Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
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Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
See Seb Ross' stats over his six years:
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... _Ross.html
All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today. Seb can't run, can't kick, can't get the football, can't play midfield, etc.
I think his rise can also potentially be paralleled by the likes of others such as Dunstan, Billings and Acres in the next 2 years. I actually believe the three of them are ahead of Seb at the end of the 4 year mark in their careers in comparison. That is very exciting in itself. I also believe Gresham is way ahead of all the above in comparison at the same point in their careers which is even more exciting to fathom. He has just finished his 2nd year!
Anothet point....kids need to be given time to mature and to be able to withstand the rigours of AFL footy. Seb is a classic example of this and the benefits that can be reaped from it. He has another 7-10 top class seasons in him now. It's a massive win.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... _Ross.html
All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today. Seb can't run, can't kick, can't get the football, can't play midfield, etc.
I think his rise can also potentially be paralleled by the likes of others such as Dunstan, Billings and Acres in the next 2 years. I actually believe the three of them are ahead of Seb at the end of the 4 year mark in their careers in comparison. That is very exciting in itself. I also believe Gresham is way ahead of all the above in comparison at the same point in their careers which is even more exciting to fathom. He has just finished his 2nd year!
Anothet point....kids need to be given time to mature and to be able to withstand the rigours of AFL footy. Seb is a classic example of this and the benefits that can be reaped from it. He has another 7-10 top class seasons in him now. It's a massive win.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I don't know what it proves. Is it self motivation, is it our club's development and training staff, is it the assistant coaches and head cockroach that played a big part? I think Seb has benefited from a fantastic club culture over the last few years and he feels like he belongs.parkeysainter wrote:See Seb Ross' stats over his six years:
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players ... _Ross.html
All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today. Seb can't run, can't kick, can't get the football, can't play midfield, etc.
I think his rise can also potentially be paralleled by the likes of others such as Dunstan, Billings and Acres in the next 2 years. I actually believe the three of them are ahead of Seb at the end of the 4 year mark in their careers in comparison. That is very exciting in itself. I also believe Gresham is way ahead of all the above in comparison at the same point in their careers which is even more exciting to fathom. He has just finished his 2nd year!
Anothet point....kids need to be given time to mature and to be able to withstand the rigours of AFL footy. Seb is a classic example of this and the benefits that can be reaped from it. He has another 7-10 top class seasons in him now. It's a massive win.
Does it mean perhaps that kids from the bush do it tougher than the city peeps, and therefore are mentally tougher. Con G will love me for saying that, but then again...
It might go to prove that kids from good families and with good character will work harder to give themselves every opportunity. Con G will hate me for saying that. He has seen that the club was in rebuild and that there were guys around him whereby they all needed to play a part for the team to improve and he embraced that. He also took it upon himself to be a leader.
If you expand on the 'good character' trait it might also mean that youngsters need to mentored well and the club has a part to play in welfare. Youngsters that perhaps have a good life balance and have interests outside of football that are complimentary also assists them to focus on becoming better footballers. Maybe...
Anyhow, Well done to Seb
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Might also prove that other potential B*F contenders had either poor or inconsistent seasons or were over the hill!
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Improved consistently in a team where too many under-performed IMO. I hope he can get AA next season- just needs to be a bit more attacking in his game.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Said it took him a couple of years before it clicked with him what was needed to be successful.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
it proves he has a lot of ability
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I can't go for this kind of inductive reasoning. It took Seb a few seasons and now he has played 2 very good seasons. But that's all. For every player like Seb who was unremarkable for 4 seasons and at a crossroads, as many fail as succeed.
Good on him. magnifisaint is right that it proves Seb is a very good player.
But one example absolutely cannot be the foundation for some kind of general law of player development.
Good on him. magnifisaint is right that it proves Seb is a very good player.
But one example absolutely cannot be the foundation for some kind of general law of player development.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
It's true that many fail, but it does prove that you can't judge players until they get to about their 5th year. Jack Steven, Brendon Goddard and many others have been the same.carn_sainter wrote:I can't go for this kind of inductive reasoning. It took Seb a few seasons and now he has played 2 very good seasons. But that's all. For every player like Seb who was unremarkable for 4 seasons and at a crossroads, as many fail as succeed.
Good on him. magnifisaint is right that it proves Seb is a very good player.
But one example absolutely cannot be the foundation for some kind of general law of player development.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I think Seb can go up another level as well.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
It proves I was wrong. Humbly aplogise. Well done Seb. I will and have reserved my early calls on players since.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Agreed.saint-stu wrote:It's true that many fail, but it does prove that you can't judge players until they get to about their 5th year. Jack Steven, Brendon Goddard and many others have been the same.carn_sainter wrote:I can't go for this kind of inductive reasoning. It took Seb a few seasons and now he has played 2 very good seasons. But that's all. For every player like Seb who was unremarkable for 4 seasons and at a crossroads, as many fail as succeed.
Good on him. magnifisaint is right that it proves Seb is a very good player.
But one example absolutely cannot be the foundation for some kind of general law of player development.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Agreed.saint-stu wrote:It's true that many fail, but it does prove that you can't judge players until they get to about their 5th year. Jack Steven, Brendon Goddard and many others have been the same.carn_sainter wrote:I can't go for this kind of inductive reasoning. It took Seb a few seasons and now he has played 2 very good seasons. But that's all. For every player like Seb who was unremarkable for 4 seasons and at a crossroads, as many fail as succeed.
Good on him. magnifisaint is right that it proves Seb is a very good player.
But one example absolutely cannot be the foundation for some kind of general law of player development.
Trying to get Saints fans to also realise it might take young fellas like Paddy, Goddard, McKenzie, Long, etc. a couple of more years to still come good.
There is an old Chinese proverb:
"One moment of patience may ward off great disaster. One moment of impatience may ruin a whole life."
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Definitely. Seb is an accumulator at present. Gets a lot of the ball but not super damaging. In the next season or two we'll see more attacking flair as his confidence grows from belonging at AFL level to dominating at AFL level. Those 30+ possession games will turn into 30+ possessions and 1 to 3 goal games. He's going to be a beauty and legend of the club. Calling it now.SaintPav wrote:I think Seb can go up another level as well.
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Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
There were a few, not a lot, but a small number,Con Gorozidis wrote:Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
who didn't have Seb in the 'dud' club a la Lonie or TDL,
but they did express little confidence in him and said
he could be traded for a better player.
As I recall.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I recall there was plenty of talk that he was off to Essendon.MickThomas wrote:There were a few, not a lot, but a small number,Con Gorozidis wrote:Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
who didn't have Seb in the 'dud' club a la Lonie or TDL,
but they did express little confidence in him and said
he could be traded for a better player.
As I recall.
But that is different to 'de-listing'.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
It proves if he is our best then we may be in trouble...the talent drops off a fair bit.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Ok I stand corrected.Con Gorozidis wrote:I recall there was plenty of talk that he was off to Essendon.MickThomas wrote:There were a few, not a lot, but a small number,Con Gorozidis wrote:Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
who didn't have Seb in the 'dud' club a la Lonie or TDL,
but they did express little confidence in him and said
he could be traded for a better player.
As I recall.
But that is different to 'de-listing'.
The Injectors suggestion was based on being related to Jab Watson, with posters really stretching assumptions badly.
2020 was an aberration, when we travelled twice to Adelaide and won both, beat Tigers early, beat our bogey Swans. 2021 we've returned to our old ways. Damn
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I remember many a Saint fan indicating as such. Not a majority of course but the minority of idiots that don't understand footy. Plus they're always the loudest of course. Tis why I can't stand going to the footy sometimes.Con Gorozidis wrote:Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Totally agree. Potential Brownlow top 3 material, especially if the Saints push higher up the ladder and win more games.stkfc1 wrote:Definitely. Seb is an accumulator at present. Gets a lot of the ball but not super damaging. In the next season or two we'll see more attacking flair as his confidence grows from belonging at AFL level to dominating at AFL level. Those 30+ possession games will turn into 30+ possessions and 1 to 3 goal games. He's going to be a beauty and legend of the club. Calling it now.SaintPav wrote:I think Seb can go up another level as well.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Traded though.Con Gorozidis wrote:Which was all of nobody.All those people calling for him to be delisted a couple of years back must be eating humble pie today.
Cant remember anyone ever calling for him to be de-listed.
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All australian top 40, top 6 or 7 in every important stat in the AFL, quick, tough, great hands, reads the play well, runs all day. Yep we are in loads of troubleThe Fireman wrote:It proves if he is our best then we may be in trouble...the talent drops off a fair bit.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
I have generally been a fan of Seb's throughout his AFL and have never wanted him traded. In recent years I was critical of his lack of leg speed. He's obviously worked hard on fixing that - or at least has improved his capacity to spread quickly from a contest.
Now my only criticism of Seb is that he turns the ball over too often. If he fixes that, then he can become a genuine AA - but he's still a way off in my opinion.
Now my only criticism of Seb is that he turns the ball over too often. If he fixes that, then he can become a genuine AA - but he's still a way off in my opinion.
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
Ross is a deserving winner in 2017 and played several influential games
My concern however is that we finished mid table and, by my reading at least, some of the names in our 10 leading vote winners reflect where we finished on the ladder and our percentage being less than 100, again
And this is where the progress of the likes of Freeman, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, Goddard plus the return of Armitage are vital to the side progressing
These players have to start pushing into our top 10 - which reflects approximately half our side
Plus the likes of White who to me shows the necessary
We can not rely on Draft Picks 7 and 8 to immediately impact on the side with the best outcome in 2018 being these players gain experience as support players
Of our top 10 this season my assessment is that 4 of them need to be put under pressure to retain their positions in the side for us to go to the next level in 2018 and onwards
Particularly the likes of Bruce need to start influencing the results of games - and I would not necessarily look for that to be as a key forward if he can regain his athletic mojo
Then there is Battle where the question will be put to him in 2018 you would expect
Then we get to our rucks noting the reliances put on ruck divisions during the 2017 finals series probably vindicated the views of a former Coach
They have to have influence in field play
Given the influx of names who contributed little in 2017 for reasons and some others replicating the trajectory of Ross plus the cream on the cake from the Draft I would look for improvement in 2018 even allowing for the retirements of Riewoldt and Montagna
But all other sides will be looking to improve as well so there is the challenge
In regards the craving for a super star, St Kilda has not lacked super stars across its history but its record is as abysmal as it is
Perhaps there is a message there somewhere
My concern however is that we finished mid table and, by my reading at least, some of the names in our 10 leading vote winners reflect where we finished on the ladder and our percentage being less than 100, again
And this is where the progress of the likes of Freeman, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, Goddard plus the return of Armitage are vital to the side progressing
These players have to start pushing into our top 10 - which reflects approximately half our side
Plus the likes of White who to me shows the necessary
We can not rely on Draft Picks 7 and 8 to immediately impact on the side with the best outcome in 2018 being these players gain experience as support players
Of our top 10 this season my assessment is that 4 of them need to be put under pressure to retain their positions in the side for us to go to the next level in 2018 and onwards
Particularly the likes of Bruce need to start influencing the results of games - and I would not necessarily look for that to be as a key forward if he can regain his athletic mojo
Then there is Battle where the question will be put to him in 2018 you would expect
Then we get to our rucks noting the reliances put on ruck divisions during the 2017 finals series probably vindicated the views of a former Coach
They have to have influence in field play
Given the influx of names who contributed little in 2017 for reasons and some others replicating the trajectory of Ross plus the cream on the cake from the Draft I would look for improvement in 2018 even allowing for the retirements of Riewoldt and Montagna
But all other sides will be looking to improve as well so there is the challenge
In regards the craving for a super star, St Kilda has not lacked super stars across its history but its record is as abysmal as it is
Perhaps there is a message there somewhere
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Re: Seb Ross B & F Proves Something
There was apparently only one person on this forum that saw potential in Seb, and it never gets old listening to them tell us about it. They are like the Jaxons of talent identification