McEvoy and Stanley had potential when they were Saints and played some good games, but a good coach gets the best out of players no matter what level they are at. Clarkson and Scott have proven far better developers of players than the plodder we have in charge.The_Dud wrote:Hickey’s best has shown to be much better than Longer’s, so I’d put my game time into him, he has much more of an upside than Longer. Don’t know too much about the younger guys, but again I’d rather see them given a chance, after all couldn’t be worse than Longer’s 1 kick and getting flogged in the tap outs every week.
And it is possible to critisise someone’s football ability without attacking them personally. I’m sure they’re all trying to do their best, and it’s not up to them whether they’re picked or not.
And watching the Cats v Hawks game right now, what I wouldn’t do to have McEvoy or even Stanley back in the team right now...
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Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
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Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
Funny watching Stanley v McEvoy rucking in their respective sides today. Reminded me that Goddard has only played half a game of football in how long? Is he back [playing at Sandy yet? If Hickey doesn't get an opportunity when Longer is injured somebody like Sydney will pick him up cheaply at the end of the year and then he'll develop into a very handy swing ruckman.
Same thing with McCartin. Would Paddy get a game at Geelong? You bet he would. It would end up like another Tom Lynch situation. We must get better at developing players.
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Why you said it, Samurai!samuraisaint wrote:Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
Funny watching Stanley v McEvoy rucking in their respective sides today. Reminded me that Goddard has only played half a game of football in how long? Is he back [playing at Sandy yet? If Hickey doesn't get an opportunity when Longer is injured somebody like Sydney will pick him up cheaply at the end of the year and then he'll develop into a very handy swing ruckman.
Same thing with McCartin. Would Paddy get a game at Geelong? You bet he would. It would end up like another Tom Lynch situation. We must get better at developing players.
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When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
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You still rate Longer after his performances in the first two rounds of the season? He has been bloody awful. A drover's dog would have been more useful. Apparently Hickey played well for Sandy. It's a no-brainer, Stoney!stonecold wrote:When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
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Depends. No way would Paddy get a game at Geelong with his current state of fitness. No way would they accept that.
They have also been drafting quality midfielders like Cockatoo, Parfitt, Fogarty and Kelly.
We are living in a fools paradise if we think we can prosper with bog average midfielders and unfit forwards.
They have also been drafting quality midfielders like Cockatoo, Parfitt, Fogarty and Kelly.
We are living in a fools paradise if we think we can prosper with bog average midfielders and unfit forwards.
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Can I ask where your love for Longer and hatred for Hickey comes from?stonecold wrote:When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
They’ve played the same amount of seasons and about the same games, looking at the stats Longer has only kicked 4 goals in his career! That’s shocking to me, especially compared to Hickey’s 20.
Longer has NEVER averaged double figure disposals in any year, while Hickey has been in double figures every season. Longer’s best year (2017) he averaged 1 kick and 2 marks, while Hickey’s (2016) he averaged 5 kicks and 3 marks. Neither are amazing at ruckwork, but at least Hickey has the ability to be dangerous around the ground.
Hickey’s 2016 was very good and he was praised highly by many as a developing ruckman, he had performances in games that Longer could only dream of. What do you see in Longer that you think he is better investing time in than Hickey? I just don’t see it, to me the upside of Hickey is much higher than Longer.
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Longer is the worst first choice Ruckman in the league.
Simple as that.
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Yes, I still rate Billy, he had a good year last year, he provides much more than the uneducated eye on here see!!!!!Sainternist wrote:You still rate Longer after his performances in the first two rounds of the season? He has been bloody awful. A drover's dog would have been more useful. Apparently Hickey played well for Sandy. It's a no-brainer, Stoney!stonecold wrote:When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
As I said, I hope Hickey can get back to some form (2016 form), hope he does, posters talk about list clogger's, well he is one of the biggest we have if you look at his last 18 months, simple!!!!!
Mind you, if he gets in, I do hope he does well!!!!!
No hatred, just think the game has passed him by!!!!!
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No offense, but I think Billy needs to have a run at Sandy, at least until he proves himself as being worthy of being our #1 ruckman. Look at his stats for the last two games. His work rate right now simply isn't up to snuff.stonecold wrote:Yes, I still rate Billy, he had a good year last year, he provides much more than the uneducated eye on here see!!!!!Sainternist wrote:You still rate Longer after his performances in the first two rounds of the season? He has been bloody awful. A drover's dog would have been more useful. Apparently Hickey played well for Sandy. It's a no-brainer, Stoney!stonecold wrote:When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
As I said, I hope Hickey can get back to some form (2016 form), hope he does, posters talk about list clogger's, well he is one of the biggest we have if you look at his last 18 months, simple!!!!!
Mind you, if he gets in, I do hope he does well!!!!!
No hatred, just think the game has passed him by!!!!!
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None taken, Bill is clearly injured, has been for weeks!!!!!Sainternist wrote:No offense, but I think Billy needs to have a run at Sandy, at least until he proves himself as being worthy of being our #1 ruckman. Look at his stats for the last two games. His work rate right now simply isn't up to snuff.stonecold wrote:Yes, I still rate Billy, he had a good year last year, he provides much more than the uneducated eye on here see!!!!!Sainternist wrote:You still rate Longer after his performances in the first two rounds of the season? He has been bloody awful. A drover's dog would have been more useful. Apparently Hickey played well for Sandy. It's a no-brainer, Stoney!stonecold wrote:When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????Sainternist wrote:Yes, Hickey has got to come back into the team. Billy is nothing more than ballast for the team boat.
f****** 18 months ago, but let's see how he goes if he gets the opportunity!!!!!
Despite what some Cowboy's on here think, I hope he goes well, cause if he is s*** again, he has been a list Clogger for almost 2 years and giving us nothing in that time!!!!!
Lots on here better hope he can 'Walk the Walk', cause many of you seem to remember him as Simon Madden!!!!!
As I said, I hope Hickey can get back to some form (2016 form), hope he does, posters talk about list clogger's, well he is one of the biggest we have if you look at his last 18 months, simple!!!!!
Mind you, if he gets in, I do hope he does well!!!!!
No hatred, just think the game has passed him by!!!!!
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Hickey's had his fair share of injuries in the past 18 months. He is a far more skilful and mobile big man than Longer. Do people forget the two times Hickey beat Max Gawn? it seems so.
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He beat Gawn once and Max was injured, as I said, let's hope he goes well, if he gets picked, not like the putrid effort he put up last time he was gifted an opportunity!!!!!cwrcyn wrote:Hickey's had his fair share of injuries in the past 18 months. He is a far more skilful and mobile big man than Longer. Do people forget the two times Hickey beat Max Gawn? it seems so.
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Two questions:
As you say 18 months out of senior form or preference and you expect him to be brilliant (well at least to Billy's last examples)
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I expect him to compete,(physically), that's what he hasn't given ever, a physical contest!!!!!sunsaint wrote:Two questions:
As you say 18 months out of senior form or preference and you expect him to be brilliant (well at least to Billy's last examples)
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you "pulled the jumper" on many here would love to give you credit if you tell us you're an ex saints player
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You keep saying it but it’s just not true. Hickey’s game against the Eagles last year was better than any game that Longer has ever played.stonecold wrote:
When was the last time Hickey showed Anything?????
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Rubbish, you slip down to training and ask the mids!!!!!kosifantutti wrote:You keep saying it but it’s just not true. Hickey’s game against the Eagles last year was better than any game that Longer has ever played.stonecold wrote:
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I did, they said it was better than any game Longer ever played.
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More Rubbish, you clearly don't understand the modern game, all the best to you!!!!!kosifantutti wrote:I did, they said it was better than any game Longer ever played.
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Yes, all the teams are looking for ruckman who can’t take a mark or get a kick. I’m surprised they didn’t think of it years ago.
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Not worries Champion, all the best to ya!!!!!kosifantutti wrote:Yes, all the teams are looking for ruckman who can’t take a mark or get a kick. I’m surprised they didn’t think of it years ago.
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Ok putting the pieces togetherstonecold wrote:I expect him to compete,(physically), that's what he hasn't given ever, a physical contest!!!!!sunsaint wrote:Two questions:
As you say 18 months out of senior form or preference and you expect him to be brilliant (well at least to Billy's last examples)
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you "pulled the jumper" on many here would love to give you credit if you tell us you're an ex saints player
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Yoqu must have played next to Carl "elbows" Dietrich
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sunsaint wrote:Ok putting the pieces togetherstonecold wrote:I expect him to compete,(physically), that's what he hasn't given ever, a physical contest!!!!!sunsaint wrote:Two questions:
As you say 18 months out of senior form or preference and you expect him to be brilliant (well at least to Billy's last examples)
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you "pulled the jumper" on many here would love to give you credit if you tell us you're an ex saints player
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You just have played next to Carl "elbows" Dietrich
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Coolstonecold wrote:sunsaint wrote:Ok putting the pieces togetherstonecold wrote:I expect him to compete,(physically), that's what he hasn't given ever, a physical contest!!!!!sunsaint wrote:Two questions:
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You just have played next to Carl "elbows" Dietrich
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What's your wife's surname then?
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