If we deliberately play badly..

[samuraisaint]

Not sure of your point here dude. Please elucidate? We are rebuilding. We haven't thrown out all of our champs. Say your thing man.

[Austinnn]

Teflon, until you learn to read I'm done conversing with you.

Windy, Felix is right and 'thank the goodness' you are on this site. No matter how much we disagree re tanking etc, I love reading your posts.

[Teflon]

Teflon, until you learn to read I'm done conversing with you.

Windy, Felix is right and 'thank the goodness' you are on this site. No matter how much we disagree re tanking etc, I love reading your posts.

I don't think I ever asked you to converse with me anyway so "stop away" by all means (I thought you quoted me??) but I'll take thst to mean you don't like my reply to your diatribe (no I didn't read the second essay as I didn't have 2 spare hours...)

[Teflon]

Not sure of your point here dude. Please elucidate? We are rebuilding. We haven't thrown out all of our champs. Say your thing man.

I think my point man is your previous post differentiates between how long the Dogs have been at the bottom and Dees as if that proves something. It doesn't - if proves 2 clubs can rebuild differently and not all get it right taking into account the approach each club takes during their time at the bottom.

I think that about erudites it??

[asiu]

yea !
... thats what i thought ... footscray !!!
flew in , on the saturday of round 1 of the 2009 season ,
(we played the Swans at the Dome iirc)
... didn't know it at the time , but it was to be the true Spiritual Pilgramage.
... my one 'n only full footy season in melb
... sat with Barks in our reserved seats on Level 1 all year
... celebrated like madmen with the boys from here after the Prelim win
... spent the week leading up to the big day with Kenny 'n his family of Saints diehards
...moved out 3 days after the Granny loss ... flew on to syd hoping to kick a cat
or if i could find her , my ex mother in law.

[samuraisaint]

Not sure of your point here dude. Please elucidate? We are rebuilding. We haven't thrown out all of our champs. Say your thing man.

I think my point man is your previous post differentiates between how long the Dogs have been at the bottom and Dees as if that proves something. It doesn't - if proves 2 clubs can rebuild differently and not all get it right taking into account the approach each club takes during their time at the bottom.

I think that about erudites it??

True.

[dragit]

and meanwhile - the Bulldogs after only a few years at the bottom win against a side which decided against short term wins, propelling them onto the edge of the top 4, meanwhile the Dees, a side which have been rebuilding since 2006 lost by ten goals and are still one position below us, and will probably be two places below us in 24 hours time.
I will take a win any time at the expense of an orchestrated loss.

Dees will win a flag before before Dogington.

you heard it here first.

[Teflon]

You also cannot quantify the effect of moving up 1-5 places in draft order, other than retrospectively. Prove otherwise.

I imagine there would be very good data to support that higher picks are more likely to become better players
The success of picks 1-4 over picks 5-8 would be miles apart.
No guarantees each year obviously.

Agree Dragit and the key point here is choice - that's all the system rewards you with.... clubs can still get that wrong !! But the quality of top 5 picks now and what's known is better than ever and there's a reason they rank them ...

[samuraisaint]

yea !
... thats what i thought ... footscray !!!
flew in , on the saturday of round 1 of the 2009 season ,
(we played the Swans at the Dome iirc)
... didn't know it at the time , but it was to be the true Spiritual Pilgramage.
... my one 'n only full footy season in melb
... sat with Barks in our reserved seats on Level 1 all year
... celebrated like madmen with the boys from here after the Prelim win
...moved out 3 days after the Granny loss ... flew on to syd hoping to kick a cat
or if i could find her , my ex mother in law.

You rock Sista!

[Teflon]

and meanwhile - the Bulldogs after only a few years at the bottom win against a side which decided against short term wins, propelling them onto the edge of the top 4, meanwhile the Dees, a side which have been rebuilding since 2006 lost by ten goals and are still one position below us, and will probably be two places below us in 24 hours time.
I will take a win any time at the expense of an orchestrated loss.

Dees will win a flag before before Dogington.

you heard it here first.

That will be interesting
Dogs now have an elite fwd imo
Dees too
Both look good in the middle - Dees probably shade higher quality if Petracca is Judd like as some predicted
We are behind both IMO in quality through the Middle and hedging our bets McCartin is as at least as good as Hogan/Boyd our midfield right now is 1 paced without an elite ball user that also has line breaking speed and who can jag a goal

[samuraisaint]

and meanwhile - the Bulldogs after only a few years at the bottom win against a side which decided against short term wins, propelling them onto the edge of the top 4, meanwhile the Dees, a side which have been rebuilding since 2006 lost by ten goals and are still one position below us, and will probably be two places below us in 24 hours time.
I will take a win any time at the expense of an orchestrated loss.

Dees will win a flag before before Dogington.

you heard it here first

don't care, hate em both.

[dragit]

don't care, hate em both.

I think the point here is that it doesn't really matter which team has spent more time on the bottom, Melbourne may be building a better & more sustainable team than Footscray, rising quickly doesn't always pay and can actually hinder your chances later.

[Teflon]

don't care, hate em both.

I think the point here is that it doesn't really matter which team has spent more time on the bottom, Melbourne may be building a better & more sustainable team than Footscray, rising quickly doesn't always pay and can actually hinder your chances later.

That's true Dragit be interesting to see how Ports meteoric rise works out longer term
I suppose it's not the timing of the ride but the choices and luck you have when bottoming out - let's face it, bring bottom with N Riewoldt as the standout was probably easier than in other years where it's so even and not deep talent wise
I do believe we have to stock pile more talent I do not think we are ready to false dawn just yet

[asiu]

ta Austinnn.
(and samurai)
nice ... appreciated.

we are all here for the same thing
... a flag and keeping Plugger in line.
... may as well have a laugh doing it , whilst we banter about the how.

[saintsRrising]

Port's demise?

IMO it is not so much lack of talent but rather that opposition coaches have worked out how to combat Port's Gameplan.

You see this in AFL all the time. A team innovates in how they play, and if successful opposition coaches work on their gameplans to combat it. Good coaches then tweak or innovate again, or fall by the wayside. ie GT fell by the wayside when opposition coaches worked out how to combat GT's gameplan...ie "The Streak"...and its aftermatch. No Plan B, and so it was start of GT's demise as coach (people will forgive winners for their sins, but not losers).

You saw this with Richmond who went backawrds when opposition coaches pressured them into exposing their poor kicking skills. Hardwick has now tweaked how Rickmond play. Let;s see how the PA Bran's Trust go.

With GWS their current slimp is not just due to losing Mummy, but also that opposition coaches our countering the GWS frenetic running gameplan. Slow GWS down and they fall away.


One of the beautiful aspects of AFL is in my oppinion that it is a very tactical game. To be successful you need all of talent, work-rate, team-play and ethic, committment, fitness and strategy. Great talent can be amazing, but like with White at present unless you have it all, then it counts for naught. There is a long line of amazingly talentd players who have been at the Saints who could have been anything but where not. ie Owen, Muir, Gorozidis, McAdam, G Sidebottom, ...

[Austinnn]

I don't reckon Plugger goes too badly, but obviously plenty of folk here want to try and take him down a peg: I can see you are a bigger individual, Windy.

Barks?? Not Barks4eva, surely? Hope he was more tolerable in real life. The company we keep, eh!

May your remaining time on prison planet pass with happiness and fulfilment.

Edited the condescendingness out there.

[asiu]

yea , plugger goes alright.
.. a bit non encouraging for other posters to generally exchange chat with
coz of his up front style , but i suppose thats the 'other posters' problem to deal with.

so does barks (Barks4ever) ... go alright , i mean.
Love him.
... good mate of mine.
...opinionated twat , lol , but a passionate 'n smart man ,
who gets a tad emotional at times when putting up with non thinkn nincompoops.
We didnt talk for 3 weeks after the 09 granny loss
'n that started not long after the final siren.

... we were on different sides of the fence over GT getting sacked as well ,
so three weeks was a doddle to handle.

[BadRossco]

We don't need to deliberately play bad, with the most of our players butcher the ball the result is unlikely to be good

[Teflon]

yea , plugger goes alright.
.. a bit non encouraging for other posters to generally exchange chat with
coz of his up front style , but i suppose thats the 'other posters' problem to deal with.

so does barks (Barks4ever) ... go alright , i mean.
Love him.
... good mate of mine.
...opinionated twat , lol , but a passionate 'n smart man ,
who gets a tad emotional at times when putting up with non thinkn nincompoops.
We didnt talk for 3 weeks after the 09 granny loss
'n that started not long after the final siren.

... we were on different sides of the fence over GT getting sacked as well ,
so three weeks was a doddle to handle.

Barks is sorely missed round here
Didn't tolerate apologist flogs trying to win friends through quoting popular opinion
Just had a view and was passionate!
Some can't handle that - I enjoyed it

[Old Mate]

yea , plugger goes alright.
.. a bit non encouraging for other posters to generally exchange chat with
coz of his up front style , but i suppose thats the 'other posters' problem to deal with.

so does barks (Barks4ever) ... go alright , i mean.
Love him.
... good mate of mine.
...opinionated twat , lol , but a passionate 'n smart man ,
who gets a tad emotional at times when putting up with non thinkn nincompoops.
We didnt talk for 3 weeks after the 09 granny loss
'n that started not long after the final siren.

... we were on different sides of the fence over GT getting sacked as well ,
so three weeks was a doddle to handle.

Barks is sorely missed round here
Didn't tolerate apologist flogs trying to win friends through quoting popular opinion
Just had a view and was passionate!
Some can't handle that - I enjoyed it

Its funny how Barks and Mart were universally disliked when I found them two of the most enjoyable and interesting posters to read. BM's footy knowledge in particular is second to none.

[asiu]

Barks is sorely missed round here
Didn't tolerate apologist flogs trying to win friends through quoting popular opinion
Just had a view and was passionate! 
Some can't handle that - I enjoyed it

Ditto.


... the last we discussed , he was off ripping into a whole new breed of apologist flogs !!!
'n from what he was sayn , making enemies 'n haters four times as quickly
as he did around here.

[asiu]

[ditto]Its funny how Barks and Mart were universally disliked when I found them two of the most enjoyable and interesting posters to read. BM's footy knowledge in particular is second to none.[/ditto]

one day the punters will figure out it's a write read experience

[Teflon]

yea , plugger goes alright.
.. a bit non encouraging for other posters to generally exchange chat with
coz of his up front style , but i suppose thats the 'other posters' problem to deal with.

so does barks (Barks4ever) ... go alright , i mean.
Love him.
... good mate of mine.
...opinionated twat , lol , but a passionate 'n smart man ,
who gets a tad emotional at times when putting up with non thinkn nincompoops.
We didnt talk for 3 weeks after the 09 granny loss
'n that started not long after the final siren.

... we were on different sides of the fence over GT getting sacked as well ,
so three weeks was a doddle to handle.

Barks is sorely missed round here
Didn't tolerate apologist flogs trying to win friends through quoting popular opinion
Just had a view and was passionate!
Some can't handle that - I enjoyed it

Its funny how Barks and Mart were universally disliked when I found them two of the most enjoyable and interesting posters to read. BM's footy knowledge in particular is second to none.

Agree OM
Unlike others on here now who sadly simply critique others posts, add no original thought and just post voluminous dribble
Marto/Barks offered a view - liked or otherwise and let's face it the defence of it at times was gold
I always thought "the squares were rooted" after Barks maths lessons...

[Bunk_Moreland]

Barks was a great bloke and a real Saints man.

Marto was a flog of the highest order, arrogant in person (for some unknown reason), and a know all on football forums.

Last time I read one of his petty posts he was calling McCartin a fat diabetic. Hardly a true Saints supporter, just an internet hero cabbage.

[Trev from the Bush]

Just thought I would jump in an have my two bob's worth on the tone of the thread.

I we deliberately played badly then today proved we are the AFL's most incompetent club !