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No one rates us
AFL Premiership odds is at 34 to 1 the 6 the highest return.
Clubs like Hawthorn and Collingwood ahead of us.
There are a few unknowns with Mc Cartin the biggest but that's really low expectations from the general football public.
Many of our players will his their straps this year I am sure of it.
Depth is strong with many players vying for spots with established players competing against emerging and even our top 2 picks who are higher level 1 st year players. That competition will drive this team along with so many starting to hit the 3-5 year range.
The lack of ready made recruits has seen us not rated by many it seems....
Missing finals is a possibility unfortunately but that would be a disapppintment I am sure...
Clubs like Hawthorn and Collingwood ahead of us.
There are a few unknowns with Mc Cartin the biggest but that's really low expectations from the general football public.
Many of our players will his their straps this year I am sure of it.
Depth is strong with many players vying for spots with established players competing against emerging and even our top 2 picks who are higher level 1 st year players. That competition will drive this team along with so many starting to hit the 3-5 year range.
The lack of ready made recruits has seen us not rated by many it seems....
Missing finals is a possibility unfortunately but that would be a disapppintment I am sure...
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Re: No one rates us
It doesn't matter what others think. Perception won't win you a premiership.
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Re: No one rates us
Cant blame them.
Not much exciting happpening in terms of player personnel.
And Richo...well enough said. Pleasing.
Not much exciting happpening in terms of player personnel.
And Richo...well enough said. Pleasing.
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Re: No one rates us
Not sure I even rate us. When the heat is genuinely applied we crumble embarrassingly. About the only game we stood up this year was the GWS game. The tiges game was awesome but it came from no where. When we played crunch games, ie against bombers, swans, cats we were smashed. Barely competitive.
I'm sorry, but I'm expecting very little this year but hoping against hope I'm wrong
I'm sorry, but I'm expecting very little this year but hoping against hope I'm wrong
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Re: No one rates us
Spot on, totally irrelevant the odds at this stage.saynta wrote:I am sure no one rated the tigers last year or the bullies the year before.
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Re: No one rates us
I would have thought that was a good thing. The so-called "experts" never get it right. Look back to last year's time capsules and predictions from the HS and The Age. No one picked the Tigers for the flag and only a couple out of about 50 picked them for the eight (Richmond supporters I suspect). The bookies always pump up the bigger clubs to attract a greater number of punters willing to back their team. Only one team can win, so it's a no-brainer for them. What does anyone know at this time of the year? Just read some of the rubbish and puff pieces the media puts out to fill space. Little or no research and even less first-hand knowledge. The competition is more even than ever. It's a lottery at best at this time of the year. We're as good as anyone else at this stage, I'd suggest.
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Re: No one rates us
At this stage? You mean people rated either of them after R23?Junior wrote:Spot on, totally irrelevant the odds at this stage.saynta wrote:I am sure no one rated the tigers last year or the bullies the year before.
I'm pretty happy when all is quiet at the club.
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Re: No one rates us
I love how you dismiss the Tiges game because it doesn't fit your argument. In my opinion it shows how competitive we are.Moods wrote:Not sure I even rate us. When the heat is genuinely applied we crumble embarrassingly. About the only game we stood up this year was the GWS game. The tiges game was awesome but it came from no where. When we played crunch games, ie against bombers, swans, cats we were smashed. Barely competitive.
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Re: No one rates us
I'd rather that no one rates us because it suits we're we are at. Look at what happened last year when we were expected to improve.
I'm glad that's the mainstream view but I reckon that a few footyheads in the know (ie think your Darren Parkin types) might think we could rise up the ladder quicky if things fall our way.
At the end of the day it means sweet FA.
I'm glad that's the mainstream view but I reckon that a few footyheads in the know (ie think your Darren Parkin types) might think we could rise up the ladder quicky if things fall our way.
At the end of the day it means sweet FA.
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Re: No one rates us
34's u say
sounds like grounds to have a syndicate of be lie vers then
a twenty each must add up to a decent little gamble
or even better , hunt the odds for '19 / 20
(if that sorta thing is available)
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sounds like grounds to have a syndicate of be lie vers then
a twenty each must add up to a decent little gamble
or even better , hunt the odds for '19 / 20
(if that sorta thing is available)
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Re: No one rates us
It’s not surprising .
We don’t currently have any AA quality players . Whilst some say nobody rated Richmond this time last year, they had Dusty and Rance as genuine AAs strongly supported by Cotchin and Reiwoldt.
We haven’t added any new players of recognised quality. Again, Richmond added Prestia and Caddy into their midfield - and got lucky with Nankervis. We’ve recruited Logan Austin.
So we are relying on the organic development of our youngsters .
At best we may have some incremental growth - meaning a small rise up the ladder. There isn’t enough new or additional talent coming online to warrant a view that we are going to make a major leap forward. I will be satisfied if we win can win say 12-13 games. Because I reckon we can win another couple more in 2019 just with organic development, and another 1-2 again in 2020 which then puts us well and truely in the frame for a top 4 finish - and then anything can happen.
We don’t currently have any AA quality players . Whilst some say nobody rated Richmond this time last year, they had Dusty and Rance as genuine AAs strongly supported by Cotchin and Reiwoldt.
We haven’t added any new players of recognised quality. Again, Richmond added Prestia and Caddy into their midfield - and got lucky with Nankervis. We’ve recruited Logan Austin.
So we are relying on the organic development of our youngsters .
At best we may have some incremental growth - meaning a small rise up the ladder. There isn’t enough new or additional talent coming online to warrant a view that we are going to make a major leap forward. I will be satisfied if we win can win say 12-13 games. Because I reckon we can win another couple more in 2019 just with organic development, and another 1-2 again in 2020 which then puts us well and truely in the frame for a top 4 finish - and then anything can happen.
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Re: No one rates us
Yep. Nothing has happened pre-season to make us think that suddenly we're going to surge up the ladder. If people believe that we have the quality of youngsters that the doggies had/have then I reckon they're dreaming. The tiges had bona fide stars. The stars win you big games when they play well. Once Roo was shot last year we had a dearth of talent underneath. They ALL need to step if we are to be any hope of making top 6.Zed wrote:It’s not surprising .
We don’t currently have any AA quality players . Whilst some say nobody rated Richmond this time last year, they had Dusty and Rance as genuine AAs strongly supported by Cotchin and Reiwoldt.
We haven’t added any new players of recognised quality. Again, Richmond added Prestia and Caddy into their midfield - and got lucky with Nankervis. We’ve recruited Logan Austin.
So we are relying on the organic development of our youngsters .
At best we may have some incremental growth - meaning a small rise up the ladder. There isn’t enough new or additional talent coming online to warrant a view that we are going to make a major leap forward. I will be satisfied if we win can win say 12-13 games. Because I reckon we can win another couple more in 2019 just with organic development, and another 1-2 again in 2020 which then puts us well and truely in the frame for a top 4 finish - and then anything can happen.
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This view isn't necessarily wrong, but it is very pessimistic.Moods wrote:Yep. Nothing has happened pre-season to make us think that suddenly we're going to surge up the ladder. If people believe that we have the quality of youngsters that the doggies had/have then I reckon they're dreaming. The tiges had bona fide stars. The stars win you big games when they play well. Once Roo was shot last year we had a dearth of talent underneath. They ALL need to step if we are to be any hope of making top 6.Zed wrote:It’s not surprising .
We don’t currently have any AA quality players . Whilst some say nobody rated Richmond this time last year, they had Dusty and Rance as genuine AAs strongly supported by Cotchin and Reiwoldt.
We haven’t added any new players of recognised quality. Again, Richmond added Prestia and Caddy into their midfield - and got lucky with Nankervis. We’ve recruited Logan Austin.
So we are relying on the organic development of our youngsters .
At best we may have some incremental growth - meaning a small rise up the ladder. There isn’t enough new or additional talent coming online to warrant a view that we are going to make a major leap forward. I will be satisfied if we win can win say 12-13 games. Because I reckon we can win another couple more in 2019 just with organic development, and another 1-2 again in 2020 which then puts us well and truely in the frame for a top 4 finish - and then anything can happen.
I hope you're not in charge of trying to flog memberships.
Dogs weren't a star studded line up and they still might fade into obscurity, flag notwithstanding
My Bulldog and Richmond 'mates' have been giving it to me over the last 12 months. Can't remember ever bragging about being a Saints supporter. Very short memories. Morons.
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I would be doing the same if we wonSaintPav wrote:This view isn't necessarily wrong, but it is very pessimistic.Moods wrote:Yep. Nothing has happened pre-season to make us think that suddenly we're going to surge up the ladder. If people believe that we have the quality of youngsters that the doggies had/have then I reckon they're dreaming. The tiges had bona fide stars. The stars win you big games when they play well. Once Roo was shot last year we had a dearth of talent underneath. They ALL need to step if we are to be any hope of making top 6.Zed wrote:It’s not surprising .
We don’t currently have any AA quality players . Whilst some say nobody rated Richmond this time last year, they had Dusty and Rance as genuine AAs strongly supported by Cotchin and Reiwoldt.
We haven’t added any new players of recognised quality. Again, Richmond added Prestia and Caddy into their midfield - and got lucky with Nankervis. We’ve recruited Logan Austin.
So we are relying on the organic development of our youngsters .
At best we may have some incremental growth - meaning a small rise up the ladder. There isn’t enough new or additional talent coming online to warrant a view that we are going to make a major leap forward. I will be satisfied if we win can win say 12-13 games. Because I reckon we can win another couple more in 2019 just with organic development, and another 1-2 again in 2020 which then puts us well and truely in the frame for a top 4 finish - and then anything can happen.
I hope you're not in charge of trying to flog memberships.
Dogs weren't a star studded line up and they still might fade into obscurity, flag notwithstanding
My Bulldog and Richmond 'mates' have been giving it to me over the last 12 months. Can't remember ever bragging about being a Saints supporter. Very short memories. Morons.
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Re: No one rates us
I think people were too quick to cover their own b@cksides in relation to dogsSaintPav wrote:
Dogs weren't a star studded line up and they still might fade into obscurity, flag notwithstanding
My Bulldog and Richmond 'mates' have been giving it to me over the last 12 months. Can't remember ever bragging about being a Saints supporter. Very short memories. Morons.
leading into their premiership season they had three AA in 2015 another two in '16
Bontempelli and Boyd hit their much lauded straps And a back line that was rock solid
Massive improvement in players like Libba, Dalhaus Picken and caleb daniel.
Richmond also had AA regulars and match winners
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As a supporter we all see "improvement" in our own but thats a massive difference between rising above the rest of the comp
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our midfield is mostly young and improving Ross, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Sinclair, Steven, Steele, Armitage, Stevens, Weller
surprise packets are possible in Freeman, Clark, Coffield, Long
Gilbert, Webster, Newnes and Savage can also run through there
surprise packets are possible in Freeman, Clark, Coffield, Long
Gilbert, Webster, Newnes and Savage can also run through there
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Re: No one rates us
See for me the challenge for us is in this list...BackFromUSA wrote:our midfield is mostly young and improving Ross, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Sinclair, Steven, Steele, Armitage, Stevens, Weller
surprise packets are possible in Freeman, Clark, Coffield, Long
Gilbert, Webster, Newnes and Savage can also run through there
Acres, Dunstan, Newnes, Webster, Armitage, Savage and throw in Weller are players that seem highly rated internally and amongst fans but IMO don’t garner nearly as much respite outside of the club
Steele and Sincs are regarded as close to our best but again... seem to not be rated that highly outside the club
Some of these guys have got to take some serious steps
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Re: No one rates us
not sure anyone rates steele and sincs as close to our best - just kids with a lot of upside. here's our top 15 player rating from AFL.com. Biased against defenders and cumulative, so Carlisle (missing a year), Geary, and Roberton ranked lower then they are. But they give an idea. As expected Steven and Ross lead the way, but others may surprise.skeptic wrote:See for me the challenge for us is in this list...BackFromUSA wrote:our midfield is mostly young and improving Ross, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Sinclair, Steven, Steele, Armitage, Stevens, Weller
surprise packets are possible in Freeman, Clark, Coffield, Long
Gilbert, Webster, Newnes and Savage can also run through there
Acres, Dunstan, Newnes, Webster, Armitage, Savage and throw in Weller are players that seem highly rated internally and amongst fans but IMO don’t garner nearly as much respite outside of the club
Steele and Sincs are regarded as close to our best but again... seem to not be rated that highly outside the club
Some of these guys have got to take some serious steps
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Re: No one rates us
A forward line of Skunk, Baroose, and Paddy (?)
can beat a defence of any team in the bottom 8.
But Baroose, after having a great 2015, fell away in 2016 to just a battler
that didn't produce much. 2017 was as bad, instead of improving.
Paddy- don't think he'll play 6 games in total.
End of 2018 this post will be bumped.
Battle and one or 2 others may show some talent around goals.
So our forwards can beat Lions, Blues, Norf, and nobody else.
Skunk n Billings will be asked to do the work of the other underachievers- too much pressure on them.
We are worse now than anytime since 2011.
Face facts.
can beat a defence of any team in the bottom 8.
But Baroose, after having a great 2015, fell away in 2016 to just a battler
that didn't produce much. 2017 was as bad, instead of improving.
Paddy- don't think he'll play 6 games in total.
End of 2018 this post will be bumped.
Battle and one or 2 others may show some talent around goals.
So our forwards can beat Lions, Blues, Norf, and nobody else.
Skunk n Billings will be asked to do the work of the other underachievers- too much pressure on them.
We are worse now than anytime since 2011.
Face facts.
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Wow what a crap post!WellardSaint wrote:A forward line of Skunk, Baroose, and Paddy (?)
can beat a defence of any team in the bottom 8.
But Baroose, after having a great 2015, fell away in 2016 to just a battler
that didn't produce much. 2017 was as bad, instead of improving.
Paddy- don't think he'll play 6 games in total.
End of 2018 this post will be bumped.
Battle and one or 2 others may show some talent around goals.
So our forwards can beat Lions, Blues, Norf, and nobody else.
Skunk n Billings will be asked to do the work of the other underachievers- too much pressure on them.
We are worse now than anytime since 2011.
Face facts.
Do you forget to take your meds?
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