Can't remember seeing Billy grab any strong marks on a regular basis- big body, but that's about it.kosifantutti wrote:Longer can't catch it.magnifisaint wrote: If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.
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He can one or two times. Hopefully he does OK this week. I reckon he knows he's on noticekosifantutti wrote:Longer can't catch it.magnifisaint wrote: If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.
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Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...
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it must be BS.saintsRrising wrote:Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...
All those 'in the know' seem to think that 'resting' or 'managed' is just an excuse for 'being dropped'.
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But Hickey is not selected for Sandringham either.Mr Magic wrote:it must be BS.saintsRrising wrote:Kruezer and Pruess both being rested/managed this week...
All those 'in the know' seem to think that 'resting' or 'managed' is just an excuse for 'being dropped'.
He is being "rested".
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Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.
He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.
The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.
IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.
The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.
The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.
IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.
The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
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What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.
He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.
The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.
IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.
The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.
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And handball to a teammate a couple of metres off the mark. Every time. Hickey can at least have a kick.magnifisaint wrote:He can one or two times. Hopefully he does OK this week. I reckon he knows he's on noticekosifantutti wrote:Longer can't catch it.magnifisaint wrote: If you have 2 superior ruckman you play them both. You don't play your full forward as the relief ruckman. If they want to manage Hickey better then you don't flog him every game. You get in another ruckman to help him out.
Longer can at least jump and catch it. Brucey is over whelmed in the centre square and Holmesy is not up to AFL yet.
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He's a much bigger boy now!Saint wagga wrote:What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.
He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.
The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.
IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.
The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.
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Int; Dunstan, Acres, Gilbert, Minchington.
Em; Savage, Lonie, Stevens.
Steven, Longer, Minchington for Armitage, Hickey, Lonie.
Int; Dunstan, Acres, Gilbert, Minchington.
Em; Savage, Lonie, Stevens.
Steven, Longer, Minchington for Armitage, Hickey, Lonie.
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kosifantutti wrote:StK v Geel
Int; Dunstan, Acres, Gilbert, Minchington.
Em; Savage, Lonie, Stevens.
Steven, Longer, Minchington for Armitage, Hickey, Lonie.
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Minchington IN for Lonie OUT
Ben Long retains his place ahead of Lonie.
Shane Savage and Koby Stevens miss out.
Ben Long retains his place ahead of Lonie.
Shane Savage and Koby Stevens miss out.
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What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!
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Just as well the team is picked by people who know what they are doing.Impatient Sainter wrote:What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!
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Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.
But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )
And Jacks back
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Dunstan saved by Armo not playing I reckon.
I suspect Long will go back to Sandy after this week. Give him a taste then send him back with things to work on. Or he could have a great game and just never lose his spot !
I suspect Long will go back to Sandy after this week. Give him a taste then send him back with things to work on. Or he could have a great game and just never lose his spot !
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Never played VFL. Coach loves him.Impatient Sainter wrote:What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!
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How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns
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We stood behind bench at VFL last week for a smidge and Bill was resting and my wife commented on just how huge his shoulders are, and I was thinking the exact same thing. Massive. And fwiw I thought he toiled well last week despite many negative knocks.Bernard Shakey wrote:He's a much bigger boy now!Saint wagga wrote:What I'd like to see is that Longer has improved his physical ruckwork and effective follow up work...I don't expect him to rack up Hickey like numbers for posi's or even marks (but gee it'd be good if he did)...but people go on about his big frame and bullying other rucks and creating space...but seriously...if you go back over his 2015 footage , he isn't overly strong in the contest, he's no Mumford and even when he contested his followup work, it so very rarely ended up being to advantage, just lots of arms and legs flailing all over the place with no real prupose.To the top wrote:Hickey took some very, very valuable marks deep in defence last week - and contested at ground level.
He may have some general soreness - hence not playing at any level this week.
The performance of Longer will be the determining factor in Hickey AND Longer playing in the same 22 meaning that we do not have to ruck key position players.
IF Longer can show that he brings not only a rucking performance but also Hickey's around the ground marking and contesting then the outcome may well be both in the 22 so we can maintain a genuine ruck presence throughout games, not for 80% of games.
The outcome is in Longer's hands this weekend.
So what i'm really hoping to see and surely why he has been picked is to see how far is ruck and clearance work has progressed at AFL level and to see if he can have an impact on the game by having an impact around stoppages.
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Coach of Sandy Zebs, no less, said of Koby 2 weeks ago:Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.
But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )
And Jacks back
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Dunstan should be "managed" or "rested" or whatever, but hell, give Koby a crack.
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I thought Lonie was pretty fortunate to be in the side in front of Minchington in the first place as he hadn't shown a lot in the pre-season. He hasn't been bad in his 4 games this year, missing a few goals probably hasn't helped his cause when you get so few opportunities as a small forward.ChrisRyanSaints wrote:How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns
With two games in a row with no goals I like that they are rewarding Minch's form in the VFL.
Lonie, Sinclair & Minch's biggest problem is Gresham being so good, as there's barely room for another small forward outside of him really. Ideally we have quality mids resting in the forward line but we are a couple short at the moment.
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I just hope that original Jack is over his punctured lung. The team looks better than last week though.
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I agree with the drag-man.dragit wrote:I thought Lonie was pretty fortunate to be in the side in front of Minchington in the first place as he hadn't shown a lot in the pre-season. He hasn't been bad in his 4 games this year, missing a few goals probably hasn't helped his cause when you get so few opportunities as a small forward.ChrisRyanSaints wrote:How pissed iff will Lonie be?
We will lose lonie sinclair or minchington and you can bet ya bottom dollar theyll become guns
With two games in a row with no goals I like that they are rewarding Minch's form in the VFL.
Lonie, Sinclair & Minch's biggest problem is Gresham being so good, as there's barely room for another small forward outside of him really. Ideally we have quality mids resting in the forward line but we are a couple short at the moment.
If Lonie kicked more goals, he may have been safer.
This year 3 goals 5, and in 2015 he kicked 12 G 17 B.
Needs to become more accurate to seal his spot
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