25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
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25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
Remembering Nick's Powerful Statement and a great Saints rare win at Victoria Park 25 years ago today.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
I have a personally signed copy of that photo which used to hang on my office wall....when I had an office.oh when the wrote:Remembering Nick's Powerful Statement and a great Saints rare win at Victoria Park 25 years ago today.
How time flies. Cuz was on 360 recently.They are casting a bronze statue of Nicky in that stance.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
So, it would be around 25 years since Cuz disappeared for a few days in the clubs Tooheys Red promo car and forgot to tell anyone!!!!!
Funny man Cuz, Legend!!!!!
Funny man Cuz, Legend!!!!!
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
Me too!Waltzing St Kilda wrote:I was there.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
A must for the Hall of Fame.
One of the best players of all time IMO - saw him tear Ablett apart a couple of times.
He ripped through everyone at Victoria Park that day. Totally underrated!
Should never have been let go - and sadly, we never cared enough - in 97!
We could use a Nicky in the side this weekend - he never knew how to lie down!
(Oh and I remember the management failure to achieve a good deal with the players in the one year that we should have been a dead-cert for the GF (93) - but no one could be bothered to resolve it. Absolute rubbish then. That is why he went walkabout!)
One of the best players of all time IMO - saw him tear Ablett apart a couple of times.
He ripped through everyone at Victoria Park that day. Totally underrated!
Should never have been let go - and sadly, we never cared enough - in 97!
We could use a Nicky in the side this weekend - he never knew how to lie down!
(Oh and I remember the management failure to achieve a good deal with the players in the one year that we should have been a dead-cert for the GF (93) - but no one could be bothered to resolve it. Absolute rubbish then. That is why he went walkabout!)
This is a team game and there is no room for individuals who think they are above walking through the fire.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
How can Neil Elvis Winmar not be in the AFL hall of fame?
First indigenous player to play over 200 games. Then finished with over 250 games.
200 games is life membership for the AFL.
That milestone alone should be enough for hall of fame entry.
But no. Not enough for Nicky.
His Victoria Park stand in 1993 questioned not just a sport, but an entire country’s bias.
It literally changed a nations consciousness.
Surely that would be enough for hall of fame recognition.
Ummmm, no.
But do you want to know whom of his contemporaries got there before him?
Actually, there are heaps. These are a few of the ones I think should have been inducted after Winmar.
Not saying these players don’t deserve HOF status. Just that Winmar does too.
Barry Hall.
Jason Akermanis.
Peter Bell.
Gary Hocking.
Brad Johnson.
Dean Kemp.
Michael O’Loughlin
Anthony Stevens
Michael Long
Long is a difficult one. He has done wonders for indigenous players but I feel it was after Winmar’s stand. So Nicky should have been inducted first.
My message to the AFL: Get Nicky Winmar into the Hall of Fame.
First indigenous player to play over 200 games. Then finished with over 250 games.
200 games is life membership for the AFL.
That milestone alone should be enough for hall of fame entry.
But no. Not enough for Nicky.
His Victoria Park stand in 1993 questioned not just a sport, but an entire country’s bias.
It literally changed a nations consciousness.
Surely that would be enough for hall of fame recognition.
Ummmm, no.
But do you want to know whom of his contemporaries got there before him?
Actually, there are heaps. These are a few of the ones I think should have been inducted after Winmar.
Not saying these players don’t deserve HOF status. Just that Winmar does too.
Barry Hall.
Jason Akermanis.
Peter Bell.
Gary Hocking.
Brad Johnson.
Dean Kemp.
Michael O’Loughlin
Anthony Stevens
Michael Long
Long is a difficult one. He has done wonders for indigenous players but I feel it was after Winmar’s stand. So Nicky should have been inducted first.
My message to the AFL: Get Nicky Winmar into the Hall of Fame.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
+1Ape_Man wrote:How can Neil Elvis Winmar not be in the AFL hall of fame?
First indigenous player to play over 200 games. Then finished with over 250 games.
200 games is life membership for the AFL.
That milestone alone should be enough for hall of fame entry.
But no. Not enough for Nicky.
His Victoria Park stand in 1993 questioned not just a sport, but an entire country’s bias.
It literally changed a nations consciousness.
Surely that would be enough for hall of fame recognition.
Ummmm, no.
But do you want to know whom of his contemporaries got there before him?
Actually, there are heaps. These are a few of the ones I think should have been inducted after Winmar.
Not saying these players don’t deserve HOF status. Just that Winmar does too.
Barry Hall.
Jason Akermanis.
Peter Bell.
Gary Hocking.
Brad Johnson.
Dean Kemp.
Michael O’Loughlin
Anthony Stevens
Michael Long
Long is a difficult one. He has done wonders for indigenous players but I feel it was after Winmar’s stand. So Nicky should have been inducted first.
My message to the AFL: Get Nicky Winmar into the Hall of Fame.
Well said. He was a star and one of my favourite VFL/AFL players of all time.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
He was a star!
But what gets my goat is that the AFL have used Winmar and his historic stand to help promote Indigenous round.
Eff that, they have used a defining moment in Australian sporting history to promote themselves and their social conscious bull.
Why can't they do the right thing and give the great man SOME of the acknowledgement he deserves.
But what gets my goat is that the AFL have used Winmar and his historic stand to help promote Indigenous round.
Eff that, they have used a defining moment in Australian sporting history to promote themselves and their social conscious bull.
Why can't they do the right thing and give the great man SOME of the acknowledgement he deserves.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
I think Barry Hall deserved it more... I mean he actually punched a guy, unprovoked, and played again the next week.
Winmar couldn’t pull that off in 10 lifetimes
Winmar couldn’t pull that off in 10 lifetimes
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
You're right Skeptic.
Hall was an upstanding citizen.
When he accidentally king hit and knocked out Staker he got a very severe 7 weeks.
When Nicky got racially reamed by Brereton for years and finally cracked he got a lenient 10.
But fork me what a comeback in round 7 '91.
Hall was an upstanding citizen.
When he accidentally king hit and knocked out Staker he got a very severe 7 weeks.
When Nicky got racially reamed by Brereton for years and finally cracked he got a lenient 10.
But fork me what a comeback in round 7 '91.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
Do you mean after that game at Victoria Park?stonecold wrote:So, it would be around 25 years since Cuz disappeared for a few days in the clubs Tooheys Red promo car and forgot to tell anyone!!!!!
Funny man Cuz, Legend!!!!!
My recollection is that he wanted to walk away after that game.
For me, death threats would be enough to make me do whatever I could to protect my family.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
Nicky had the misfortune to be managed by that pony-tailed idiot Peter Jess who persuaded him he should be paid a quarter of our salary cap (way more than Plugger).
In the hype after the famous Vic Park win it went to his head. Jess demanded a ridulous pay increase that no club could accommodate so Nicky walked out for a couple of weeks.
Just when we were looking the real deal it totally undermined our season.
So yes it was a turning point in racial relations but it destroyed our season.
In the hype after the famous Vic Park win it went to his head. Jess demanded a ridulous pay increase that no club could accommodate so Nicky walked out for a couple of weeks.
Just when we were looking the real deal it totally undermined our season.
So yes it was a turning point in racial relations but it destroyed our season.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
me three...... going to Vic park on many occasions is the reason why I hate the skunks so much...really piss poor supporters.Sainternist wrote:Me too!Waltzing St Kilda wrote:I was there.
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Re: 25 years SInce Winmar's Statement at Vic Park
In this documentary, Nicky talks about what happened after the game.Enrico_Misso wrote:Nicky had the misfortune to be managed by that pony-tailed idiot Peter Jess who persuaded him he should be paid a quarter of our salary cap (way more than Plugger).
In the hype after the famous Vic Park win it went to his head. Jess demanded a ridulous pay increase that no club could accommodate so Nicky walked out for a couple of weeks.
Just when we were looking the real deal it totally undermined our season.
So yes it was a turning point in racial relations but it destroyed our season.
His family stayed at Molly Meldrum's house as they feared for their safety. He also talks about wanting to walk away from the game for good.
I don't think it explains everything, but I think it was a part of what happened.
In this Footy Panel segment from the time, you can see Molly getting really wound up over the negotiations. I get the feeling that Molly knew a lot of what was going on but wouldn't hang Winmar out to dry.
Between death threats and moron Jess, Nicky may have had some big decisions to make. That he came back is a pretty remarkable show of character. In my opinion of course.