SaintPav wrote:Saintsaintional's own Todd Sampson. Spare me.
Speak for yourself.
Ummm, I am speaking for myself.
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SaintPav wrote:Saintsaintional's own Todd Sampson. Spare me.
Speak for yourself.
I'm saying you should do that, I'm saying you're already doing that.desertsaint wrote:Johnny's convinced me. I'm ditching the Saints, joining the hipster crowd in cheering on iProducts in the big leagues and Kickstarter projects in the seconds. Steve Jobs is my new god! Look at that sharemarket performance! we're the Hawthorn of the Dow Jones!
i know johnny. and you're right - to a degree. the degree is what i was saying.Johnny Member wrote:I'm saying you should do that, I'm saying you're already doing that.desertsaint wrote:Johnny's convinced me. I'm ditching the Saints, joining the hipster crowd in cheering on iProducts in the big leagues and Kickstarter projects in the seconds. Steve Jobs is my new god! Look at that sharemarket performance! we're the Hawthorn of the Dow Jones!
All sports fans are.
Very interesting perspective Johnny and much of what you say I agree with. The same thing has happened with cricket where it's now regarded as a product. I remember hearing the dude they brought in to push the Big Bash, Mike McKenna, refer to it as a product and the fans as their consumers. It turned me right off at the time and sadly that's what big sport has become.Johnny Member wrote: But my point is, it's not 'our' business anymore.
And my other point, is that whether we'd have won 2-3 flags or not is irrelevant.
St Kilda 2016 winning an AFL flag for me, is a completely different ball park to the St Kilda of 1987 winning a flag.
The St Kilda of 1987 was a club. It was a club I grew up supporting passionately and a flag back then would have meant something out of this world to me. I would have felt represented by the club, and I would have felt part of it. I also would have taken incredible pride from the club I was born into as a supporter, taking out the best sporting comp in the world.
However the St Kilda 2016 would have the same sort of appeal and value as the Storm, or West Ham or the Golden State Warriors winning one. They're all basically franchises playing in an entertainment business. I love sport, and get pleasure out of watching it. It's entertaining and I follow a team, and it gives me more pleasure when they win.
But would I still give a s*** a week or two later? Probably not. Not any more. Back in the Moorabbin days though, I would have got a Saints tattoo, sworn to name my first born Tony and still be celebrating 3 years later.
And FWIW, I think that's the issue that lies ahead for the AFL. Supporters like me, and the ones that the AFL lured in with the shiny jumpers, bright lights and high scoring footy - don't love clubs any more. They are consumers of a product. And as consumers do, when something better comes along they simply move on.
Once the diehards like many on this site move on, wake up or die, the average AFL fan will just be a consumer. And they'll be very hard to hold onto when there's soccer, NFL, NBA and even the UFC to contend with. The AFL has always had the emotional members. Always. And the reason for that was the clubs. Now that the clubs aren't clubs anymore, with no genuine link to their fans, these types of supporters will disappear.
There's plenty of entertainment options out there.
and for everyone else too as per your generalisation about all sports fans.Johnny Member wrote:SaintPav wrote:Saintsaintional's own Todd Sampson. Spare me.
Speak for yourself.
Ummm, I am speaking for myself.
Nice sarcasmEnrico_Misso wrote:Geelong must be kicking themselves.
All they had to do was ask for a home preliminary final at Kardinia Park and it would have been granted.
That is on the basis that the AFL have allocated the GWS Prelim to their boutique stadium that only holds 24,000.
That is only fair as GWS has earnt that right, irrespective of the fact that the two competing clubs in the second most important match of the year have over 110,000 members.
So in the name of consistency a final at KP which holds over 30k would have been a certainty had the Cats just bothered to ask.
My opinions are on behalf of myself.SaintPav wrote:and for everyone else too as per your generalisation about all sports fans.Johnny Member wrote:SaintPav wrote:Saintsaintional's own Todd Sampson. Spare me.
Speak for yourself.
Ummm, I am speaking for myself.
I think the trickle down economics employed by the AFL mean it doesn't really matter what we do.spert wrote:Ultimately, no CEO or executive of any organisation is going to say that they hope their interstate venture will be a failure, and we don't want it to expand. What we need is strong leadership at our club in all negotiations, as we have suffered from spineless boards and presidents in the past.
I wasn't suggesting there'll only be 6 Melbourne clubs.desertsaint wrote:i just hope the afl have taken note of the potential to draw big crowds at st kilda. going over all afl finals since 1990 we are only behind collingwood, richmond (small sample size of 9 so their ave is inflated due to rarity of appearances), geelong, and essendon. In best attendance single finals year by club we are third (2009), and we have the largest gf attendance in the afl era.
we have the largest footy crowd at etihad (geelong 2009), and the fifth largest against brisbane (2004) so the vast majority were saints fans.
Really think if we play our cards right, and etihad is paid out, we can become a power club and ensure our long term survival in melbourne, because, like the post above, i also cannot see more than six melbourne clubs in the next twenty years.
Who says they had any say in it?stevie wrote:Why didn't the Crows refuse to play a Sat night game instead of a fairer arve or twilight game?