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Seriously, what has happened to the ruckman in AFL. We have three on our list that have the best football attribute as being 'tall'. Longer, Pierce and Homes have zero talent in finding the ball around the ground let alone actually being able to kick it if it does fall in their lap. I am not so much knocking Holmes because what 3 years ago he had never heard of the game. But that is about the state of ruckman in todays football.
We should put a sign on the door.
Situations Vacant, apply if you are 200cm or taller, are able to jump, run 10km and dont mind the physical stuff.
On the job training for how to tap a contested ball. No other skills required.
It just shocks me that you can earn so much and be so incompetent and yet there is no one better to take over (mmm....line ball with politicians).
We should put a sign on the door.
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On the job training for how to tap a contested ball. No other skills required.
It just shocks me that you can earn so much and be so incompetent and yet there is no one better to take over (mmm....line ball with politicians).
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stonecold wrote:No wonder they towelled him up, he played on both all by himself did he?????The_Dud wrote:Witts and Wright both towelled him up tonight. 18 kicks, 10 marks and 3.3 compared to 1 kick... @_o
Stop stacking the stats in your arguments favour!!!!!
Haha exactly. The_Dud would you have stats on Longer verse the whole GCS team? Want to see who came on top in that one too.
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Has anyone else done a player comparison on Longer against other ruckman on Footywire? Its unbelievably bad. Longer isnt anywhere near an AFL footballer. After the bounce and ruck dual we are effectively a player short after that. Now all the noise is Holmes was always the best tap amongst the four ruckman. So if thats all Billy is bringing to the table why not play Holmes who's better in the ruck contest? Any other player with similar stats would have been dropped ages ago. In all seriousness we might as well go in without a ruck and play an extra midfielder. Have Carlise, Gilbert and Bruce go through there. It statistically couldnt be any worse.
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The only reason why i think longer is getting a game is to increase his stocks. He will be traded or dropped at years end hopefully.stkfc1 wrote:Has anyone else done a player comparison on Longer against other ruckman on Footywire? Its unbelievably bad. Longer isnt anywhere near an AFL footballer. After the bounce and ruck dual we are effectively a player short after that. Now all the noise is Holmes was always the best tap amongst the four ruckman. So if thats all Billy is bringing to the table why not play Holmes who's better in the ruck contest? Any other player with similar stats would have been dropped ages ago. In all seriousness we might as well go in without a ruck and play an extra midfielder. Have Carlise, Gilbert and Bruce go through there. It statistically couldnt be any worse.
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I have nothing to base this on but I have a sneaking suspicion that you are correct - I have a feeling that the cue is in the rack on this season - if we get to the finals - fantastic - but I think (hope) that it is the coaching staff trying things, and sorting the wheat from the chaff for the rest of the season.ROLS-LEE wrote:The only reason why i think longer is getting a game is to increase his stocks.
I wish there was a way we could know what the coaches are thinking/planning etc.
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The other reason is Hickey is giving nothing what so ever at any level this year!!!!!ROLS-LEE wrote:The only reason why i think longer is getting a game is to increase his stocks. He will be traded or dropped at years end hopefully.stkfc1 wrote:Has anyone else done a player comparison on Longer against other ruckman on Footywire? Its unbelievably bad. Longer isnt anywhere near an AFL footballer. After the bounce and ruck dual we are effectively a player short after that. Now all the noise is Holmes was always the best tap amongst the four ruckman. So if thats all Billy is bringing to the table why not play Holmes who's better in the ruck contest? Any other player with similar stats would have been dropped ages ago. In all seriousness we might as well go in without a ruck and play an extra midfielder. Have Carlise, Gilbert and Bruce go through there. It statistically couldnt be any worse.
For all Billy's faults, he at least.gives the mids some physical protection which Hickledick never does!!!!!
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Not as silly as it sounds.stkfc1 wrote:In all seriousness we might as well go in without a ruck and play an extra midfielder. Have Carlise, Gilbert and Bruce go through there. It statistically couldnt be any worse.
I have a vague recollection of the Japanese rugby team not bothering to contest lineouts because they didn't have anyone tall enough. They still did OK.
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Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
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Sainter_Dad wrote:Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
Peter and Paul story there!!!!!
At this stage, it's either Billy and what he brings or Hickledick, who on current form brings less!!!!!
It's a bit like, trying to pick a mother-in-law, no winning selection in most cases!!!!!
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Zero Marks again this week. Impressive that someone so tall can have so little impact.
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Back so soon Marto?????IluvHarvey wrote:Zero Marks again this week. Impressive that someone so tall can have so little impact.
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!
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Caught me! I am Big Mart and also like to argue with myself for fun!stonecold wrote:Back so soon Marto?????IluvHarvey wrote:Zero Marks again this week. Impressive that someone so tall can have so little impact.
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Not really a Peter/Paul story - we could bring Rice (Savage .... whomever) in for Longer, play them through the half back line and have Gilbo contest the ruck, and then be a line breaker from that position. It almost adds another midfielder. Not quite NicNat - but in that vein.stonecold wrote:Sainter_Dad wrote:Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
Peter and Paul story there!!!!!
At this stage, it's either Billy and what he brings or Hickledick, who on current form brings less!!!!!
It's a bit like, trying to pick a mother-in-law, no winning selection in most cases!!!!!
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Problem being Savage/Rice/whomever carnt play Gilbo's role and give Jake and/or Brown a chop out as Gilbo does!!!!!Sainter_Dad wrote:Not really a Peter/Paul story - we could bring Rice (Savage .... whomever) in for Longer, play them through the half back line and have Gilbo contest the ruck, and then be a line breaker from that position. It almost adds another midfielder. Not quite NicNat - but in that vein.stonecold wrote:Sainter_Dad wrote:Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
Peter and Paul story there!!!!!
At this stage, it's either Billy and what he brings or Hickledick, who on current form brings less!!!!!
It's a bit like, trying to pick a mother-in-law, no winning selection in most cases!!!!!
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But we don't lose Gilbo entirely - he rucks - acts as a midfielder or drifts back (the same as a few ruckmen drift forward) depending on needsstonecold wrote:Problem being Savage/Rice/whomever carnt play Gilbo's role and give Jake and/or Brown a chop out as Gilbo does!!!!!Sainter_Dad wrote:Not really a Peter/Paul story - we could bring Rice (Savage .... whomever) in for Longer, play them through the half back line and have Gilbo contest the ruck, and then be a line breaker from that position. It almost adds another midfielder. Not quite NicNat - but in that vein.stonecold wrote:Sainter_Dad wrote:Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
Peter and Paul story there!!!!!
At this stage, it's either Billy and what he brings or Hickledick, who on current form brings less!!!!!
It's a bit like, trying to pick a mother-in-law, no winning selection in most cases!!!!!
As I said - obviously not against Mummy - but maybe it is worth a try - we would not be losing much in the around the ground stakes - and if he can break even in the ruck - I would count that as a win.
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At least we've actually seen Hickey contribute in some way, even if it was last year... He is capable of taking this team to another level. Longer has done SFA and gets dominated every single week.stonecold wrote:The other reason is Hickey is giving nothing what so ever at any level this year!!!!!ROLS-LEE wrote:The only reason why i think longer is getting a game is to increase his stocks. He will be traded or dropped at years end hopefully.stkfc1 wrote:Has anyone else done a player comparison on Longer against other ruckman on Footywire? Its unbelievably bad. Longer isnt anywhere near an AFL footballer. After the bounce and ruck dual we are effectively a player short after that. Now all the noise is Holmes was always the best tap amongst the four ruckman. So if thats all Billy is bringing to the table why not play Holmes who's better in the ruck contest? Any other player with similar stats would have been dropped ages ago. In all seriousness we might as well go in without a ruck and play an extra midfielder. Have Carlise, Gilbert and Bruce go through there. It statistically couldnt be any worse.
For all Billy's faults, he at least.gives the mids some physical protection which Hickledick never does!!!!!
Bruce did more in 5mins in the ruck against the Suns.. It's getting ridiculous now.
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Hickey was sensational last season and would have come into All Australian discussions. He beat the eventual All Australian ruckman in Round 6 and broke even with him in Round 17. He was seldom beaten.realdeal wrote: At least we've actually seen Hickey contribute in some way, even if it was last year... He is capable of taking this team to another level.
Why Longer is currently preferred is one of the great mysteries of life. He has his strengths. Is bigger and stronger and has a big tank. But he cannot give us what Hickey does around the ground.
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Must have been too hard to scroll about 3 posts under this one to see his stats against just Witts, being half the Suns ruck department?Spinner wrote:stonecold wrote:No wonder they towelled him up, he played on both all by himself did he?????The_Dud wrote:Witts and Wright both towelled him up tonight. 18 kicks, 10 marks and 3.3 compared to 1 kick... @_o
Stop stacking the stats in your arguments favour!!!!!
Haha exactly. The_Dud would you have stats on Longer verse the whole GCS team? Want to see who came on top in that one too.
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His name is Hickey. Why do keep calling him something else? Not on!stonecold wrote:Sainter_Dad wrote:Is it worth an experiment of running Gilbo as a rucking midfielder for a game - maybe against a weaker ruck combo?
Peter and Paul story there!!!!!
At this stage, it's either Billy and what he brings or Hickledick, who on current form brings less!!!!!
It's a bit like, trying to pick a mother-in-law, no winning selection in most cases!!!!!
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I always make up Nic names for everyone, is that against the law now too??????
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I think it's against the new rules.stonecold wrote:I always make up Nic names for everyone, is that against the law now too??????
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Jacks Back wrote:I think it's against the new rules.stonecold wrote:I always make up Nic names for everyone, is that against the law now too??????
Thanks Jack Black, wouldn't surprise me, all part of the current witch hunt!!!!!
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"You can comment on Saints players and officials but you can’t abuse, demean or cast dispersions on them or their family, poster can receive a warning or in extreme cases a 1 week ban".stonecold wrote:Jacks Back wrote:I think it's against the new rules.stonecold wrote:I always make up Nic names for everyone, is that against the law now too??????
Thanks Jack Black, wouldn't surprise me, all part of the current witch hunt!!!!!
I think your name for Hickey would contravene the demean part.
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If Sandilands plays Longer should probably stay in - I've seen Sandilands monster Gardner before so you'd want your most robust ruck in against him at the hit outs. If not, maybe it's time to try Hickey again, or Holmes if Hickey's form doesn't warrant selection. This week is an important game - win this match interstate and the belief will begin to grow.
It seems like AR likes to play either Longer or Hickey until the other gets injured, and then throw Holmes in for the last couple of rounds of the season to give him a go, which seems like it's fair in that it gives each of them a chance to show what they can offer.
It seems like AR likes to play either Longer or Hickey until the other gets injured, and then throw Holmes in for the last couple of rounds of the season to give him a go, which seems like it's fair in that it gives each of them a chance to show what they can offer.
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