The forward line.
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The forward line.
I think we'll all agree that we continue to fall down up forward. A lot of entries that constantly go unrewarded.
Our forward line hasn't really functioned this season and our talls appear out of form. But, I do think that Paddy, Bruce and Membrey are all quality players. Throw in the likes Gresham, Wright, Billings, Weller (another lacking form) and even Lonie, I think that should be a cracking forward line moving forward.
So are our forwards just out of form, or does the forward line lack structure or is the delivery to our forwards lacking?
Our forward line hasn't really functioned this season and our talls appear out of form. But, I do think that Paddy, Bruce and Membrey are all quality players. Throw in the likes Gresham, Wright, Billings, Weller (another lacking form) and even Lonie, I think that should be a cracking forward line moving forward.
So are our forwards just out of form, or does the forward line lack structure or is the delivery to our forwards lacking?
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Re: The forward line.
The delivery for the most part is atrocious.
Just kicking it to a massive pack 30m out and hoping someone can take a mark is just dumb football.
Just kicking it to a massive pack 30m out and hoping someone can take a mark is just dumb football.
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Re: The forward line.
Bruce and Membrey have both been extremely disappointing this year: for mine, Membrey even more so than Bruce, although there's not much in it.
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Re: The forward line.
I never get this debate.meher baba wrote:Bruce and Membrey have both been extremely disappointing this year: for mine, Membrey even more so than Bruce, although there's not much in it.
Membrey is head and shoulders above Bruce.
He's more athletics, a better mark, better kick, better around the ground, better at linking. He's just better in every regard.
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Re: The forward line.
Membrey is 4 inches shorter than Bruce, he is a medium forward with a decent spring, but in this day and age he is too short for a key position.
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Re: The forward line.
Even Buddy would have struggled in our fwd line yesterday, delivery coming out of the centre was almost non-existent, and delivery from the flanks was of high school standard.
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Re: The forward line.
We have a forward line ??
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Re: The forward line.
It's Bruce/Paddy.borderbarry wrote:Membrey is 4 inches shorter than Bruce, he is a medium forward with a decent spring, but in this day and age he is too short for a key position.
You can't play Bruce and Paddy without Membrey. Membrey provides so much more than both of them.
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well this is a pleasant change to the comments supporters used to have a few years ago when the players/coaches were implored to kick it long.The_President wrote:The delivery for the most part is atrocious.
Just kicking it to a massive pack 30m out and hoping someone can take a mark is just dumb football.
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saints66 wrote:well this is a pleasant change to the comments supporters used to have a few years ago when the players/coaches were implored to kick it long.The_President wrote:The delivery for the most part is atrocious.
Just kicking it to a massive pack 30m out and hoping someone can take a mark is just dumb football.
Would love to see them kick it long to a 1 on 1.. not a 10 on 10.
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Re: The forward line.
Oh no, I heard plenty of it next to me yesterday...they're still out there. I couldn't care if we kicked a chain of 15m passes from half back so long as they bloody hit a target.saints66 wrote:well this is a pleasant change to the comments supporters used to have a few years ago when the players/coaches were implored to kick it long.The_President wrote:The delivery for the most part is atrocious.
Just kicking it to a massive pack 30m out and hoping someone can take a mark is just dumb football.
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Re: The forward line.
Membrey's good overhead and takes more than his fair share of contested marks. But he has lost the reliability in front of goal he had last season.The_President wrote:It's Bruce/Paddy.borderbarry wrote:Membrey is 4 inches shorter than Bruce, he is a medium forward with a decent spring, but in this day and age he is too short for a key position.
You can't play Bruce and Paddy without Membrey. Membrey provides so much more than both of them.
Really, he, Bruce and McCartin have all been equally mediocre this summer. Although they are playing in front of close to the best midfield in the comp, they have kicked 30-25 between them in a total of 20 individual appearances. I also recall a few shots that missed everything, so we are talking an average of around 3 shots per player per game.
I refuse to accept that it's all the fault of the delivery into the forward 50. The forward unit is not performing well, and its not functioning as a team. Coaching must take some of the blame, but the main problem is that both Bruce and Membrey are way out of form.
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Re: The forward line.
You aren't dropping someone because they aren't kicking well for goal.meher baba wrote:Membrey's good overhead and takes more than his fair share of contested marks. But he has lost the reliability in front of goal he had last season.The_President wrote:It's Bruce/Paddy.borderbarry wrote:Membrey is 4 inches shorter than Bruce, he is a medium forward with a decent spring, but in this day and age he is too short for a key position.
You can't play Bruce and Paddy without Membrey. Membrey provides so much more than both of them.
Really, he, Bruce and McCartin have all been equally mediocre this summer. Although they are playing in front of close to the best midfield in the comp, they have kicked 30-25 between them in a total of 20 individual appearances. I also recall a few shots that missed everything, so we are talking an average of around 3 shots per player per game.
I refuse to accept that it's all the fault of the delivery into the forward 50. The forward unit is not performing well, and its not functioning as a team. Coaching must take some of the blame, but the main problem is that both Bruce and Membrey are way out of form.
Otherwise Billings would've been dropped after kicking 1.4 against the Pies and 0.3 against the Hawks.
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Re: The forward line.
Main problem is Richos bomb it to 30m area that was working well but no longer does as every opposition coach now knows that we do it and structures up to benefit from it.SydneySainter wrote:I think we'll all agree that we continue to fall down up forward. A lot of entries that constantly go unrewarded.
Our forward line hasn't really functioned this season and our talls appear out of form. But, I do think that Paddy, Bruce and Membrey are all quality players. Throw in the likes Gresham, Wright, Billings, Weller (another lacking form) and even Lonie, I think that should be a cracking forward line moving forward.
So are our forwards just out of form, or does the forward line lack structure or is the delivery to our forwards lacking?
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Re: The forward line.
Agree with MB. The trio, that looked so dangerous in the second half of the year, now looks completely out of form. Bruce in the twos and didn't star yesterday at the lower level, Paddy looked a bit lost yesterday and Members, who while he is the best of the trio so far, is nowhere near the level he was last year, even losing his deadly accuracy in front of goal. None of them, ATM, inspire any confidence when lining up, which is a bit of an indictment on them as they are permanent forwards. Although the delivery was on a par with Australia Post standards, that is only part of the problem. The forward system needs an overhaul. They haven't lost their ability, but there is something seriously awry with them as a triumvirate. Over to you, Sammy. The buck stops with you.
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Re: The forward line.
Agree with MB. The trio, that looked so dangerous in the second half of the year, now looks completely out of form. Bruce in the twos and didn't star yesterday at the lower level, Paddy looked a bit lost yesterday and Members, who while he is the best of the trio so far, is nowhere near the level he was last year, even losing his deadly accuracy in front of goal. None of them, ATM, inspire any confidence when lining up, which is a bit of an indictment on them as they are permanent forwards. Although the delivery was on a par with Australia Post standards, that is only part of the problem. The forward system needs an overhaul. They haven't lost their ability, but there is something seriously awry with them as a triumvirate. Over to you, Sammy. The buck stops with you.
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Re: The forward line.
Cant bring Bruce back this week after his weak performance yesterday. Apparently he had 8 possessions while his opponent had 26 and 15 marks and was B>O.G. Liam Jones.
Anybody know if any forwards were decent for Sandy yesterday? I know Ben Long had a good game the previous match.
Anybody know if any forwards were decent for Sandy yesterday? I know Ben Long had a good game the previous match.
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Re: The forward line.
Watching the way Nth Melb against Melb kick to their forwards just highlight how badly we kick it to ours. They're kicking into space for them to run into the ball, to their advantage and hitting targets. Even when they do bomb it long it's with purpose.
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Re: The forward line.
Never heard of them ?True Believer wrote:We have a forward line ??
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Re: The forward line.
The giants game had some decent goals where delivery was nice.
Billings to Minch (poor kick but still to his advantage) who handballed to Mr 98 games;
Minch kicking to a free Acres;
Acres again presenting well;
Seb great pass to Fumble-Bun only 20 in front.
See, work to make room, lead, get separation...
Week after, bomb it in, Docherty, and repeat. No good.
Billings goals were being in a good spot and reading play.
Billings to Minch (poor kick but still to his advantage) who handballed to Mr 98 games;
Minch kicking to a free Acres;
Acres again presenting well;
Seb great pass to Fumble-Bun only 20 in front.
See, work to make room, lead, get separation...
Week after, bomb it in, Docherty, and repeat. No good.
Billings goals were being in a good spot and reading play.
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Re: The forward line.
I remember playing C Grade ammos years ago,borderbarry wrote:Cant bring Bruce back this week after his weak performance yesterday. Apparently he had 8 possessions while his opponent had 26 and 15 marks and was B>O.G. Liam Jones.
Anybody know if any forwards were decent for Sandy yesterday? I know Ben Long had a good game the previous match.
one of our Dusty Martin types was dropped to Ressies for punishment,
boy did he tear it up in that game.
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