Stars that were late bloomers
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- MC Gusto
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6069
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 8:29am
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 369 times
Stars that were late bloomers
Just a point here on how quick we are to right off our kids...
I am keen to understand when some of the current stars of the AFL really showed their wares. Obviously you have the bont and because of him we all get suckered in to thinking if you don't star from day 1 you never will. But there are a number of AFL guns that took a while to show their stuff. People talk about the 50 game rule...is it accurate?
Danger?
Fyfe?
Martin?
Watson?
Hawkins?
Kennedy?
etc
I am sure there are more...but these guys definitely weren't stars day 1 and i am pretty sure they werent 20 games / 50 games in?
I am keen to understand when some of the current stars of the AFL really showed their wares. Obviously you have the bont and because of him we all get suckered in to thinking if you don't star from day 1 you never will. But there are a number of AFL guns that took a while to show their stuff. People talk about the 50 game rule...is it accurate?
Danger?
Fyfe?
Martin?
Watson?
Hawkins?
Kennedy?
etc
I am sure there are more...but these guys definitely weren't stars day 1 and i am pretty sure they werent 20 games / 50 games in?
#1 Ryder fan
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3950
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2015 3:12pm
- Has thanked: 372 times
- Been thanked: 214 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Don't go posting Common Sense posts on here mate, just doesn't wash!!!!!
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Danger, Fyfe and Hawkins have unique physical characteristics.
Martin was a gun from day 1.
Fyfe dominated in his second season.
Watson = drug cheat
That only leaves Kennedy who was poor in his first three seasons but he was at Carlton so had an excuse and had to be de-programmed.
He kicked 31 goals in 16 games in his 4th season.
Martin was a gun from day 1.
Fyfe dominated in his second season.
Watson = drug cheat
That only leaves Kennedy who was poor in his first three seasons but he was at Carlton so had an excuse and had to be de-programmed.
He kicked 31 goals in 16 games in his 4th season.
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Look at the team they were in....
Were there spots?
were they skinny?
Danger found it hard season 1 - since he remained in Victoria at school... so season 2 was season 1
What about Kosi? Sam Mitchell? Rioli? Selwood? Paul Haselby, Josh Fraser and countless examples of the opposite
What was various clubs plans with Kids
Geelong 02 gave half the 07 AFL team an introductory VFL premiership
Sydney had the 4 year apprenticeship
Ross Lyon didn't trust anyone under 22
I still haven't written McCartin off
But I'm concerned about a few limiting factors, that will inhibit his output
Were there spots?
were they skinny?
Danger found it hard season 1 - since he remained in Victoria at school... so season 2 was season 1
What about Kosi? Sam Mitchell? Rioli? Selwood? Paul Haselby, Josh Fraser and countless examples of the opposite
What was various clubs plans with Kids
Geelong 02 gave half the 07 AFL team an introductory VFL premiership
Sydney had the 4 year apprenticeship
Ross Lyon didn't trust anyone under 22
I still haven't written McCartin off
But I'm concerned about a few limiting factors, that will inhibit his output
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
He suffered severe OP early.Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven
Last edited by Con Gorozidis on Mon 10 Apr 2017 8:12pm, edited 1 time in total.
- magnifisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7936
- Joined: Sun 02 May 2004 2:52am
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 578 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Tex Walker took about 3 yrs to hit his straps
Posting 20 years of holey crap!
- White Winmar
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5014
- Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2009 10:02pm
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
He did indeed, Con and he was a bottom ager as well. Yes, OP. The condition known as Opposition to Playing him syndrome, brought to you by Ross Lyon.Con Gorozidis wrote:He suffered severe OP early.Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven
I started with nothing and I've got most of it left!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 386
- Joined: Sat 14 Jun 2014 11:42pm
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1860
- Joined: Thu 01 May 2008 6:30pm
- Location: Mentone
- Has thanked: 17 times
- Been thanked: 263 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
This is rubbish -watch the match against Bulldogs R5 2015 where he kicks a goal from the boundary outside 50!sainters85 wrote:As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year
Get your facts right.
One year will be our year
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Reasons kind of matter.Leo.J wrote:Whatever the reason, it took him a while to get going.Con Gorozidis wrote:He suffered severe OP early.Leo.J wrote:Jack Steven
That is the point of the discussion.
It may be poor form to write a youngster off - but the opposite end to that is to just assume they are going to be stars.
How about we have an adult discussion about individual attributes and what their chances of making it are?
Just because we can name a few late bloomers has zero relevance to whether JB and McCartin are any good.
I am sure we could all name some top 10 draft picks who never made it. But it is a silly game.
Daniel Gorringe
Billy Longer
Adam Sumner
Anthony Morabito
John Butcher
Andrew Moore
Ty Vickery
Jimmy Toumpas
Jon O Rourke
Kristian Jaksche
See that was easy.
But so what? It doesn't mean our players will be duds.
Same way naming guns won't make our boys guns.
It is just a list of random names.
Last edited by Con Gorozidis on Tue 11 Apr 2017 9:19am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 25303
- Joined: Tue 01 Feb 2005 4:25pm
- Location: Trump Tower
- Has thanked: 142 times
- Been thanked: 284 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
But now if he could kick it 40 most of us would me amazed.longtimesaint wrote:This is rubbish -watch the match against Bulldogs R5 2015 where he kicks a goal from the boundary outside 50!sainters85 wrote:As much as I'd love Billings to become a star, how could he blossom into one when he can't kick further than 20m? Can't tackle, can't run, can't play unless he's got time and space. And he's in his third year
Get your facts right.
What's gone wrong??
i am Melbourne Skies - sometimes Blue Skies, Grey Skies, even Partly Cloudy Skies.
- samuraisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5870
- Joined: Sun 25 Sep 2011 3:23pm
- Location: M32
- Has thanked: 837 times
- Been thanked: 785 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.
Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.
Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.
Your friendly neighbourhood samurai.
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
He dominated his 3rd season.Griggsy wrote:Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long
- Con Gorozidis
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23532
- Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
- Has thanked: 100 times
- Been thanked: 78 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Nick Vlaustinsamuraisaint wrote:Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.
Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.
- kosifantutti
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8581
- Joined: Fri 21 Jan 2005 9:06am
- Location: Back in town
- Has thanked: 526 times
- Been thanked: 1527 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Spider was a star in his first year of seniors as an 18/19 year old.samuraisaint wrote:Peter Everitt - used to play in the reserves at Moorabbin (1992) and hit his straps in 1997.
Michael Tuck - played 100 games in the reserves before he became a senior player.
Macquarie Dictionary Word of the Year for 2023 "Kosi Lives"
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3950
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2015 3:12pm
- Has thanked: 372 times
- Been thanked: 214 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
Ok, let's go the other way then, Mark McGough, gun early doors, went down hill from there, there's been many, more than one way to skin a cat people, have some faith!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving
- Dis Believer
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5088
- Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:42pm
- Location: The terraces at Moorabbin, in the pouring rain.......
- Has thanked: 255 times
- Been thanked: 272 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
As far as I know, Billings just finished his first proper preseason, had a chunk of last year wrecked by injury, and is still just about old enough to start shaving.
Maybe we show some patience, yeah?
Oh, I forgot, he hasn't been an instant superstar (just add water) - yeah, let's take him out the back oval and give him a lead injection........
Maybe we show some patience, yeah?
Oh, I forgot, he hasn't been an instant superstar (just add water) - yeah, let's take him out the back oval and give him a lead injection........
The heavy metal artist formerly known as True Believer!
IF you look around the room and can't identify who the sucker is, then it's probably you!
IF you look around the room and can't identify who the sucker is, then it's probably you!
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
We only go by stats on this page so Grays 16d and 3t means droppedCon Gorozidis wrote:He dominated his 3rd season.Griggsy wrote:Robbie gray took 8 years...ok, not even I am willing to wait that long
![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3950
- Joined: Thu 24 Sep 2015 3:12pm
- Has thanked: 372 times
- Been thanked: 214 times
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
You should change your user BigM, maybe Paddy Whacka would be more appropriate!!!!!BigMart wrote:They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink ;-)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
He'll make you eat your words over time!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!!
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
![📯](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f4ef.svg)
We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
The 'Last Post', it's the gift that keeps giving
Re: Stars that were late bloomers
lol chill out buddy, you're gonna burn out and we're only 3 rounds in.BigMart wrote:They were both playing forward so I suppose 16 and 3 is similar to the 5 and 0 from Paddy?