Why do people want to trade Longer?
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
We gave up pick 20 odd for him...
I thought he was solid last season for a 22yo... Good at stoppage and was aggressive in contest
His ability to find the ball, skill level and most important marking ability was poor though
Definitely tradeable imo
GWS would be my suggestion
I thought he was solid last season for a 22yo... Good at stoppage and was aggressive in contest
His ability to find the ball, skill level and most important marking ability was poor though
Definitely tradeable imo
GWS would be my suggestion
Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Would you be happy with the below scenario ctqs??ctqs wrote:He carried our ruck last year and has only been sidelined because he battled injury this year. The club was keen to re-sign him so he must be valued internally. You reckon other clubs will be jumping over each other to get him if we don't want him?
Richmond need a ruckman. Trade Longer to the tigers for their second pick (pick 24ish) and their forth pick (pick 60ish). Then we on-trade pick 24, 60 and our own third pick (pick 46ish) to Gold Coast for JOM.
Net Result
St Kilda lose Longer and pick 46.
Richmond lose pick 24 and 60.
Gold Coast lose JOM.
St Kilda gain JOM.
Richmond gain Longer.
Gold Coast gain pick 24, 46 and 60.
Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
if GC are to lose JOM he will need to be replace by high end talent.
they will want either 2 first round selections... a high first rounder and high second rounder... or a high quality player and a pick or high pick and player.
he'll be a 5 year contract plus you'll need to give up plenty
Hawthorn will get him on a back ended contract and give up their first pick, the pick for Bradley Hill from Freo and possibly another player thrown in... such as Whitecross
they will want either 2 first round selections... a high first rounder and high second rounder... or a high quality player and a pick or high pick and player.
he'll be a 5 year contract plus you'll need to give up plenty
Hawthorn will get him on a back ended contract and give up their first pick, the pick for Bradley Hill from Freo and possibly another player thrown in... such as Whitecross
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
I agree with most of this but I think Billy's ruck work is pretty good. However I don't think that's enough these days. You have to be able to contribute in other areas. He needs to take marks around the ground and be a threat up forward. He doesn't do either of these at the moment.Hemi Baxter wrote:He was poor for most of last year. He has a poor leap, average technique and didn't give us first use. Round the ground at the drop he was even worse. He can't find the ball on the ground and when he does his disposal is average at best. He couldn't take a mark forward or back and is too slow. His one asset is his intensity and above average defensive work which can create space for our midfielders to rove from the oppn ruckman.
Unfortunately he is generally not rated by other clubs recruiting staff because they are looking for a modern profile, mobile even quick, highly skilled player. He will be difficult to trade for anything of value.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
I suggest you make another suggestionBigMart wrote:We gave up pick 20 odd for him...
I thought he was solid last season for a 22yo... Good at stoppage and was aggressive in contest
His ability to find the ball, skill level and most important marking ability was poor though
Definitely tradeable imo
GWS would be my suggestion
Here's GWS ruck stocks
GWS GIANTS
Rucks
Shane Mumford
Rory Lobb
Dawson Simpson
Tom Downie
Pinch hitters
Jonathon Patton
Development
Can't remember his name but they have another young guy developing
So .... You think we have too many rucks ...GWS have Six and you want them to take a seventh!!! You are seriously, seriously delusional...
Tell me why they would be interested they already have about three more ruckman than you think they should carry??? V
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Agree 100% ...repta wrote:We need a second tall to play. Bruce is not the answer. The team is unbalanced when he is in the ruck.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
so where for Longer when Hickey is on the ball and visa versa???
wont happen
not a club in the AFL successfully plays two genuine ruckmen who cant play elsewhere
our game is built on speed and pressure... how will playing two lumbering ruckmen help this
wont happen
not a club in the AFL successfully plays two genuine ruckmen who cant play elsewhere
our game is built on speed and pressure... how will playing two lumbering ruckmen help this
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Next year it will be Carlislerepta wrote:We need a second tall to play. Bruce is not the answer. The team is unbalanced when he is in the ruck.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Hopefully Pierce will factor in toosaynta wrote:Next year it will be Carlislerepta wrote:We need a second tall to play. Bruce is not the answer. The team is unbalanced when he is in the ruck.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
We received pick 25 as a compensation pick and plenty of salary cap relief for Nick Dal Santo (you might have noticed his sublime skills tonight)BigMart wrote:We gave up pick 20 odd for him...
I thought he was solid last season for a 22yo... Good at stoppage and was aggressive in contest
His ability to find the ball, skill level and most important marking ability was poor though
Definitely tradeable imo
GWS would be my suggestion
We traded pick 25 for Billy Longer but had to sweeten the deal by giving away pick 41 in return for 48.
I just hope Dal does not go on to beat the poor man's Harvey games record.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
I don't like the idea of trading Longer, the trade period is long enough.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Why on earth would GC go for such a rubbish deal?citywest wrote:[ Then we on-trade pick 24, 60 and our own third pick (pick 46ish) to Gold Coast for JOM.
Net Result
St Kilda lose Longer and pick 46.
Richmond lose pick 24 and 60.
Gold Coast lose JOM.
St Kilda gain JOM.
Richmond gain Longer.
Gold Coast gain pick 24, 46 and 60.
Picks 24+ are basically useless to them. They need either top end draft picks, OR an established good player.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
citywest wrote:Would you be happy with the below scenario ctqs??ctqs wrote:He carried our ruck last year and has only been sidelined because he battled injury this year. The club was keen to re-sign him so he must be valued internally. You reckon other clubs will be jumping over each other to get him if we don't want him?
Richmond need a ruckman. Trade Longer to the tigers for their second pick (pick 24ish) and their forth pick (pick 60ish). Then we on-trade pick 24, 60 and our own third pick (pick 46ish) to Gold Coast for JOM.
Net Result
St Kilda lose Longer and pick 46.
Richmond lose pick 24 and 60.
Gold Coast lose JOM.
St Kilda gain JOM.
Richmond gain Longer.
Gold Coast gain pick 24, 46 and 60.
Nope nope nope to JOM.....disaster waiting to happen.
Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
GC would love that deal!!!!! For someone that knows, how many points would GC get for picks 24, 46 and 60? Would that give them enough to be able to pick up all of their academy players and still retain their own first and second picks? If it did then they would be laughing. Richmond would be happy with Longer and I would be happy with JOM.saintsRrising wrote:Why on earth would GC go for such a rubbish deal?citywest wrote:[ Then we on-trade pick 24, 60 and our own third pick (pick 46ish) to Gold Coast for JOM.
Net Result
St Kilda lose Longer and pick 46.
Richmond lose pick 24 and 60.
Gold Coast lose JOM.
St Kilda gain JOM.
Richmond gain Longer.
Gold Coast gain pick 24, 46 and 60.
Picks 24+ are basically useless to them. They need either top end draft picks, OR an established good player.
Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
about the same as we gave up for Longer
pick 21
hugh goddard who has a long way to go before he makes it.
pick 21
hugh goddard who has a long way to go before he makes it.
Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
super saints
you listed 4 primary ruckmen as a reason GWS wouldnt recruit Longer
Mumford is a star #1 ruckman an is getting old
Dawson Simpson is injury riddled and terrible
Downie is a developing kid who's shown not much
Rory Lobb is a #2 ruckman who primarily plays forward
your "pinch hitters' don't even count as ruckmen... do we count Bruce as a ruckman? if we lose Hickey will Bruce play Ruck?
they are always one injury away from being suseptible - Mumford
you listed 4 primary ruckmen as a reason GWS wouldnt recruit Longer
Mumford is a star #1 ruckman an is getting old
Dawson Simpson is injury riddled and terrible
Downie is a developing kid who's shown not much
Rory Lobb is a #2 ruckman who primarily plays forward
your "pinch hitters' don't even count as ruckmen... do we count Bruce as a ruckman? if we lose Hickey will Bruce play Ruck?
they are always one injury away from being suseptible - Mumford
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
He's kicked 15 goals in 15 games.saintbob wrote:The Fireman wrote:Gee that Rhys Stanley goes ok.
Yeah, what did we get for him again???
Every time he plays a decent game someone on here jumps up and down, the bloke is a yo-to and will never be consistent.
We got Membrey for free in the same trade period.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
With pick 48 we got Bruce.ace wrote:We received pick 25 as a compensation pick and plenty of salary cap relief for Nick Dal Santo (you might have noticed his sublime skills tonight)BigMart wrote:We gave up pick 20 odd for him...
I thought he was solid last season for a 22yo... Good at stoppage and was aggressive in contest
His ability to find the ball, skill level and most important marking ability was poor though
Definitely tradeable imo
GWS would be my suggestion
We traded pick 25 for Billy Longer but had to sweeten the deal by giving away pick 41 in return for 48.
I just hope Dal does not go on to beat the poor man's Harvey games record.
Dal won't go on after this year.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
It does not work like that.citywest wrote:GC would love that deal!!!!! For someone that knows, how many points would GC get for picks 24, 46 and 60? Would that give them enough to be able to pick up all of their academy players and still retain their own first and second picks? If it did then they would be laughing. Richmond would be happy with Longer and I would be happy with JOM.saintsRrising wrote:Why on earth would GC go for such a rubbish deal?citywest wrote:[ Then we on-trade pick 24, 60 and our own third pick (pick 46ish) to Gold Coast for JOM.
Net Result
St Kilda lose Longer and pick 46.
Richmond lose pick 24 and 60.
Gold Coast lose JOM.
St Kilda gain JOM.
Richmond gain Longer.
Gold Coast gain pick 24, 46 and 60.
Picks 24+ are basically useless to them. They need either top end draft picks, OR an established good player.
You can't choose what picks you use to take an academy or father-son.
You MUST use your next available pick.
If due to the discount that is excessive you get a later pick worth the excess points in return.
If that pick is not enough then you again MUST use you next available pick an so on.
That means they don't get a bonus first round pick because they have academy players.
They lose their first round pick on the academy player if someone bids ahead of them.
But they do get that academy player on the cheap because of the discount and the reluctance of clubs to bid for a player they have no hope of securing.
They all leave it to the club just before the academy player's.
The strategy for academy player clubs has been to trade away their first round pick for more points in numerous second round picks.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Stanley reminds me of a tall Malcolm Turnbull, a tall Marshmellow.The_President wrote:He's kicked 15 goals in 15 games.saintbob wrote:The Fireman wrote:Gee that Rhys Stanley goes ok.
Yeah, what did we get for him again???
Every time he plays a decent game someone on here jumps up and down, the bloke is a yo-to and will never be consistent.
We got Membrey for free in the same trade period.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Haven't read the thread but I'll say this anyway.
It's because he will be too good to be a second string ruck, which means there is value there. Coupled with the fact that value drops the second someone says they want out of a club. If he doesn't get opportunities over the next two years I don't want us in that seat, we've been burnt by that before.
It's because he will be too good to be a second string ruck, which means there is value there. Coupled with the fact that value drops the second someone says they want out of a club. If he doesn't get opportunities over the next two years I don't want us in that seat, we've been burnt by that before.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Nothing to do with footy but since you brought it up, Abbott was far more incompetent that Juia and at least she had the good grace to leave politics.ace wrote:I don't like the idea of trading Longer, the trade period is long enough.
Now if only we could trade Shorten for Theresa May.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Longer?
Lobb will be a ruckman ...Read the post ....the list was not compiled by me but fox footy... If you bother to read it, it did count Bruce as a pinch hitter...BigMart wrote:super saints
you listed 4 primary ruckmen as a reason GWS wouldnt recruit Longer
Mumford is a star #1 ruckman an is getting old
Dawson Simpson is injury riddled and terrible
Downie is a developing kid who's shown not much
Rory Lobb is a #2 ruckman who primarily plays forward
your "pinch hitters' don't even count as ruckmen... do we count Bruce as a ruckman? if we lose Hickey will Bruce play Ruck?
they are always one injury away from being suseptible - Mumford
You left GWS academy ruckman recruit Matthew Flynn who is playing seconds like Pierce ,
here is another article for you ... But your the expert
Athletic big man Rory Lobb isn't so much a back-up ruckman at the Giants, he's a tall forward capable of giving workhorse Shane Mumford a bit of a break when he needs it. Lobb will develop into a genuine ruckman with time, but at the moment his body isn't ready and the former basketball star from Western Australia is still learning the game, so he does his best work inside 50. Mumford relishes playing as many minutes as he can and is still arguably the club's most influential player. The Giants have youngster Tom Downie also coming along nicely in the reserves, recruited Dawson Simpson into the club last year and drafted Matthew Flynn from their academy, so their ruck stocks are looking strong. - Adam Curley
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