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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728459Post Teflon »

bassoon wrote: Fri 18 May 2018 11:55pm I am totally sick an tired of the commentators saying that Betts is the best small forward player ever. I was nearly sick the other week when he was compared to Daicos or Farmer, but not our Stevie.

A cursory look at Footy Stats shows Milney to have more goals kicked per game as Betts. Yes, we might have had a great side at the time but I'd rather Milney than Betts any time!!!
Yeah I laughed at that - they really don't want to give Milne any credit but seriously suggesting Betts as best ever isn't right
Milne shyte son Farmer and didn't Daicos also play mid at times?
A dedicated small forward is a tough gig and Betts is great but to leave Milne out of that like they did is laughable
Matthew Richardson brought him into the conversation - suspect he has a soft spot for the Saints Richo he is the only one to pump us up at all....


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Re: Milne v Betts

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Don’t reckon too many neutrals would agree with you.Goals alone surely favour Milne, but compare the tackles and a different picture emerges!Milne kicked plenty but also was responsible for plenty of opposition attacks started by his direct opponent.


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Re: Milne v Betts

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whiskers3614 wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 12:09am Don’t reckon too many neutrals would agree with you.Goals alone surely favour Milne, but compare the tackles and a different picture emerges!Milne kicked plenty but also was responsible for plenty of opposition attacks started by his direct opponent.
That's what goalsneaks, including Betts, do.


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Re: Milne v Betts

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whiskers3614 wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 12:09am Don’t reckon too many neutrals would agree with you.Goals alone surely favour Milne, but compare the tackles and a different picture emerges!Milne kicked plenty but also was responsible for plenty of opposition attacks started by his direct opponent.
I think you're being harsh on Milne there - granted earlier in his career he needed defensive work but I'd argue at his annoying best his defensive efforts for us were a key reason why he was able to hassle pick pockets and get goals
I also think Milne has Betts covered for consistency but just my view


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728477Post skeptic »

I think the key point here is that Milne certainly deserves to at least be in the conversation


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728575Post sunsaint »

why does it upset people that another player may be considered to be better than one of ours?
I just had a look at career stats for both
and a couple of things stood out like d@gs b@lls
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=C&fid2=C

I forgot that Milne played till 38yrs amazingly long career but Betts has surpassed him in game totals much faster => less injury/suspension interrupted
Defensive side of game - tackles and frees against => way in favour of Betts
Bit too early too call on accuracy but I fear Betts may come on top there as well in the end

Both are great small forward players - history will decide which is better


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Re: Milne v Betts

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sunsaint wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 4:37pm why does it upset people that another player may be considered to be better than one of ours?
I just had a look at career stats for both
and a couple of things stood out like d@gs b@lls
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=C&fid2=C

I forgot that Milne played till 38yrs amazingly long career but Betts has surpassed him in game totals much faster => less injury/suspension interrupted
Defensive side of game - tackles and frees against => way in favour of Betts
Bit too early too call on accuracy but I fear Betts may come on top there as well in the end

Both are great small forward players - history will decide which is better
Are you just making stuff up? Milne played his last game at 33. He’s 38 now.


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728586Post sunsaint »

thought 38 was a bit old for him
footywire obviously doesnt cut off players career age. . . which is a bit strange
so no Im not MAKING STUFF UP


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sunsaint wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 4:55pm thought 38 was a bit old for him
footywire obviously doesnt cut off players career age. . . which is a bit strange
so no Im not MAKING STUFF UP
No, you are just gullible enough to put forward an opinion based solely on somebody else's stuff-up.

Clearly not your fault at all is it? Just monkey, see monkey do.


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ATM
Milney
Rioli
Betts
Matera
Farmer

That's how I see it


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Re: Milne v Betts

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Its a line ball, both similar.

Betts has a few more tricks yet Milne was stronger and better defensively (particularly after Lyon's tough love), not to mention better overhead.


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Post: # 1728601Post realdeal »

Milne was often high up in score assists as well. That comparison would add to the conversation..


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ROLS-LEE wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:33pm ATM
Milney
Rioli
Betts
Matera
Farmer

That's how I see it
What about Leigh Matthews?

Because of injury he played pretty much a full season (might have been 1976) as a small forward, kicked 93 and might have won the Coleman. I think he won the Coleman once or twice.


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Re: Milne v Betts

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Trev from the Bush wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:26pm

No, you are just gullible enough to put forward an opinion based solely on somebody else's stuff-up.

Clearly not your fault at all is it? Just monkey, see monkey do.
oh sorry - but what?
I posted stats from footywire not someone else's opinion


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728617Post Waltzing St Kilda »

If only they;d played at the same time ...

Oh wait ... they did.

And Milne was better. Full stop.

Put Betts in Ross Lyon's ultra-defensive team and his goal average would fall even shorter.


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728622Post older saint »

Best small forward of all time i think was Leigh Matthews.

Modern day
Milne, Betts, Matera, Brad Johnson,(?) Rioli,


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Re: Milne v Betts

Post: # 1728628Post kosifantutti »

sunsaint wrote:thought 38 was a bit old for him
footywire obviously doesnt cut off players career age. . . which is a bit strange
so no Im not MAKING STUFF UP
Milne averaged over 21 games per season. So I don’t know where that stuff about Betts (20 games) being more resilient comes from.


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Re: Milne v Betts

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Linton Lodger wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:47pm
ROLS-LEE wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:33pm ATM
Milney
Rioli
Betts
Matera
Farmer

That's how I see it
What about Leigh Matthews?

Because of injury he played pretty much a full season (might have been 1976) as a small forward, kicked 93 and might have won the Coleman. I think he won the Coleman once or twice.
I never saw lethal play. Just b4 my time.


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Re: Milne v Betts

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Linton Lodger wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:47pm
ROLS-LEE wrote: Sat 19 May 2018 5:33pm ATM
Milney
Rioli
Betts
Matera
Farmer

That's how I see it
What about Leigh Matthews?

Because of injury he played pretty much a full season (might have been 1976) as a small forward, kicked 93 and might have won the Coleman. I think he won the Coleman once or twice.
I never saw lethal play. Just b4 my time.


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