Good Call, Bad Call

[skeptic]

Time for our annual game of good call bad call.

The format is simple. You quote the previous statement. Depending on your view post the phrase with the term good call or bad call.
Qualify it with a statement or two, then make your own call.

I'll start...

Alan Richardson needs to find a way to fit a second bonafide ruck man into this team.

[St Chris]

Alan Richardson needs to find a way to fit a second bonafide ruck man into this team.

Bad Call.

The negatives outweigh the positives for mine - you couldn't play Bruce, Paddy & Membrey together plus another ruck. Our game plan is based on team pressure and turnover, and we'd lose too much of this in the front half carrying another ruckman. We need a better option than Bruce as the chop out, but playing Longer/Pierce is going too far.

So mine is....

Considering our draw and injuries in 2016, we will win less games in 2017, and Richo will be under the pump in a big way.

[wally]

Good Call
I see Membrey as a tall hff
Bruce will be better for no ruck work and he isn't good enough in the ruck
If we actually retain possession and score more goals from the forward entries, then chasing opposition out isn't such a worry.

[To the top]

Hickey and Longer rucking is the future.

ALL players are required to bring pressure when we do not have the ball.

That includes Bruce, McCartin and Membrey, where both Bruce and Membrey really contribute and McCartin contributes.

It begs the question "do you require small players to bring pressure?", which appears to be the presumption.

The answer is "No".

Hickey periodically drifting forward to the goal square (when Longer is rucking) is to create a mis-match inviting long, direct entry.

If we also have Weller, Gresham and Billings in our forward 6 then we should be well served for front half pressure.

And each of Weller, Gresham and Billings impact on the score board - didn't we learn from the likes of McQualter, Eddy and other "role" players who could not contribute when challenged to do so even in Grand Finals?

EVERY player must be dangerous - and accountable.

You do not get selected just because you are accountable.

[shrodes]

Alan Richardson needs to find a way to fit a second bonafide ruck man into this team.

Bad call with the current team as it leaves us too top heavy assuming the second ruck was rotated forward. I think it might work if they were rotated defensively but it's very difficult to find a genuine ruck that can play backline for an extended period of the match IMO.

Considering our draw and injuries in 2016, we will win less games in 2017, and Richo will be under the pump in a big way.

Bad call, assuming we can inject some more skill and class into our side with Freeman, Carlisle, Goddard, and youngsters like Acres, Billings, Dunstan, Gresham keep improving. But there are a few big ifs, and the pressure will definitely be on us to make finals after this year.

My good call/bad call is: we should be resting some normally best 22 players and trying out some that have been playing VFL for the year to see what they can offer.

[To the top]

If you have to wait until Round 21 to see if they have it for AFL football then you already have your answer.

[borderbarry]

Alan Richardson needs to find a way to fit a second bonafide ruck man into the team.

Good Call.
Having another ruckman in the team would have been handy last weekend, and I have been calling for this move for weeks.
Good Call/Bad Call. We dont need to get a high profile recruit like Fyfe or O'Meara, too expensive in so many ways, should concentrate on younger players.

[Scollop]

We dont need to get a high profile recruit like Fyfe or O'Meara, too expensive in so many ways, should concentrate on younger players.

Bad Call. We're not Richmond or Carlton. We are a destination club right now so we need to take advantage and strike while the iron is hot.If we can get quality players I don't care if they're 21 or if they're 26 as long as they are guns and can help us climb the ladder. With some of our stars retiring in the next couple of years I think it makes sense to spend big on a FA or two. Obviously with O'meara you'd have to get a fair discount so I think he'd only cost you half as much as Fyfe. The marketing bucks that Fyfe would generate for any football club in Melbourne means you'd be silly not to throw the kitchen sink at him if he was willing to come to your footy club

Good call bad call. David Armitage is replaceable at St Kilda and we can afford to let him go if there's offers on the table and it helps us land Hurley. In other words it might not be Essendon that wants him but if we can get a first rounder for Armo we can use the pick along with our current first round pick to trump competing offers for Hurley

[skeptic]

Good call bad call. David Armitage is replaceable at St Kilda and we can afford to let him go if there's offers on the table and it helps us land Hurley. In other words it might not be Essendon that wants him but if we can get a first rounder for Armo we can use the pick along with our current first round pick to trump competing offers for Hurley

Good call. Armitage is getting on a bit and the reality is that we have a number of players that are in the same mould... A bull at the contest, not as effective on the spread. Whilst he's capable of being amongst the very best, he doesn't produce to the high standard he can often enough and my sense is that whilst he's taken his game to the next level over the last 2 seasons, he seems to be on the way down now.
If you can package him into a deal that gets us an elite player, I say take.

Good Call, Bad Call:
Nick Riewoldt should be Captain again next year

[Griggsy]

Good Call, Bad Call:
Nick Riewoldt should be Captain again next year

Good call, you don't need to step down to mentor the next captain to lead, you do that by leading! ...if it was a business you wouldn't step down a performing CEO to be the assistant of the next one.


good call, bad call:
The Billings midfield experiment needs to be postponed a whole season for him to play in the forward line like his first season. He's just not ready yet.

[saintsRrising]

Alan Richardson needs to find a way to fit a second bonafide ruck man into this team.

If you mean two genuine ruckamn then Bad Call, unless you have 2 bonafide ruckman who are very versatile....but Modified Call.

AR needs to find a player who is a competent second ruck, but who is at least ok in another position.

- Ironocically Stanley offered this.

- Carlisle can offer this

- Pierce has shown signs that he is competent up forward and around he ground. Still not sure he is mobole enough though. But as a second ruck/rorward he is showing more potential than Longer who looks to be morea No 1 ruck or bust type.



Hicket has thrived by being the main man....and has become effectively an extra mid. So we now need someone whi can do better than Brice in the rucka to spell him, but I do not think that this has to be a bonafide ruckman.

Longer is a quandary in that he looks great at tap-outs...but has yet to develop an all round game. His lack of marking prowess is of particular concern.

[skeptic]

good call, bad call:

The Billings midfield experiment needs to be postponed a whole season for him to play in the forward line like his first season. He's just not ready yet.

Bad call...

The first problem is that we have a plethora of small forwards... Lonie, Sinclaire, Minch, Wright etc

Billings problem is that he's too stocky... Needs to lose some kilos and get his zip back. He's not meant to be a contested ball player. He's an outside runner.

Good Call Bad Call:
Richo has not been as experimental as he should have been regarding team selections... He hasn't given Templeton, Lee, Pierce, Murdoch and Shenton enough opportuntity

[WellardSaint]

good call, bad call:

The Billings midfield experiment needs to be postponed a whole season for him to play in the forward line like his first season. He's just not ready yet.

Bad call...

The first problem is that we have a plethora of small forwards... Lonie, Sinclaire, Minch, Wright etc

Billings problem is that he's too stocky... Needs to lose some kilos and get his zip back. He's not meant to be a contested ball player. He's an outside runner.

Good Call Bad Call:
Richo has not been as experimental as he should have been regarding team selections... He hasn't given Templeton, Lee, Pierce, Murdoch and Shenton enough opportuntity

Good call. Richo only brought in guys like Pierce for a quick cameo and didn't give them enough time to get the feel of AFL. Need to show the Zebs that he will reward effort, otherwise they will just get jaded and may fade away. Need to keep them hungry.

[Jacks Back]

We need players like Minch, Templeton, Sinclair, Lonie, et al to, one, get a game and, two, rotate more through the midfield more.
Good call/bad call?

[lintonstreet]

We need players like Minch, Templeton, Sinclair, Lonie, et al to, one, get a game and, two, rotate more through the midfield more.
Good call/bad call?

Bad call.
I'm on record as saying that Eli's papers are stamped - gone.
Sinclair's not hard enough for the midfield and neither is Lonie.
Minch maybe.

[To the top]

The proto type for mid-fielders are Acres, Dunstan, Ross, Armitage - big, hard bodies.

Unless you are a Jack Steven.

So Minchington, Lonie, Sinclair, Templeton et al are just not going to make it - they do not have what Steven has and they do not have the physical presence required.

[Griggsy]

Good call, bad call

"Posters clearly don't understand the good call bad call game"

[st.byron]

Good call. Based on the evidence so far, that seems right.

Posters will from now on understand it very clearly and post accordingly.

[Bluthy]

Good call. Based on the evidence so far, that seems right.

Posters will from now on understand it very clearly and post accordingly.

Bad call Bryon - people only half read s*** on this board

If Richo can't get us into a grand final in the next 3 years we should throw the kitchen sink at Clarkson who comes out of contract and may be looking for a new challenge

[Scollop]

If Richo can't get us into a grand final in the next 3 years we should throw the kitchen sink at Clarkson who comes out of contract and may be looking for a new challenge

Graet call. Jeansy in reverse call. We'd be happy if Clarko gets to the Saints and wins us a single flag

Good Call Bad Call:

Sydney keep finding 2nd and 3rd round gems in the draft. Alir Alir at pick 44 could turn out to be the best of the lot. Should we be trying to poach their head recruiter or their head of development or both?

[samoht]

Should we be trying to poach their head recruiter or their head of development or both?

Great call! Coaches succeed or fail based on good or poor recruiting, strong lists or poor lists -- so we should always be trying to poach the best recruiters. Coaches (including development coaches) leverage their "success" (whenever it comes their way) off the real heroes --- who are the recruiters.

[Griggsy]

Oh ffs

[freely]

Oh ffs

Good call Griggsy!

"Billings thought he was too good for the Saints - then he had a form slump and Gresham came along..."

[skeptic]

"Billings thought he was too good for the Saints - then he had a form slump and Gresham came along..."

Bad call, early call, ridiculous call
Billings just needs to lose some muscle and get back that attacking flare... my gut says he'll step up in a big way next season. Gresh is just Gresh


Good Call Bad Call
Sam Gilbert is having a great season

[shrodes]

Good Call Bad Call
Sam Gilbert is having a great season

Indifferent call. I wouldn't say great, but it's been passable.

Good call/bad call - we should keep one of Lee or Delaney next year