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Kelly leaning to us !
On the news tonight Saints still into Kelly reports that he is now leaning towards us.
I would be over the moon think it suits us perfectly.Thoughts ??
I would be over the moon think it suits us perfectly.Thoughts ??
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Media reports had him buying a house in Elwood the day after we beat the Giants,barwon saint wrote:On the news tonight Saints still into Kelly reports that he is now leaning towards us.
I would be over the moon think it suits us perfectly.Thoughts ??
he'd stayed in Melb to visit rellies.
And...no, Damian Flog Barrett didn't report that, so it might just be correct.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
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I disagree and agree. If we end up with pick 3 from the Hawks and then say pick 10 i think that is a fractiontoo much to give up. It is equivalent to a pick 1 AND a pick 24.remboy wrote:I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
My preference is we get pick 5 for Paddy. Keep pick 3. Then 5 and 10 for Kelly which is still MORE than a pick 1.
That way we get Kelly PLUS a gun KPP in the draft.
As for money.
Yeah I think $1m x 8 years is ok.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Probably the thing in our favour is having the extra first round pick this year. Means we'll be more able to satisfy GWS. Once Steele gets into Kelly's about how great a club we are I think he will prefer us over North. Don't think $ will be the only deciding factor.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
It might be why North have gone after Martin .... knowing that Kelly has decided not to accept their offer
Treolar went to Pies for Pick 7 + future 1st rounder with a 2nd round pick coming back
Maybe a similar deal would be struck for Kelly?
Kelly + GWS's 2nd round pick ..... for ...... our 1st rounder this year (not Hawthorn's) + next years 1st rounder
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Maybe a similar deal would be struck for Kelly?
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Seems reasonable.Devilhead wrote:It might be why North have gone after Martin .... knowing that Kelly has decided not to accept their offer![]()
Treolar went to Pies for Pick 7 + future 1st rounder with a 2nd round pick coming back
Maybe a similar deal would be struck for Kelly?
Kelly + GWS's 2nd round pick ..... for ...... our 1st rounder this year (not Hawthorn's) + next years 1st rounder
So we get Kelly plus keep pick 2-4.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
GWS have already given up their second pick this year if memory serves me so might need to be next years second. I also think GWS will want Hawthorn's pick. Kelly was a number 2 pick and has already shown he is worth it. They'd want more than our pick and next first years first.Devilhead wrote:It might be why North have gone after Martin .... knowing that Kelly has decided not to accept their offer![]()
Treolar went to Pies for Pick 7 + future 1st rounder with a 2nd round pick coming back
Maybe a similar deal would be struck for Kelly?
Kelly + GWS's 2nd round pick ..... for ...... our 1st rounder this year (not Hawthorn's) + next years 1st rounder
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Why would we trade Paddy? Seriously is this a joke.Con Gorozidis wrote:I disagree and agree. If we end up with pick 3 from the Hawks and then say pick 10 i think that is a fractiontoo much to give up. It is equivalent to a pick 1 AND a pick 24.remboy wrote:I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
My preference is we get pick 5 for Paddy. Keep pick 3. Then 5 and 10 for Kelly which is still MORE than a pick 1.
That way we get Kelly PLUS a gun KPP in the draft.
As for money.
Yeah I think $1m x 8 years is ok.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Why would we offer the Wogans our two first round picks? Kelly will be out of contract. If he walks, we have the cap space to front load a contract to keep all other suitors at bay. And if he walks... the Wogans lose a No 2 draft pick for donuts. (And don't remind me of Luke Ball.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Great news if it comes to fruition. If we get him and can keep one of this years 1st rounders we have done well.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Treolar's form at the time when he was traded is comparable to Kelly's current form - also after a quick check I think GWS still have a 2nd rounder this year as we gave them one for Steele and so did Collingwood in the Hoskin-Elliott dealremboy wrote:GWS have already given up their second pick this year if memory serves me so might need to be next years second. I also think GWS will want Hawthorn's pick. Kelly was a number 2 pick and has already shown he is worth it. They'd want more than our pick and next first years first.Devilhead wrote:It might be why North have gone after Martin .... knowing that Kelly has decided not to accept their offer![]()
Treolar went to Pies for Pick 7 + future 1st rounder with a 2nd round pick coming back
Maybe a similar deal would be struck for Kelly?
Kelly + GWS's 2nd round pick ..... for ...... our 1st rounder this year (not Hawthorn's) + next years 1st rounder
Whether him being a number 2 pick has anything to do with them getting more I don't know either way it is great news if he is warming to us as he is exactly the type of gun player we need
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Seems to be a few other clubs with war chests filling fast - whether they are ready to use them is another thingDave McNamara wrote:Why would we offer the Wogans our two first round picks? Kelly will be out of contract. If he walks, we have the cap space to front load a contract to keep all other suitors at bay. And if he walks... the Wogans lose a No 2 draft pick for donuts. (And don't remind me of Luke Ball.)
They can have our No 2 draft pick from the Dawks, and think themselves lucky.
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Reckon we will want to hold on to that Hawks pick (if its between 1 and 4) and try and please GWS in other ways
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
If anyone is crazy enough to give us pick 5 for Paddy I would not even think about it.Con Gorozidis wrote:I disagree and agree. If we end up with pick 3 from the Hawks and then say pick 10 i think that is a fractiontoo much to give up. It is equivalent to a pick 1 AND a pick 24.remboy wrote:I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
My preference is we get pick 5 for Paddy. Keep pick 3. Then 5 and 10 for Kelly which is still MORE than a pick 1.
That way we get Kelly PLUS a gun KPP in the draft.
As for money.
Yeah I think $1m x 8 years is ok.
I would just sign.
But that will never happen.
I think for Kelly we would have to give up our Hawthorn 1st round pick then swap our 1st round for GWS 1st round.
We could then bundle our 3rd and 4th rounders with North's 4th rounder as steak knifes.
We have already sold our 2nd rounder to get Steele.
That would leave us with only one pick so we would need two rookie upgrades or do what Hawthorn did and take a wild pick after everyone else.
But lets not forget to grab Nat Fyfe for money but no picks.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
Because Paddy is likely to be no better than Jack Watts.CURLY wrote:Why would we trade Paddy? Seriously is this a joke.Con Gorozidis wrote:I disagree and agree. If we end up with pick 3 from the Hawks and then say pick 10 i think that is a fractiontoo much to give up. It is equivalent to a pick 1 AND a pick 24.remboy wrote:I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
My preference is we get pick 5 for Paddy. Keep pick 3. Then 5 and 10 for Kelly which is still MORE than a pick 1.
That way we get Kelly PLUS a gun KPP in the draft.
As for money.
Yeah I think $1m x 8 years is ok.
So pick 5 is way excessive so take it.
If we get a fair offer for Paddy 3rd rounder then why would we ?
If we get 5 we could use it to get a better prospect key forward.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
"whether they are ready to use them is another thing" is an excellent point DH!Devilhead wrote:Seems to be a few other clubs with war chests filling fast - whether they are ready to use them is another thingDave McNamara wrote:Why would we offer the Wogans our two first round picks? Kelly will be out of contract. If he walks, we have the cap space to front load a contract to keep all other suitors at bay. And if he walks... the Wogans lose a No 2 draft pick for donuts. (And don't remind me of Luke Ball.)
They can have our No 2 draft pick from the Dawks, and think themselves lucky.
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Reckon we will want to hold on to that Hawks pick (if its between 1 and 4) and try and please GWS in other ways
And if (like Nuff Nuff) they aren't ready to use it but still do, then more fool them. Nuff Nuff is on the decline (after never going to have been good enough to win a flag). Them going all out to get a Kelly would be akin to when Carlscum got that Chicken Wing bloke. They weren't ready. Cost them Kennedy, and moved them back a few draft places by delaying their fall.
I also love your idea of keeping our Dawk's pick. Just can't see how(?) And ideas? Sure, we could walk Kelly to the preseason draft with a contract offer others can't match, but that would be an absolute last resort, IMHO. We seem to have a pretty good relationship with the Wogans. So I reckon that's worth maintaining... as we'll be shopping with them again.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
21 year old key forward with 20 games that's broke his collarbone in one of his first two seasons and you've written him off.ace wrote:Because Paddy is likely to be no better than Jack Watts.CURLY wrote:Why would we trade Paddy? Seriously is this a joke.Con Gorozidis wrote:I disagree and agree. If we end up with pick 3 from the Hawks and then say pick 10 i think that is a fractiontoo much to give up. It is equivalent to a pick 1 AND a pick 24.remboy wrote:I'd love to get him but the cost is a factor. What would the Giants accept? As a minimum I'd think they'd want both our first rounders this year, which I think sounds high.
The other factor is how much does he want? If North have offered $1mill a year you think we'd need to be around that mark which seems high to me. Then again there's this talk about the salary cap going up 20% so maybe we just throw the kitchen sink at him and get it done.
My preference is we get pick 5 for Paddy. Keep pick 3. Then 5 and 10 for Kelly which is still MORE than a pick 1.
That way we get Kelly PLUS a gun KPP in the draft.
As for money.
Yeah I think $1m x 8 years is ok.
So pick 5 is way excessive so take it.
If we get a fair offer for Paddy 3rd rounder then why would we ?
If we get 5 we could use it to get a better prospect key forward.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
If Paddy is going to be only a Jack Watts level player then we should trade him right now for whatever we can get!
But whatever Paddy's current issue/s, he doesn't deserve to ever be lumped in with that soft lazy dud Jack Watts. Nobody does.
(Is that what our blokes said to tanti boy? "You play like Jack Watts."
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As I reported earlier, Josh deciding between staying and coming to us!!!!!
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
He still has a lot of time to decide...Nov 1, IIRC or I could be wrongstonecold wrote:As I reported earlier, Josh deciding between staying and coming to us!!!!!
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Hawthorn's 1st rounder and our future 1st for Kelly and a 2nd round pick this year. Make it happen, Ameet!
We would go to the draft this year with a pick in each round, not to mention we should get something for offloading one of our rucks.
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We would go to the draft this year with a pick in each round, not to mention we should get something for offloading one of our rucks.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
I would not get your hopes up too highly. Longer still struggles around the ground.mad saint guy wrote:
, not to mention we should get something for offloading one of our rucks.
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And the banning of the third man up has affected Hickey. Longer too.
And things may get worse yet.
If the umps get their way the bounce will be banned.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... a875579755
If so, the ball will only be thrown up like we had in the Demons match, and that would further hurt both Hickey and Longer. Max and Sandi the big winners and ruckmen the height of Hickey and Longer the big losers.
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Honestly I'm not too concerned about the rule changes. No doubt the sub-205cm ruckmen will adapt and learn to mitigate the disadvantage from the third-man-up rule, and there are only a handful of rucks in the competition with the height to have any significant advantage from it. Gawn - yes, though he has been incredibly injury prone. Sandi is in the last season either this year or next. Smith and Witts - both average. I think we are really missing Hickey's around the ground contribution and ability to win contested ball right now. Longer on the other hand rarely loses a hitout but rarely touches the ball around the ground - he does have scope for improvement and should fetch us a mid-late twenties draft pick. I think if we decided to keep Longer and trade Hickey his value would be more like a late-teens/early twenties pick.saintsRrising wrote:I would not get your hopes up too highly. Longer still struggles around the ground.
And the banning of the third man up has affected Hickey. Longer too.
And things may get worse yet.
If the umps get their way the bounce will be banned.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... a875579755
If so, the ball will only be thrown up like we had in the Demons match, and that would further hurt both Hickey and Longer. Max and Sandi the big winners and ruckmen the height of Hickey and Longer the big losers.
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Re: Kelly leaning to us !
It is nice to dream but lets be real. The season is a long way top go and many things will happen between now and the end of the year. Plus the amount of players rumoured to be coming to this club is a bit insane. I've heard Fyfe, Rockliff, Dustin, Kelly, Whitfield just int he last week.