Number 1 pick

[The_President]

Brisbane are open to trading it.


Hypothetically, who or what are we sending up there to get it?


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-26/lio ... h-no1-pick

[St Chris]

7 & 8 would probably do it, especially if Brisbane aren't set on who to pick.

It seems like a pretty open top 10, no real standouts, and who goes No. 1 depends on who you ask.

[saintspremiers]

Don't worry,the AFL will gift them a priority pick

[St Chris]

Don't worry,the AFL will gift them a priority pick

They will when somebody takes Rocky as a FA......

[Con Gorozidis]

7 and 8 is definitely better than pick 1.
The only reason we would do that deal is if we had no faith in our recruiters. Which I understand. Giving them two goods picks just doubles the chances of a stuff up.
So pick 1 might be a better option in our situation.

Lions could end up with 2,8 and 9.
Absolute bonanza.

[SaintPav]

If Brisbane get pick 2 for Rocky, I'll spew

[older saint]

No this draft doesn't have a stand out and if we don't trade for a gun in this draft 7 & 8 will be a better option bringing in 2 top 10 picks

[Sainternist]

#1 priority for the club should be to recruit Josh Kelly. If we can afford to trade for a first pick in the draft after that, it is a bonus.

[Con Gorozidis]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

[IluvHarvey]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

[Con Gorozidis]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

True. Martin Leslie was actually a very good player but he deferred moving to the VFL and stayed an extra two seasons in the SANF after being drafted. So he actually doesnt count and should not be there.

But all the others are relevant because it shows they dont have durable enough bodies for the rigours of AFL (VFL) footy.

Even Jon Patton managed 29 games and he did his ACL twice in his first three seasons.

If people arent seriously concerned about Paddy then they are truly optimists....

[Jacks Back]

Please don't get pick 1. We will definitely stuff it up again. Keep 7 & 8 and ask the next two teams who they would take for those picks and pick those players as our recruiters really have no clue. Or go off the phantom drafts and just get rid of the recruiters altogether.

[Teflon]

Please don't get pick 1. We will definitely stuff it up again. Keep 7 & 8 and ask the next two teams who they would take for those picks and pick those players as our recruiters really have no clue. Or go off the phantom drafts and just get rid of the recruiters altogether.

Surely we can just outsource these recruiting clowns?
Cut lunch commandoes with no clue

Recruitment meeting at saints:

"He's a great young fella, ripping attitude , really strong family ethic "

"But he's only a torso Trout"

"Yeah but medical opinion suggests that's a mere flesh wound..... "

[footynut]

We need to seriously consider it. Could we offer picks 7&8 for pick 1 & there 3rd rounder. And then use both 3rd rounders to get back in the 2nd round of the draft.

Also need to consider if it wld take both 1st rounders to get kelly & if we get anything else in return???

Its getting interesting...

[footynut]

Please don't get pick 1. We will definitely stuff it up again. Keep 7 & 8 and ask the next two teams who they would take for those picks and pick those players as our recruiters really have no clue. Or go off the phantom drafts and just get rid of the recruiters altogether.

Great idea, and use that money to recruit goal kicking and forward coaches

[IluvHarvey]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

True. Martin Leslie was actually a very good player but he deferred moving to the VFL and stayed an extra two seasons in the SANF after being drafted. So he actually doesnt count and should not be there.

But all the others are relevant because it shows they dont have durable enough bodies for the rigours of AFL (VFL) footy.

Even Jon Patton managed 29 games and he did his ACL twice in his first three seasons.

If people arent seriously concerned about Paddy then they are truly optimists....

So are you saying he is not good enough or had too many injuries?
Armo played 19 games in his first three years..... so what?
Steven 29!
Riewoldt played 6 in his first year same as McCartin and.... they had exactly the same amount of marks and kicksand Rooey had less goals and less tackles..... what a concern he was.

As I said pointless stat

[Con Gorozidis]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

True. Martin Leslie was actually a very good player but he deferred moving to the VFL and stayed an extra two seasons in the SANF after being drafted. So he actually doesnt count and should not be there.

But all the others are relevant because it shows they dont have durable enough bodies for the rigours of AFL (VFL) footy.

Even Jon Patton managed 29 games and he did his ACL twice in his first three seasons.

If people arent seriously concerned about Paddy then they are truly optimists....

So are you saying he is not good enough or had too many injuries?
Armo played 19 games in his first three years..... so what?
Steven 29!
Riewoldt played 6 in his first year same as McCartin and.... they had exactly the same amount of marks and kicksand Rooey had less goals and less tackles..... what a concern he was.

As I said pointless stat

McCartin has been in the system three years.
Serious concerns exist over his durability for elite AFL footy.
Would u be please if Armo was a pick 1 in the draft.

How did Roo go in years 2 and 3? Please answer that.

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Please don't get pick 1. We will definitely stuff it up again. Keep 7 & 8 and ask the next two teams who they would take for those picks and pick those players as our recruiters really have no clue. Or go off the phantom drafts and just get rid of the recruiters altogether.

I've been saying that for years, JB. Seriously, where the top 30 picks are concerned, the really good amateur watchers and phantom draft compilers get it right more often than not. The skill is in picking up the hidden gem further down. In the main, your guns come from first and second rounders. May as well call Callum Twomey on the eve of the draft and save yourself a million or so.

You can't ring Emma anymore as GWS have put her on staff now, so she's getting paid a lot extra to do what she's always done. Nice work if you can get it. Don't forget GWS also has that other recruiting legend, Tom Scully's dad! Most recruiters are very ordinary, with a few notable exceptions. Fortunately, the AFL has introduced an accreditation and development course similar to the one agents go through. About time, too.

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

True. Martin Leslie was actually a very good player but he deferred moving to the VFL and stayed an extra two seasons in the SANF after being drafted. So he actually doesnt count and should not be there.

But all the others are relevant because it shows they dont have durable enough bodies for the rigours of AFL (VFL) footy.

Even Jon Patton managed 29 games and he did his ACL twice in his first three seasons.

If people arent seriously concerned about Paddy then they are truly optimists....

So are you saying he is not good enough or had too many injuries?
Armo played 19 games in his first three years..... so what?
Steven 29!
Riewoldt played 6 in his first year same as McCartin and.... they had exactly the same amount of marks and kicksand Rooey had less goals and less tackles..... what a concern he was.

As I said pointless stat

Riewoldt won the Rising Star Award in his second year. MVP in his fourth. A champion of the competition after 4 years. I'll take any bet you want to lay, that Paddy won't win the MVP next year. I'll just be glad if he can play a season without getting knocked out. Still hasn't kicked more than two in a game.

Neither Armo nor Steven were No. 1 picks whom the club was basing its future forward structure on. Paddy can't help the fact he's vulnerable to concussion, but to be frank, he's one bad knock from retirement and has only shown us very brief glimpses of ability. To compare him to Riewoldt in any way is ludicrous. Chalk and cheese.

[ace]

7 and 8 is definitely better than pick 1.
The only reason we would do that deal is if we had no faith in our recruiters. Which I understand. Giving them two goods picks just doubles the chances of a stuff up.
So pick 1 might be a better option in our situation.

Lions could end up with 2,8 and 9.
Absolute bonanza.

But who would our recruiters go for if they had pick No 1.
Correct me if I am wrong but there are no type 1 diabetics in the running.
And I don't think there are any headless chooks.
Maybe they will find a paraplegic with good character and a great family.

[MickThomas]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

No it's quite relevant.

It demonstrates that the draft system is like Macroeconomics, not a fixed science, but is speculation and prediction
based on a whole lot of data
and the data set will change with time, and it's more of an educated gamble
with the "experts" relying on their own interpretation of the data.

[IluvHarvey]

Since the introduction of the national draft in 1986, only four number one picks have played fewer games in their first three seasons than McCartin.

Richard Lounder (Richmond) - four games 1988-90
Alex McDonald (Hawthorn) - seven games 1989-91
Martin Leslie (Brisbane Bears) - 11 games 1987-89
Stephen Hooper (Geelong) - 21 games 1991-1993

This really is a pointless stat.

True. Martin Leslie was actually a very good player but he deferred moving to the VFL and stayed an extra two seasons in the SANF after being drafted. So he actually doesnt count and should not be there.

But all the others are relevant because it shows they dont have durable enough bodies for the rigours of AFL (VFL) footy.

Even Jon Patton managed 29 games and he did his ACL twice in his first three seasons.

If people arent seriously concerned about Paddy then they are truly optimists....

So are you saying he is not good enough or had too many injuries?
Armo played 19 games in his first three years..... so what?
Steven 29!
Riewoldt played 6 in his first year same as McCartin and.... they had exactly the same amount of marks and kicksand Rooey had less goals and less tackles..... what a concern he was.

As I said pointless stat

Riewoldt won the Rising Star Award in his second year. MVP in his fourth. A champion of the competition after 4 years. I'll take any bet you want to lay, that Paddy won't win the MVP next year. I'll just be glad if he can play a season without getting knocked out. Still hasn't kicked more than two in a game.

Neither Armo nor Steven were No. 1 picks whom the club was basing its future forward structure on. Paddy can't help the fact he's vulnerable to concussion, but to be frank, he's one bad knock from retirement and has only shown us very brief glimpses of ability. To compare him to Riewoldt in any way is ludicrous. Chalk and cheese.

Agreed they are chalk and Cheese, my point is that you can manipulate stats to tell any story you want. Which is what Con did.

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Fair point, but after their respective first seasons, their career trajectories are polar opposites. I wish Paddy was as good as Nick. It's pretty clear he's not. Not many have been as good as roo. If Paddy just becomes a consistent, decent marking target in our F50 then I'll be thrilled. It ain't the kid's fault he was the number one pick. As we've seen, the expectations that come with that selection verge on the ridiculous.

[Con Gorozidis]

Agreed they are chalk and Cheese, my point is that you can manipulate stats to tell any story you want. Which is what Con did.

Sorry but there are a litany of red flags swirling around Paddy.
Not my fault. You can deny it all you like but it wont change it.

[ace]

Don't worry,the AFL will gift them a priority pick

They will when somebody takes Rocky as a FA......

Just like Melbourne who begged Hawthorn to take Frawley off their hands.