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I know it's Captain Obvious stuff, but it kind of hurts hearing it come from him.
Nick Dal Santo wrote:“I know Rooey (Nick Riewoldt) it wasn’t the best year he has ever had. Leigh Montagna was not at his best anymore. Sean Dempster didn’t play this year, but overall I don’t know how they are going to fill those voids.”
And Dal's not one who is usually given to hyperbole.
"Is this the right room for an argument?"
"I told you once."
"No, you didn't."
"Yes, I did."
"Listen, an argument isn't just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says, it's a series of statements designed to support a particular conclusion."
"No, it isn't."
"Oh, I've had enough of this."
"No you haven't"
"Oh shut up."
BackFromUSA wrote:How did we fare after Lockett left? Made the 1997 Grand Final.
How did we fare after Harvey left? Made the 2009 Grand Final.
Players will step up and fill the void.
Where did those 3 champions finish in this years B&F ... and we got 11 wins from a hard FIXture.
They guided in the next generation.
Plenty of improvements left within our list.
On track.
Spot on our improvement needs to come from the younger players we have.
Love Dal but Dempster did not play, Joey could no longer kick over a jam tin and Rooey could not change direction. As good as all three of these guys were they were not going yo be the answer next year.
A champion team will always beat a team of champions.
I agree with the jigster and I will tell you where the improvement will come from.
For a start from our injured and unavailable players in 2017, McCartin, Armitage, Freeman and Goddard and from our improving younger players in Billings, Acres, Steele and White.
Chuck in improved goal kicking ability courtesy of Ben Dixon, a bit of luck with picks 7 and 8 and I think we are finals bound,
saynta wrote:I agree with the jigster and I will tell you where the improvement will come from.
For a start from our injured and unavailable players in 2017, McCartin, Armitage, Freeman and Goddard and from our improving younger players in Billings, Acres, Steele and White.
Chuck in improved goal kicking ability courtesy of Ben Dixon, a bit of luck with picks 7 and 8 and I think we are finals bound,
So f*** you Nicky dal.
So a truly great St Kilda footballer expresses an opinion on how St Kilda will cope without some of his old teammates, which not only differs from your opinion, but somehow OFFENDS you.
And you think it's perfectly appropriate to scream F*** You at him?
saynta wrote:I agree with the jigster and I will tell you where the improvement will come from.
For a start from our injured and unavailable players in 2017, McCartin, Armitage, Freeman and Goddard and from our improving younger players in Billings, Acres, Steele and White.
Chuck in improved goal kicking ability courtesy of Ben Dixon, a bit of luck with picks 7 and 8 and I think we are finals bound,
So f*** you Nicky dal.
That's a bit harsh for having an opinion. It will certainly interesting not having those blokes there but a good thing as they were stifling the team.
saynta wrote:I agree with the jigster and I will tell you where the improvement will come from.
For a start from our injured and unavailable players in 2017, McCartin, Armitage, Freeman and Goddard and from our improving younger players in Billings, Acres, Steele and White.
Chuck in improved goal kicking ability courtesy of Ben Dixon, a bit of luck with picks 7 and 8 and I think we are finals bound,
So f*** you Nicky dal.
So a truly great St Kilda footballer expresses an opinion on how St Kilda will cope without some of his old teammates, which not only differs from your opinion, but somehow OFFENDS you.
And you think it's perfectly appropriate to scream F*** You at him?
yep. and I like dal. , So you do know what I think you can do, don't you, cause I don't know or like you.
Anyway, I think jigster shares my view. Why don't you have a go at him, hero.
saynta wrote:I agree with the jigster and I will tell you where the improvement will come from.
For a start from our injured and unavailable players in 2017, McCartin, Armitage, Freeman and Goddard and from our improving younger players in Billings, Acres, Steele and White.
Chuck in improved goal kicking ability courtesy of Ben Dixon, a bit of luck with picks 7 and 8 and I think we are finals bound,
So f*** you Nicky dal.
That's a bit harsh for having an opinion. It will certainly interesting not having those blokes there but a good thing as they were stifling the team.
I am sick of the knockers on this forum and then to top it off have one of our own in the media start knocking us too is a bit much. Won''t do much for our membership and the guy's supposed to be coacking the saints youngsters. Not a good look.
Anyway, I feel free to express my opinions within the rules. I am sure the mods will let me know if I overstep.
Apart from them, I don't really give a rats what any other poster thinks about what I post.
I do agree with your last comment though, as sad as it is, it was the truth.
I'm pretty happy with the list and 7 & 8 will compliment.
After this year my only concern is the coaching and game style. That needs the most improvement in 2018 - weren't in enough games to even give a solid crack.
Dal Santo played some superb football at St Kilda but he was one of the reasons we did not achieve the ultimate because a tag saw his performance seriously wane
He just could not work thru hard attention hence an ordinary record in finals, which is where you are measured
Hence to North Melbourne, who ultimately retired him absent the premiership he went there to achieve - and, in fact, from winning their first 10 games in 2016 the wheels fell off and badly
Riewoldt battled injury which very significantly impacted on his performances but, of more importance, could not play the mid field role he performed in 2016, allowing Mc Cartin, Bruce and Membrey to develop their chemistry
Dempster did not play
Montagna had a variable season, finally cruelled by injury
All these players were well into their 30's and announced their retirements - different to Dal Santo at North Melbourne where the Club announced his Contract would not be extended because the focus was on youth
So perhaps some sour grapes
With Goddard, whose on field demeanour would not have been consistent with mentoring, St Kilda did not attempt to retain Dal Santo and that decision was correct in both instances
The future is with the First Round Draft Picks we have had post Richardson, those we have traded for being Carlisle and Freeman and the experience of Gilbert, Armitage and Steven
Then we have those who were lacking opportunity elsewhere and who have performed given that opportunity
We need a little bit more but we have 7 and 8, both higher Picks that Dal Santo was plus we have a war chest for the right FA player if available
Perhaps this is code for North Melbourne and moving Dal Santo on given NM's performance in 2017
The only shame is that we only played North Melbourne once in 2017
To the top wrote:Dal Santo played some superb football at St Kilda but he was one of the reasons we did not achieve the ultimate because a tag saw his performance seriously wane
He just could not work thru hard attention hence an ordinary record in finals, which is where you are measured
Hence to North Melbourne, who ultimately retired him absent the premiership he went there to achieve - and, in fact, from winning their first 10 games in 2016 the wheels fell off and badly
Riewoldt battled injury which very significantly impacted on his performances but, of more importance, could not play the mid field role he performed in 2016, allowing Mc Cartin, Bruce and Membrey to develop their chemistry
Dempster did not play
Montagna had a variable season, finally cruelled by injury
All these players were well into their 30's and announced their retirements - different to Dal Santo at North Melbourne where the Club announced his Contract would not be extended because the focus was on youth
So perhaps some sour grapes
With Goddard, whose on field demeanour would not have been consistent with mentoring, St Kilda did not attempt to retain Dal Santo and that decision was correct in both instances
The future is with the First Round Draft Picks we have had post Richardson, those we have traded for being Carlisle and Freeman and the experience of Gilbert, Armitage and Steven
Then we have those who were lacking opportunity elsewhere and who have performed given that opportunity
We need a little bit more but we have 7 and 8, both higher Picks that Dal Santo was plus we have a war chest for the right FA player if available
Perhaps this is code for North Melbourne and moving Dal Santo on given NM's performance in 2017
The only shame is that we only played North Melbourne once in 2017
Don't get people that think we will improve from within and finals are finals bound. Every team with a young list will get better. All the sides around our position have already improved their list by trading except Collingwood.
Seriously, not one person picked Richmond to even make the 8 for season 2017 and to actually finish lower than 13th. Guess what happened by the end of GF day.
We smashed them too in one game. Yes, they have about 3-4 A grade guns but the other 18 players in their best side are nothing special. I reckon ours are actually better overall.
With a few little clicks and changes, players stepping up, things can turn around very quickly for any side. We are actually in a way better position at the end of this year compared to what the Tigers were at the end of 2016. Massively ahead. Something to ponder.
1997 for the Saints came out of nowhere. Why can't it happen again?
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud
In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes and the St Kilda FC
parkeysainter wrote:Seriously, not one person picked Richmond to even make the 8 for season 2017 and to actually finish lower than 13th. Guess what happened by the end of GF day.
We smashed them too in one game. Yes, they have about 3-4 A grade guns but the other 18 players in their best side are nothing special. I reckon ours are actually better overall.
With a few little clicks and changes, players stepping up, things can turn around very quickly for any side. We are actually in a way better position at the end of this year compared to what the Tigers were at the end of 2016. Massively ahead. Something to ponder.
1997 for the Saints came out of nowhere. Why can't it happen again?
It CAN happen again. Of course it can. Talent is spread thinly across the league these days, which is how
teams like Richmond and the Bulldogs can win flags largely on passion.
Cold clinical analysis, however, says that our side lacks class. It's certainly nowhere near the class of 1997 or 2005 or 2009.
Dal is a paid AFL commentator and has every right to state the blindingly obvious.
I wonder how these comments have gone down with the club, seeing as Dal is on the development team. Could it be the old rev up, or does he really believe we are stagnating? If the latter, it might have been more prudent to keep his comments to himself and make sure he's doing his job properly.
"Is this the right room for an argument?"
"I told you once."
"No, you didn't."
"Yes, I did."
"Listen, an argument isn't just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says, it's a series of statements designed to support a particular conclusion."
"No, it isn't."
"Oh, I've had enough of this."
"No you haven't"
"Oh shut up."
Those people on here having a crack at Dal for giving his opinion would be the first to suck up to him if they met him on the street.
Dal loves the Saints and clearly has concerns about their direction.