Not quite. Tuck played about 50 reserve games. Steven didn't take 5 yrs to come good. He was taken as underage in the draft. He would have gone top 10 if he waited a year.Linton Lodger wrote:Indeed, it took him 5 or 6 seasons. Didn't Michael Tuck play close to 100 reserves games before making his debut?Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven
Stars that were late bloomers
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Posting 20 years of holey crap!
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Jack Steven kicked 3 as an 18yo in the famous game vs Geelong.
He starred in the VFL
UNFORTUNATELY his coach was Ross Lyon
He plays (and Armo) in either GF and we win both imo
But Eddy, McQualter 2010, Dempster (as a forward off a knee) were obviously better?!
He starred in the VFL
UNFORTUNATELY his coach was Ross Lyon
He plays (and Armo) in either GF and we win both imo
But Eddy, McQualter 2010, Dempster (as a forward off a knee) were obviously better?!
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[quote="BigMart"]Jack Steven kicked 3 as an 18yo in the famous game vs Geelong.
He starred in the VFL
UNFORTUNATELY his coach was Ross Lyon
He plays (and Armo) in either GF and we win both imo
But Eddy, McQualter 2010, Dempster (as a forward off a knee) were obviously better?![/quote]
I still have nightmares about that
He starred in the VFL
UNFORTUNATELY his coach was Ross Lyon
He plays (and Armo) in either GF and we win both imo
But Eddy, McQualter 2010, Dempster (as a forward off a knee) were obviously better?![/quote]
I still have nightmares about that
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Tom Scully a good recent example of a high draft pick who took a few years to come good and coppped criticism early.
Look at him now.
Look at him now.
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Yep. But some on here still paint Lyin as some sort of coaching genius. He's not, of course. as history has shown.BigMart wrote:Jack Steven kicked 3 as an 18yo in the famous game vs Geelong.
He starred in the VFL
UNFORTUNATELY his coach was Ross Lyon
He plays (and Armo) in either GF and we win both imo
But Eddy, McQualter 2010, Dempster (as a forward off a knee) were obviously better?!
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Do you reckon Patton is a good comparison?
Firstly he's had TWO knee recos
Second he's 199cm and 102kg - he's a monster!
Firstly he's had TWO knee recos
Second he's 199cm and 102kg - he's a monster!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Jon Patton 197cm 102kgssaintbob wrote:Jonathan Patton is a good comparison for Paddy
Paddy 194cm 94kgs
3cm difference, 8kgs difference, bit of a gap with weight, but not so much height!!!!!!
Good.comparison, both had many interruptions with injury or health!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!
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?stonecold wrote:Jon Patton 197cm 102kgssaintbob wrote:Jonathan Patton is a good comparison for Paddy
Paddy 194cm 94kgs
3cm difference, 8kgs difference, bit of a gap with weight, but not so much height!!!!!!
Good.comparison, both had many interruptions with injury or health!!!!!
Patton had two ACLs.
What are Paddy's disruptions?
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Paddy has had hamstrings, concussion's and shoulder among other injuries as well as health issues, I know it's not knees, but he still has had no continuity, which younger players need!!!!!Con Gorozidis wrote:?stonecold wrote:Jon Patton 197cm 102kgssaintbob wrote:Jonathan Patton is a good comparison for Paddy
Paddy 194cm 94kgs
3cm difference, 8kgs difference, bit of a gap with weight, but not so much height!!!!!!
Good.comparison, both had many interruptions with injury or health!!!!!
Patton had two ACLs.
What are Paddy's disruptions?
Also, how much longer has the General been in the system?????
If you happy to write Paddy off, that's up to you, good luck with that, your choice, not mine, I'm happy to back the kid in, like all true supporters should!!!!!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
BJ was hardly a superstar in his first 5 years, indeed he was our whipping boy before Raph came along.
The rest of Australia can wander mask-free, socialise, eat out, no curfews, no zoning, no police rings of steel, no illogical inconsistent rules.
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
out of all current players the late bloomer by the length of the straight is Eddy Betts
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Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Things get a bit distorted over time
BJ took 5 years? Means he was no good until 2008?
BTW
Wikipedia is not always an accurate source
Patton is listed as 198/101
That is a huge man
McCartin 194/94
That is a big bloke, but not a huge bloke in AFL terms
KPP range from 193-200cm and 92-106kg these days.
McCartin is not a big KPP
BJ took 5 years? Means he was no good until 2008?
BTW
Wikipedia is not always an accurate source
Patton is listed as 198/101
That is a huge man
McCartin 194/94
That is a big bloke, but not a huge bloke in AFL terms
KPP range from 193-200cm and 92-106kg these days.
McCartin is not a big KPP