White Winmar wrote:If Robo could kick like Lee, that would be an answer.
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And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
I've reconsidered. He'd probably get suspended too much.HitTheBoundary wrote:White Winmar wrote:If Robo could kick like Lee, that would be an answer.
So shut this entire website down. Unless you are the coach you cant say anything.magnifisaint wrote:And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
You can certainly say it, but it certainly doesn't matter.Con Gorozidis wrote:So shut this entire website down. Unless you are the coach you cant say anything.magnifisaint wrote:And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
Let's just have alanrichardson.com and he can give his views and we can all agree.
All other footy media should be shut down Nth Korea style.
satchmo wrote:You can certainly say it, but it certainly doesn't matter.Con Gorozidis wrote:So shut this entire website down. Unless you are the coach you cant say anything.magnifisaint wrote:And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
Let's just have alanrichardson.com and he can give his views and we can all agree.
All other footy media should be shut down Nth Korea style.
desertsaint wrote:Pretty ordinary player - but just about all our players are. some we hope will come on. not sure he will, but at the moment who's going to take his place?
exactly.satchmo wrote:You can certainly say it, but it certainly doesn't matter.Con Gorozidis wrote:So shut this entire website down. Unless you are the coach you cant say anything.magnifisaint wrote:And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
Let's just have alanrichardson.com and he can give his views and we can all agree.
All other footy media should be shut down Nth Korea style.
Maybe but how many defenders can you have who dont get much of the ball?Sainternist wrote:I thought he was terrific value, particularly in 2013 and last year. We got him for virtually nothing. It's funny, he's the type of player who will go unnoticed performance wise, mainly because he's the rugged defender-type who doesn't get a hell of a lot of the ball.
Does he turn the ball over a lot? Has his intensity dropped off? How has he matched up against his opponents? He'd be a reason for concern if his opponents are beating him on a weekly basis.
Perhaps OP needed to be more specific in what part of his game is really lacking.
Con, it's no secret our defense is our weakest area. It was a huge blow to have Carlisle ruled out for the year. The real concern is that there is too much responsibility on the likes of Dempster and Fisher, who both must be nearing the twilight of their careers. With those two out, we are really going to struggle for the next month or so. By the looks of it, we're going to be in for a rough June and July. Really hope we can get those four wins before the season is out. Fewer than eight is not really an improvement on last year.Con Gorozidis wrote:Maybe but how many defenders can you have who dont get much of the ball?Sainternist wrote:I thought he was terrific value, particularly in 2013 and last year. We got him for virtually nothing. It's funny, he's the type of player who will go unnoticed performance wise, mainly because he's the rugged defender-type who doesn't get a hell of a lot of the ball.
Does he turn the ball over a lot? Has his intensity dropped off? How has he matched up against his opponents? He'd be a reason for concern if his opponents are beating him on a weekly basis.
Perhaps OP needed to be more specific in what part of his game is really lacking.
I dont think he ever matches up against quality fwds. It is usually Dempster and Fisher who still get all the big jobs. He does nothing in the air. Doesnt get much ball. His only saving grace is his tackling which is very good. But we have four blokes down back who dont get much of the ball (Gilbert, Roberton, Webster & Geary). Our backline is one of the worst in the league. Not just my opinion but statistical fact. Only the Lions, Bombers and Suns have had more scored against the ( see http://maxbarry.com/squiggle/).
So we cant keep claiming all these players are great and 'go unnoticed' and are doing some secret job that us plebs couldnt possibly understand. People need to confront the cold hard fact that we have the 4th worst defence in the league. If our defence is so statistically bad then how can all our defenders be 'under-rated' guns? It seems, if anything, they are over-rated because the stats suggest they are woeful.
Look at last week. Everyone says oh our midfield were horrible. The poor backs had no hope. But this theory doesnt stack up to the facts.
The Crows had 2.3 x more I50s but scored 2.95 x more than us.
All our defenders cant all be under rated rough diamonds when oppositions score so heavily against us so consistently.
The real questions should be:
Are we hard to score against?
Are we generating goals from our back half?
We have had 1102 points scored against us this year. We are a poor man's Port Adelaide. We can look ok when we are on a roll but we leak goals.
If we leak so many goals then all our defenders cant be 'under rated' champs doing jobs that us plebs cant possibly understand.
Well nothing really matters and we are all going to die.magnifisaint wrote:exactly.satchmo wrote:You can certainly say it, but it certainly doesn't matter.Con Gorozidis wrote:So shut this entire website down. Unless you are the coach you cant say anything.magnifisaint wrote:And you're not a coach so it doesn't matter then.WellardSaint wrote:HtB, don't attack BigMart for having an opinion.
Stay on topic.
As for Robbo, 'underrated'? By whom?
Both coaches gave him votes against Freo. Lyon and AR rate him.
Injured knee, back into seniors without hesitation.
Unanimous tick of approval by Match Committee.
They rate him.
I don't rate Robbo, so I don't agree with them.
Let's just have alanrichardson.com and he can give his views and we can all agree.
All other footy media should be shut down Nth Korea style.
lol...skeptic wrote:The thing is, Aussie Jones wasn't a particularly crash hot defender...
He had the strengths in his game to compensate for it... If he had a hand in 4-5-6 goals for us, or plays that led to goals... Who cared if his direct opponent kicked 2-3.
As it turned out, opposition needed to put defensive mids on him in their own forward line.
I don't see the quality that Roberton is bringing at the moment
But, you still let the Essendope post run, Go Figure!!!!!st.byron wrote:Wellard Saint. Have been having a look at your posting history......can't find much in the way of positive posts or anything you actually like about the Saints. Lots of bagging specific players, the coach and the team in general. Lots of posts about how crap we are.
And now you've started a thread specifically to pot Roberton. It's an ugly OP. What's the point of starting a thread with a post like that?
It's the kind of OP that can only result in an ugly thread.
Am very tempted to just lock it or delete it before it has the chance to gather any momentum.
What do you hope to achieve with a post like that? Why should the thread remain open?
That's amazing that you have highlighted that one game over 3 seasons. Exactly what part of my statement do you not agree with? The fact that he was not not a great defender or the fact that he was a great offensive player...SaintPav wrote:lol...skeptic wrote:The thing is, Aussie Jones wasn't a particularly crash hot defender...
He had the strengths in his game to compensate for it... If he had a hand in 4-5-6 goals for us, or plays that led to goals... Who cared if his direct opponent kicked 2-3.
As it turned out, opposition needed to put defensive mids on him in their own forward line.
I don't see the quality that Roberton is bringing at the moment
Who do you think was supposed to be covering Schneids in the 2005 prelim?
You're such a repository of footy knowledge, guru