I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
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I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Look they are a crap team and we should be doing a lot better...but they have a quality ruckman.
That said Hickey as proven much more worth to the game than longer ever has
That said Hickey as proven much more worth to the game than longer ever has
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
I have seen Hick push forward, mark strongly coming out of defense, and present around the ground. Sure Billy has more mongrel, but that means didley squat if you can't back it up in some way, shape, or form.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
By the way, the quality ruckman hasn't been out there for two and a half qtrs.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
What I like is that we can play Hickey and Marshall in the same side.
They have the ability to play more than one role.
Longer can play nowhere but ruck. So he becomes nothing more than a bench warmer when he needs a rest.
Longer is probably our best pure ruckman. But that isn’t enough in the modern game.
They have the ability to play more than one role.
Longer can play nowhere but ruck. So he becomes nothing more than a bench warmer when he needs a rest.
Longer is probably our best pure ruckman. But that isn’t enough in the modern game.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Well said, Dr Zaius.Ape_Man wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jul 2018 10:58pm What I like is that we can play Hickey and Marshall in the same side.
They have the ability to play more than one role.
Longer can play nowhere but ruck. So he becomes nothing more than a bench warmer when he needs a rest.
Longer is probably our best pure ruckman. But that isn’t enough in the modern game.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Not much of a debate. Hinckley is a much better player than longer longer is a better tap ruck. With Marshall in the team who can also play ruck; longer should not play again
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Longer has value. When he is playing his best he works amazing in a 2 ruck set up. But like Hickey either injury or confidence has caused him to suck.
That said in best form Hickey is faster, he can jump more athletically ( meaning reach twist and bend) he can bend and scoop the ball, he can hand ball under pressure better and occassionally mark. That said, Longer at his best is a much better ruck jumping straight up and down, he marks in pack better and kicks for goal longer and more accurate. But that's best case scenario which has only happened once in real life and twice in a certain posters fantasy.
But neither added together are half the ruck we traded for Gresham. Who by the way is STILL kicking ass most games.
That said in best form Hickey is faster, he can jump more athletically ( meaning reach twist and bend) he can bend and scoop the ball, he can hand ball under pressure better and occassionally mark. That said, Longer at his best is a much better ruck jumping straight up and down, he marks in pack better and kicks for goal longer and more accurate. But that's best case scenario which has only happened once in real life and twice in a certain posters fantasy.
But neither added together are half the ruck we traded for Gresham. Who by the way is STILL kicking ass most games.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
I give up. Which ruckman did we trade for Gresham?David-Lee wrote:Longer has value. When he is playing his best he works amazing in a 2 ruck set up. But like Hickey either injury or confidence has caused him to suck.
That said in best form Hickey is faster, he can jump more athletically ( meaning reach twist and bend) he can bend and scoop the ball, he can hand ball under pressure better and occassionally mark. That said, Longer at his best is a much better ruck jumping straight up and down, he marks in pack better and kicks for goal longer and more accurate. But that's best case scenario which has only happened once in real life and twice in a certain posters fantasy.
But neither added together are half the ruck we traded for Gresham. Who by the way is STILL kicking ass most games.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
The 193cm man mountain Aaron Francis?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jul 2018 11:41pmI give up. Which ruckman did we trade for Gresham?David-Lee wrote:Longer has value. When he is playing his best he works amazing in a 2 ruck set up. But like Hickey either injury or confidence has caused him to suck.
That said in best form Hickey is faster, he can jump more athletically ( meaning reach twist and bend) he can bend and scoop the ball, he can hand ball under pressure better and occassionally mark. That said, Longer at his best is a much better ruck jumping straight up and down, he marks in pack better and kicks for goal longer and more accurate. But that's best case scenario which has only happened once in real life and twice in a certain posters fantasy.
But neither added together are half the ruck we traded for Gresham. Who by the way is STILL kicking ass most games.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Can't believe people think HickleDink has any value. A true ruckman only gets 5 possessions a game and their opponent is always best on ground!
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Good OP ! Ruckman debate is over based on Hickey vs no-one? I was a bit disappointed with Hickey, should have dominated more vs no-one, did not even get in the best players, no goals, a lot of his tap outs went nowhere. Long way to go before the debate is over. Marshall got nearly as many hitouts as well as a couple of goals.
Give him a couple of games against actual ruckman, when the pressure is on, and see how he goes. Hopefully that game vs no-one will give him more confidence and he can reach his potential.
Give him a couple of games against actual ruckman, when the pressure is on, and see how he goes. Hopefully that game vs no-one will give him more confidence and he can reach his potential.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Get off the juice, McKay made him look second rate so many times!!!!!
Talk about drinking your own bathwater, or in your case, user name!!!!!
Hickledik should have been best on, played on no bodies, with very little impact, Marshall played the way Hickledik should have!!!!!
But hey, at least he played in a win, let's see how he goes against Nank next week!!!!!
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Where have you been? Damien Monkhorst bro....kosifantutti wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jul 2018 11:41pm,,-David-Lee wrote:Longer has value. When he is playing his best he works amazing in a 2 ruck set up. But like Hickey either injury or confidence has caused him to suck.
That said in best form Hickey is faster, he can jump more athletically ( meaning reach twist and bend) he can bend and scoop the ball, he can hand ball under pressure better and occassionally mark. That said, Longer at his best is a much better ruck jumping straight up and down, he marks in pack better and kicks for goal longer and more accurate. But that's best case scenario which has only happened once in real life and twice in a certain posters fantasy.
But neither added together are half the ruck we traded for Gresham. Who by the way is STILL kicking ass most games.
I give up. Which ruckman did we trade for Gresham?
Heres what a ITK has leaked....we planned to keep the Monk and resign him on a 25 year contract. But on the eve of this world record club contract Mr. Bain ( then just picking cans from rubbish bins) saw a 3 yr old Jade Gresham kicking on after a Northern Knights match at South Morang.
Bain then sold every can he had gleaned and bought the time transfrigger 3 in the dick smith catalogue. He quickly assembled this module and travelled forward to manipulate every ruckman trade for the next 15 years so that young Gresh could be our sole focus in the draft and mislead us from viewing any talks.
Travelling back to 2000 he found Monkhurst had actually concocted his own plan to become a plumber and eventually build a shed for Alastair Clarkson this paving the way for him to be the head ruck coach at The Hawks. Alastair of course secretly controls the afl draft and had paid Monkhurst to reverse plumb the St Kilda board room toilets this allowing the s*** to flow up hill causing the trade of our beloved ruckman ro the Hawks and influencing the hiring of Richo and the recontracting of Gilbert
Jesus mate this really basic stuff.
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Its all about wins apparentlystonecold wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:09amGet off the juice, McKay made him look second rate so many times!!!!!
Talk about drinking your own bathwater, or in your case, user name!!!!!
Hickledik should have been best on, played on no bodies, with very little impact, Marshall played the way Hickledik should have!!!!!
But hey, at least he played in a win, let's see how he goes against Nank next week!!!!!
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Hickey plays in big winsportosaint wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:12amIts all about wins apparentlystonecold wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:09amGet off the juice, McKay made him look second rate so many times!!!!!
Talk about drinking your own bathwater, or in your case, user name!!!!!
Hickledik should have been best on, played on no bodies, with very little impact, Marshall played the way Hickledik should have!!!!!
But hey, at least he played in a win, let's see how he goes against Nank next week!!!!!![]()
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
I agree...Ape_Man wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jul 2018 10:58pm What I like is that we can play Hickey and Marshall in the same side.
They have the ability to play more than one role.
Longer can play nowhere but ruck. So he becomes nothing more than a bench warmer when he needs a rest.
Longer is probably our best pure ruckman. But that isn’t enough in the modern game.
The concern is, does Richo?
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Against Grey Witches hat, that are clearly Tanking, with No Ruckman, let's pop the Cork's!!!!!skeptic wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:27amHickey plays in big winsportosaint wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:12amIts all about wins apparentlystonecold wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 12:09amGet off the juice, McKay made him look second rate so many times!!!!!
Talk about drinking your own bathwater, or in your case, user name!!!!!
Hickledik should have been best on, played on no bodies, with very little impact, Marshall played the way Hickledik should have!!!!!
But hey, at least he played in a win, let's see how he goes against Nank next week!!!!!![]()
Longer plays in scrappy, low margin wins
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Hickey is so much better than Billy it doesn't even deserve debate
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Right oh Bluthy!!!!!The Fireman wrote: ↑Sat 14 Jul 2018 1:17am Hickey is so much better than Billy it doesn't even deserve debate
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Re: I feel like the hickey v longer debate is over
Hey stonecold:
When Billy is delisted and no one picks him up, are you going to give us updates from the suburban or country leagues on how he's going?
When Billy is delisted and no one picks him up, are you going to give us updates from the suburban or country leagues on how he's going?