about players.
But I digress, wanted to also comment on Jack Steele, I think you can put a tick next to his name for a player who has improved this year. I'm bullish about Jack, I think he's A grade quality soon. It's great his tagging work is being recongnised but I reckon he's getting much better as a distributor, and that's after he wins it also.
Could he become our new spiritual leader in the form of one Lenny Hayes?
One to watch in 2019 as they say.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Yes I agree on Steele. I think he has arrived this year. His second half of the season has been in particular very, very good.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 4:48pm
But I digress, wanted to also comment on Jack Steele, I think you can put a tick next to his name for a player who has improved this year. I'm bullish about Jack, I think he's A grade quality soon. It's great his tagging work is being recongnised but I reckon he's getting much better as a distributor, and that's after he wins it also.
Could he become our new spiritual leader in the form of one Lenny Hayes?
One to watch in 2019 as they say.
He has been one of the few pluses for the year.
Hopefully he can take the next step to be an offensive mid, but at present he is excelling in his current role.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Firstly I would like the club to give him another contract.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 5:10pmYes I agree on Steele. I think he has arrived this year. His second half of the season has been in particular very, very good.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 4:48pm
But I digress, wanted to also comment on Jack Steele, I think you can put a tick next to his name for a player who has improved this year. I'm bullish about Jack, I think he's A grade quality soon. It's great his tagging work is being recongnised but I reckon he's getting much better as a distributor, and that's after he wins it also.
Could he become our new spiritual leader in the form of one Lenny Hayes?
One to watch in 2019 as they say.
He has been one of the few pluses for the year.
Hopefully he can take the next step to be an offensive mid, but at present he is excelling in his current role.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Dont think he has got the pace to be any type of mid, an effective tagger. Can kick a goal now and then. You would like to think that recruitment would have a couple of mids already picked out 1 trade and 1 draft. Leave Steele to do the grunt work. If he got to Lenny hayes level that would be the greatest bonus of all time.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Steele is a gun. Confident he is equal of Sloane. Hoping he will be Lenny level.chico2001 wrote: ↑Mon 20 Aug 2018 10:14pm Dont think he has got the pace to be any type of mid, an effective tagger. Can kick a goal now and then. You would like to think that recruitment would have a couple of mids already picked out 1 trade and 1 draft. Leave Steele to do the grunt work. If he got to Lenny hayes level that would be the greatest bonus of all time.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Cairnsman, the Pi-man.Cairnsman wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 4:48pmI forgot to add it's the players fault.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Sun 19 Aug 2018 4:13pmIt's the coach's fault, (I hate him btw)
It's the lack of development
It's the board's fault
It's the game plan (it's really really old)
Well according to Richo it is the player's fault
Agree.
On the gameplan/ team structure this week:
1/That we switched backwards less and played on more often up the ground
2/ That when the Hawks started running through the centre this game that we actually closed it off unlike for example the Dons game
3/ That Billings was up the ground setting up play, and not playing as a small forward for the game
4/ That Geary was back playing a tagging role defensive role which is is very good at, rather than be a loose attacking defender which he is poor at.
Also the Hawks look a really slow team and so I think our selection and team balance work well to play them as we were very nimble. So congrats to our selectors this week.
I would like Sinclair back on the wing as that is where he plays his best football, but they went with Newnes there. apart from that how they lined up look good to me this week.
Congrats to Steele and Lonie for both probably playing their best every games for us this week. Both made a big difference to us.
Which incidentally I think some supporters added 1+1 and got 3.1456789 when it came to interpreting some of Richo's comments about players.
But I digress, wanted to also comment on Jack Steele, I think you can put a tick next to his name for a player who has improved this year. I'm bullish about Jack, I think he's A grade quality soon. It's great his tagging work is being recongnised but I reckon he's getting much better as a distributor, and that's after he wins it also.
Could he become our new spiritual leader in the form of one Lenny Hayes?
One to watch in 2019 as they say.
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Re: Our entire spine was out and we were very unlucky to lose
Huge statement, massive statement. Check out Lennys playing record and his achievements, we are talking about a club legend here. Might pay to check out Sloanes playing record as well and he aint finished yet. Wait 3-4 years then come back and revisit.Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon 20 Aug 2018 10:23pmSteele is a gun. Confident he is equal of Sloane. Hoping he will be Lenny level.chico2001 wrote: ↑Mon 20 Aug 2018 10:14pm Dont think he has got the pace to be any type of mid, an effective tagger. Can kick a goal now and then. You would like to think that recruitment would have a couple of mids already picked out 1 trade and 1 draft. Leave Steele to do the grunt work. If he got to Lenny hayes level that would be the greatest bonus of all time.