Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
the right strategy
hmmm
the two (good) kids argument
plus
new kids into our current player mix
(itself still to find its feet without the old leadership about
would execute that task easier without a
couple of 'outsiders' into the mix)
sort of a transfer of ownership year
has a touch of the right move about it u'd feel
give our existing crew a season to grab it by the balls
then add the pirates
hmmm
the two (good) kids argument
plus
new kids into our current player mix
(itself still to find its feet without the old leadership about
would execute that task easier without a
couple of 'outsiders' into the mix)
sort of a transfer of ownership year
has a touch of the right move about it u'd feel
give our existing crew a season to grab it by the balls
then add the pirates
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
I've been pretty much waiting for this announcement...surely this has got to be the way to go? Both clubs will have thought of it, they're just waiting to see who will blink first?st.byron wrote:Just read this in The Age,
"The Saints have offered the contracted Tomlinson a four-year deal to join them but have told the Giants their two first-round draft picks – selections 7 and 8 – are not available and they would offer their future second-round pick and possibly a third-round pick this year for the player."
Any possibility of Hickey being traded to GWS if Mumford retires as part of a deal for Tomlinson?
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
We might have 200cm players on our list being Marshall, Hickey, Holmes, Longer and Pierce but to then expand that to saying we have 5 ruckmen and then expanding that to us having 5 AFL class ruckmen is just a nonsense
Do you guys actually want to support a side that will be there when the whips are cracking in the cauldren which is an AFL Grand Final?
If so , Hickey fit and in the form that had him inside our top 10 in 2016 is the only one of those listed you would want to see on the field on the last Saturday in September
The rest just do not cut it and on what we have seen will not
That is the reason 3 of those have played less than 10 games beteeen them over the last 3 seasons
And the reason a severely underdone Hickey was rested after an absence ahead of Longer being in doubt with concussion
Given the problems Hickey was battling why weren't Holmes, Marshall or Pierce selected?
I will repeat that Hickey leaving will be a disaster for St Kilda and even moreso than Mc Evoy who ahead of being released had been surpassed by the more athletic Hickey
Then Hickey ran to his problems which saw him sent to the USA ahead of the 2016 season - and look at what we got
So we badly need him fit
And I will repeat that when we pushed Sydney pre season Armitage and Hickey were our best
Without them, a rookie ruckman was being played through including having fun sitting on Longer's shoulders taking marks and running around the ground to be high in Sydney's best in a crushing win at Docklands
Do you guys actually want to support a side that will be there when the whips are cracking in the cauldren which is an AFL Grand Final?
If so , Hickey fit and in the form that had him inside our top 10 in 2016 is the only one of those listed you would want to see on the field on the last Saturday in September
The rest just do not cut it and on what we have seen will not
That is the reason 3 of those have played less than 10 games beteeen them over the last 3 seasons
And the reason a severely underdone Hickey was rested after an absence ahead of Longer being in doubt with concussion
Given the problems Hickey was battling why weren't Holmes, Marshall or Pierce selected?
I will repeat that Hickey leaving will be a disaster for St Kilda and even moreso than Mc Evoy who ahead of being released had been surpassed by the more athletic Hickey
Then Hickey ran to his problems which saw him sent to the USA ahead of the 2016 season - and look at what we got
So we badly need him fit
And I will repeat that when we pushed Sydney pre season Armitage and Hickey were our best
Without them, a rookie ruckman was being played through including having fun sitting on Longer's shoulders taking marks and running around the ground to be high in Sydney's best in a crushing win at Docklands
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
Any chance of combining two or more of picks 45, 59 and 63 to move up the order.
One pick in the early 30s is more likely to produce an elite player than 3 down the back of the draft pack.
How did Melbourne get to sell both their first rounder and their later rounder all from the 2018 draft ?
One pick in the early 30s is more likely to produce an elite player than 3 down the back of the draft pack.
How did Melbourne get to sell both their first rounder and their later rounder all from the 2018 draft ?
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
If that's the case, then I don't think our offer to GWS is realistic.st.byron wrote:Just read this in The Age,
"The Saints have offered the contracted Tomlinson a four-year deal to join them but have told the Giants their two first-round draft picks – selections 7 and 8 – are not available and they would offer their future second-round pick and possibly a third-round pick this year for the player."
Any possibility of Hickey being traded to GWS if Mumford retires as part of a deal for Tomlinson?
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
I will put this as simply as I can for you.To the top wrote:We might have 200cm players on our list being Marshall, Hickey, Holmes, Longer and Pierce but to then expand that to saying we have 5 ruckmen and then expanding that to us having 5 AFL class ruckmen is just a nonsense
Do you guys actually want to support a side that will be there when the whips are cracking in the cauldren which is an AFL Grand Final?
We do not need 5 ruckman. No AFL team needs 5 ruckamn on its list.
Holmes can be delisted.
PS: If we improve to be good enough to make a GF and need a ruckman then getting a ruckman is out of all the positions in the team is the easiest position to get.
Which is why most teams who have won flags in recent times have won them with imported ruckman. Nankervis, Boyd, Hale, McEvoy Jolly (at two teams), Ottens etc etc
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
seems right to me... way way down the list in their best and fairest... 2nd rounder is what we should offerLinton Lodger wrote:If that's the case, then I don't think our offer to GWS is realistic.st.byron wrote:Just read this in The Age,
"The Saints have offered the contracted Tomlinson a four-year deal to join them but have told the Giants their two first-round draft picks – selections 7 and 8 – are not available and they would offer their future second-round pick and possibly a third-round pick this year for the player."
Any possibility of Hickey being traded to GWS if Mumford retires as part of a deal for Tomlinson?
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
I really can't see how we would get a better outcome by trading than taking 7 and 8 to the draft right now. We can be guaranteed access to two of Stephenson, Cerra, Higgins, Coffield and Brayshaw who are all quality young players who would improve our team in the next couple of years.
Get one of Collins, Talia or Austin for free and focus on bringing in elite talent with our early picks. I'm disappointed that we didn't go after FA's like Trengove and Motlop or land Kelly but there's no point in paying overs for a GOP like Tomlinson.
Get one of Collins, Talia or Austin for free and focus on bringing in elite talent with our early picks. I'm disappointed that we didn't go after FA's like Trengove and Motlop or land Kelly but there's no point in paying overs for a GOP like Tomlinson.
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+1. Totally agree.mad saint guy wrote:I really can't see how we would get a better outcome by trading than taking 7 and 8 to the draft right now. We can be guaranteed access to two of Stephenson, Cerra, Higgins, Coffield and Brayshaw who are all quality young players who would improve our team in the next couple of years.
Get one of Collins, Talia or Austin for free and focus on bringing in elite talent with our early picks. I'm disappointed that we didn't go after FA's like Trengove and Motlop or land Kelly but there's no point in paying overs for a GOP like Tomlinson.
You'd think Tomlinson was Alex Rance with some of the carry on here.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
Bains didn't do anything last year.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.
This year we have also done stuff all.
I just hope we are investing heavily in intelligence on the draft.
We need to get the draft right.
Forget Bains. He has made some idiotic contract decisions. Totally over rated on here.
We need our recruiters to do their job.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.
This year we have also done stuff all.
I just hope we are investing heavily in intelligence on the draft.
We need to get the draft right.
Forget Bains. He has made some idiotic contract decisions. Totally over rated on here.
We need our recruiters to do their job.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
We have 3 rick men peirce and marshal are being used as kpp’s at both ends watch a vfl game matesaintsRrising wrote:I will put this as simply as I can for you.To the top wrote:We might have 200cm players on our list being Marshall, Hickey, Holmes, Longer and Pierce but to then expand that to saying we have 5 ruckmen and then expanding that to us having 5 AFL class ruckmen is just a nonsense
Do you guys actually want to support a side that will be there when the whips are cracking in the cauldren which is an AFL Grand Final?
We do not need 5 ruckman. No AFL team needs 5 ruckamn on its list.
Holmes can be delisted.
PS: If we improve to be good enough to make a GF and need a ruckman then getting a ruckman is out of all the positions in the team is the easiest position to get.
Which is why most teams who have won flags in recent times have won them with imported ruckman. Nankervis, Boyd, Hale, McEvoy Jolly (at two teams), Ottens etc etc
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
Harsh on Bains.Con Gorozidis wrote:Bains didn't do anything last year.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.
This year we have also done stuff all.
I just hope we are investing heavily in intelligence on the draft.
We need to get the draft right.
Forget Bains. He has made some idiotic contract decisions. Totally over rated on here.
We need our recruiters to do their job.
He surely signs up the players he's been told to sign up.
We haven't lost a single good player to poaching from other teams.
He landed the trade that got us pick 7 by playing his cards well.
Apart from a pick upgrade this year I don't think we would do better than holding our picks, and possibly try to get Tomlinson cheaply.
What would you prefer him to do?
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
You need quality control - would Tomlinson improve our run and carry?
Would he add something special?
Our recruiters need to take what I call an "additive" approach.
Haynes would be "additive".. Tomlinson, "subtractive" (we would lose the run and carry we would otherwise get from someone like Haynes).
You don't get ahead by standing still - so Tomlinson should not be considered (to my way of thinking)?
By the same token (at the risk of stating the obvious), having 5 ruckmen, or 10 half back flankers is not additive - having 1 quality ruckman and 2 quality half back flankers is.
Would he add something special?
Our recruiters need to take what I call an "additive" approach.
Haynes would be "additive".. Tomlinson, "subtractive" (we would lose the run and carry we would otherwise get from someone like Haynes).
You don't get ahead by standing still - so Tomlinson should not be considered (to my way of thinking)?
By the same token (at the risk of stating the obvious), having 5 ruckmen, or 10 half back flankers is not additive - having 1 quality ruckman and 2 quality half back flankers is.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
Depends how the club uses him...does he have to play in the same position GWS play him? E.g. Bruce in defence. If he does, can he release someone else to fulfil a run and carry role...I'd say we have a few of them that can. We're going pretty hard for him, so the club obviously have a strong vision...even though some would prefer we sat and waited for Hawthornsamoht wrote:You need quality control - would Tomlinson improve our run and carry?
Would he add something special?
Our recruiters need to take what I call an "additive" approach.
Haynes would be "additive".. Tomlinson, "subtractive" (we would lose the run and carry we would otherwise get from someone like Haynes).
You don't get ahead by standing still - so Tomlinson should not be considered (to my way of thinking)?
By the same token, having 5 ruckmen, or 10 half back flankers is not additive - having 1 quality ruckman and 2 quality half back flankers is.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
As players being in contract doesn't seem to matter any more to the trading merry-go-round, why aren't we still going after Kelly? 7 & 8 should do it.
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The great (and extant) Reginald Dwight also summed it up beautifully when he wrote "And I think it's gonna be a long long time" about trade week.Drake Huggins wrote:To quote the late, great, Farouk Bulsara, "Nothing really matters, anyone can see. Nothing really matters. Nothing really matters.....to me." Just about sums up the trade period for me.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
We got two second round picks (Long and Battle) from that deal as well - so how was it not a good deal?Con Gorozidis wrote:Bains didn't do anything last year.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.
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Re: Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)
Was a good deal. Which I've said a million times.saint64 wrote:We got two second round picks (Long and Battle) from that deal as well - so how was it not a good deal?Con Gorozidis wrote:Bains didn't do anything last year.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.
But it didn't require any genius from Bains.
He just sat there. Right place and right time. Hawks were desperate.