Saint’s indigenous players

SaintPav · Post: # 1732055Post **SaintPav** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 4:39pm

How did James Gwilt get on this list?

Also, Nicky Winmar played from 1987 until 1998.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2018-05-3 ... ead-to-toe

saynta · Post: # 1732058Post **saynta** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 4:58pm

One parent fom PNG, the other may or may not have indigenous heritage

Junior · Post: # 1732063Post **Junior** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 6:16pm

Embarrassing , Gwilt is not indigenous mum from PNG and dad from the UK.

Trev from the Bush · Sat 02 Jun 2018 7:48pm

Junior wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 6:16pm Embarrassing , Gwilt is not indigenous mum from PNG and dad from the UK.

Massive stuff up from the club to list Gwilt as aboriginal - Welsh dad, PNG mum. Melanesian!

kosifantutti · Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:03pm

I don’t remember Garry and Ian Barry. I’m confident they never played seniors.

kosifantutti · Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:07pm

SaintPav wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 4:39pm How did James Gwilt get on this list?

Also, Nicky Winmar played from 1987 until 1998.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2018-05-3 ... ead-to-toe

They left out Enrico Misso and Jason Holmes.

Jacks Back · Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:12pm

kosifantutti wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:07pm
SaintPav wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 4:39pm How did James Gwilt get on this list?

Also, Nicky Winmar played from 1987 until 1998.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2018-05-3 ... ead-to-toe
They left out Enrico Misso and Jason Holmes.

And congorozides left himself out

ace · Post: # 1732083Post **ace** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:29pm

I am an indigenous Australian.
All my ancestors arrived in the mid 1800's from the British Isles.
Part of the third migration to Australia that continues today with people from all parts of the world not just Europe.
It is sad that no descendants of the first migration survive.
The original Australians.
They were confined to Tasmania by the time the third migration began and died out soon after.

asiu · Post: # 1732085Post **asiu** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:59pm

my grandmothers grandmother was full blooded Palawa
We are not dead

but WE ARE , the 'original australians'.

ace · Post: # 1732130Post **ace** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 9:47pm

asiu wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 8:59pm my grandmothers grandmother was full blooded Palawa
We are not dead

but WE ARE , the 'original australians'.

Was your grandmother's grandmother Truganini the last surviving full blood Tasmanian aboriginal (died 1876) ?

Lieutenant-Governor George Arthur promised the Palawa that they would eventually have their lands returned when he had them moved to the Ferneaux Islands.
You may own all of Tasmania.
But who would want that backward island.

asiu · Post: # 1732133Post **asiu** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 9:48pm

asiu · Post: # 1732135Post **asiu** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 9:49pm

i did put her name up ... but then edited it out

Enrico_Misso · Sat 02 Jun 2018 9:53pm

I think Holmesy was from the Weardarfarcarwe tribe.

asiu · Post: # 1732148Post **asiu** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 10:03pm

i'll tell you something that not many know
.... the first two hung in Victoria were Palawa boys
who travelled with Truganini

ace · Post: # 1732198Post **ace** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 10:27pm

Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 9:53pm I think Holmesy was from the Weardarfarcarwe tribe.

I think our team may be members of the Weardarfarcarwe tribe by the way they look lost on a football field.

asiu · Post: # 1732230Post **asiu** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 10:49pm

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1 ... rs/9748834

something else , not many know

re the Proclamation Boards

"Particularly at the moment when there is a national conversation about constitutional recognition and treaty with Aboriginal people, these boards can be seen as an offer of a treaty," he said.

"There is a really clear commitment about equal rights and treatment before the law and an aspiration for a peaceful society.

"That central figure of an Aboriginal chief shaking hands with the Governor really symbolises to my eyes what a treaty is all about.

though , to be fair , what it showed us , was hypocriticalness personified

The_Dud · Post: # 1732284Post **The_Dud** » Sat 02 Jun 2018 11:13pm

I think in the paper the other day they had our top 3 indigenous players in our history being Winmar, X Clarke and R Clarke!

BringBackMadDog · Sun 03 Jun 2018 1:16am

The_Dud wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jun 2018 11:13pm I think in the paper the other day they had our top 3 indigenous players in our history being Winmar, X Clarke and R Clarke!

Yep I saw that, obviously never heard of Robert Muir or Gilbert McAdam

asiu · Post: # 1732530Post **asiu** » Sun 03 Jun 2018 10:25am

m

Chief Wild Eagle says
" Many moons ago tribe move west because Pilgrims ruin neighborhood.
Tribe travel west, over country and mountains and wild streams, then come big day
... tribe fall over cliff,
that when Hekawi get name.

Medicine man say to my ancestor, "I think we lost. Where the heck are we?"

the Fukawi

are a mob of pygmies who live in the tall yellow thatching grasses of tropical Africa

the dome · Post: # 1732566Post **the dome** » Sun 03 Jun 2018 12:08pm

Enjoyed reading the article about Gresh even if it was in the that dystopian rag.
At least last Friday it had one genuinely good page of print/ page 76. I did discover that Gresh has significant links to the Yorta Yorta people & their traditional land between the Goulburn & & Murray Rivers.
There was also mention made of Jade's connection to Nicky Winmar (one of my all-time favs @ the Saints & apparently one of Jade's favs as well.) It's been 25 years since Nicky Winmar raised his guernsey @ Vic Park in reply to the racist taunts he had to endure hearing that day but to his credit Nicky represented a positive turning point within the culture of the afl.
Good on you Jade.

Hey asiu couldn't resist pointing out that it was the Native Americans that saved 'the pilgrims'
from starvation when they first arrived on the north-east coast of america.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/let ... story.html

asiu · Post: # 1732583Post **asiu** » Sun 03 Jun 2018 1:04pm

They were confined to Tasmania by the time the third migration began and died out soon after.

'they' were 'confined' many years before the second wave of aboriginals walked across the big island
.... by the rising sea levels
(10,000 years ago wasnt it ?)

the Dutch were in Tassy in the 1640's
... read the ships journals of Abel Tasman's voyage and discover the highest regard
he held for the Palawa

the Chinese , no doubt , were there even earlier
... they'd been everywhere else

the bunch of jonny come latelys that were the French and British
in their wigs chaps and stockings
were nothing but classless pirates

and , in the main , remain
that way today.

asiu · Post: # 1732604Post **asiu** » Sun 03 Jun 2018 1:42pm

plus

i was a Grandmother short

my Grandmothers Great Grandmother was ... what the whities would call Full Blooded
born ?
died 3/4/1845

her daughter (of mums line)
made 102
her daughter (of mums line)
made 105
my mums mum
made 96

the pirates came to stay in 1803
and starting slaughtering whales for fun n profit basically straight away

i mention that , cause there's some Maori blood involved in our later songlines as well
(they being the stolen women for the whaling industry that followed)

asiu · Post: # 1732608Post **asiu** » Sun 03 Jun 2018 1:52pm

yes @thedome

was aware of that
this countrys people did it as well

n suffered the same fate for their openheartedness

chico2001 · Post: # 1733358Post **chico2001** » Wed 06 Jun 2018 4:55pm

Gwilt was not aboriginal but fair to say he was not white. I have no problem with him being on that list. Why dont you ring the club up and ask them about his inclusion, or better still ring up Nicky Winmar or x man and ask if he should be on the list.

Junior · Post: # 1733400Post **Junior** » Wed 06 Jun 2018 7:58pm

chico2001 wrote: ↑Wed 06 Jun 2018 4:55pm Gwilt was not aboriginal but fair to say he was not white. I have no problem with him being on that list. Why dont you ring the club up and ask them about his inclusion, or better still ring up Nicky Winmar or x man and ask if he should be on the list.

One of the most offensive posts I have seen in all of my years on the forum.

Colour of the skin totally irrelevant, whether you have a problem with Gwilt being on the list is totally irrelevant.

What is relevant is whether he is indigenous or not, if the list is indigenous St Kilda footballers then only have indigenous St Kilda footballers on the list.

Indigenous players are proud of their heritage and history, because they are indigenous Australians not because of colour but because of their culture.

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Enjoying the work of Gresham

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