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Impatient Sainter wrote:Im calling it regardless of age I believe both draft selections (McCartin & Billings) were/are shockers. Trout can pump up his tyres all he likes but the two most important drafts he got OUR selections wrong!
Clearly got it wrong on Bont. Clearly.
But it's far too early to say on McCartin IMO.
With Paddy I agree. It is too early to know. Also even though I would have picked Petracca, and said so at the time, I think some are over-rating where Petracca is at too. He is front of Paddy, but he us bot screaming gun either. I personally think that draft year was not as good at the top-end as other years. It is not at all like every year that the best available player is of equal talent from each year and even if you redo the best player in hindsight.. They are not of the same high standrad from year to year.
With Billings. Well yes I think that we have seen enough to know know that Billings will never be the player that the Bont is. But was it that bad a pick based on what was know prior to draft? Most probably no.
Whereas the Doggies with more time to think on Boyd still paid overs for him later. The reason why the Doggies are looking pretty is that they got so many of their late picks right, including their rookie picks. They have generated some real stars from this. So yes they nailed it with Bont, but what has rocketed them up is getting so many late picks right to generate depth in qulality players.
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BigMart wrote:I believe I said we can't compare them, and they were compared, go figure?
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Go figure eh... I mean someone might actually make the mistake of thinking that this was a public forum.
One day you may realise that people on this forum are going to continue to talk about players, the team, coaches etc in ways that they wish to, and not just only in how you try demand that they do. And moreso as the BigMart Rules get revised from thread to thread depending on your whim of the day.
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I mean with our recruiters and selectors when they go to draft and/or trade in a player that can play key forward they will be making all sorts of player comparisons. They would not just be compring exactly one type of key forward with another.
Do they go with a pure key marking forward?. Do they go for someone with more rounded ground skills as well. Do they go for more the ruck forward type.
Do they go with a kid in the draft, or do they tray and trade a player in (ie as we did with Carlisle).
In The Paddy year they may have though lets try and trade for more picks and say grab Wright and another.
Sometimes as player develops you change them into a key forward. ie Bruce or the GTrain, neither of whom we acquired to play as key forwards.
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BigMart wrote:Do you honestly think there is 1 kg between Hawkins and Paddy?
I mean seriously??
I haven't picked either of them up, so am just going off their listed weights…
Hawkins looks bigger as he should after 10 pre-seasons.
I'm not sure if a couple of cms or a few kilos matters at this stage… I'd probably prefer Gunston @81kgs to Hawkins anyway.
Tuesday, 7 July 2009
Geelong coach Mark Thompson says media criticism of Tom Hawkins and Mark Blake after the St Kilda clash is out of line.
The two Cats have borne the brunt of media scrutiny after performing below expectations in the home and away season's biggest contest.
Hawkins had five possessions while Blake struggled to match Saint game-breaker Michael Gardiner.
"In every game there are players that don't play well, but very rarely have I seen any criticism to this level," Thompson said.
"I'm not sure whether they are trying to push issues or not, but as far as we're concerned they are both young players, they are learning and they'll be better for the experience of playing in that game.
"The way they played, you'd expect they learned something and played better next time."
Not about preference, it's about player comparison... If they have different styles it's a silly exercise.... Not sure you can compare Gunston and Paddy or Hawkins either? Gunston is a mobile tall, neither of the others could run outta sight at midnight
Hawkins uses his massive bulk to beat the opposition, he did it as a junior, and until his strength increased enough he struggled to play the same way consistently at Senior level. Once it did, he was potent.
Paddy may increase his strength, he will never be the sheer size of Hawkins, otherwise he will not be able to run. Paddy actually leads far better than Hawk, and reads the play better... Query is how slow he is though?
You only need to have a quick look at Hawkins, to know he is a beast.
obviously they made a mistake picking mccartin ahead of petracca however, he will be a good player for us in the long run. Everyone on here is just annoyed that he's not going to turn out the way they had hoped for. I guess everyone wanted paddy to be more like cam mccarthy, weitering etc - more similar to roo
sainters85 wrote:obviously they made a mistake picking mccartin ahead of petracca however, he will be a good player for us in the long run. Everyone on here is just annoyed that he's not going to turn out the way they had hoped for. I guess everyone wanted paddy to be more like cam mccarthy, weitering etc - more similar to roo
Just don't understand how you could say that based on 20 games? it is ludicrous. If we take the 20 game rule...even 50 game rule we wouldve written off dangerfield!! Was he a star at that stage? No!
On Paddy and "who we all hoped he be" i didn't see him as a roo / weitering...not at all. I wanted him to be more in the T Hawkins / J Brown mold based on his junior career / size / type of player.
GOAT Plugger had his break out game in Round 4 v Melbourne Demons in 1987 when he just turned 21 so not panic stations yet but he needs to show a lot more. Plugger had already had a strong season the year before and I'm not expecting Mc Cartin to be the next Plugger butI would not mind the level of a Hawkins. Still time but yesterday he was very poor.
Vazelos wrote:GOAT Plugger had his break out game in Round 4 v Melbourne Demons in 1987 when he just turned 21 so not panic stations yet but he needs to show a lot more. Plugger had already had a strong season the year before and I'm not expecting Mc Cartin to be the next Plugger butI would not mind the level of a Hawkins. Still time but yesterday he was very poor.
lewdogs wrote:Have to say it's pretty damn pathetic how quick some are to sink the boot in to our young guys when they have a poor game. As supporters we should support. Billings has been pretty good in the first two rounds, has a poor game and suddenly everyone is saying he doesn't care and looks like he wants to retire, and Paddy is a dud.
