Key Position Back

[saint6709]

Who takes the second key back position to work with Delany for the next season? If Bruce doesn't go back there, surely we must get a mature bloke to play the role for a year or 2 while we develop someone else or identify a decent prospect in an upcoming trade period -- can't see Fisher 191cm or Simpkin 191cm doing it - anyone else. ? Or does Bruce just need to be played back ?

[BackFromUSA]

Sam Gilbert.

His foot surgery went very well.

[Wayne42]

I was hoping Bains was going to trade for a KPD

Now i'm i'm hoping we recruit one

[saint6709]

I was hoping Bains was going to trade for a KPD

Now i'm i'm hoping we recruit one

I hope we recruit one - but what do we do during the next few years while he develops ??

[Wayne42]

I was hoping Bains was going to trade for a KPD

Now i'm i'm hoping we recruit one

I hope we recruit one - but what do we do during the next few years while he develops ??

Struggle

[Dis Believer]

Sam Gilbert.

His foot surgery went very well.

You know that for a fact? Good news if true......

[dragit]

I think with Riewoldt… Membrey, Lee, White & Siposs vying for for the tall forward spots, Bruce will need play defence. Between Dempster, Fisher & Gilbert we should have enough tall defenders with Bruce & Delaney, Simpkin a backup.

No more recycled spuds like Mitch Brown please.

[Wayne42]

dragits list of KPD's reads like we need to recruit one, and very soon

[BackFromUSA]

Sam Gilbert.

His foot surgery went very well.

You know that for a fact? Good news if true......

Sam told my footy wife.

[Con Gorozidis]

I think with Riewoldt… Membrey, Lee, White & Siposs vying for for the tall forward spots, Bruce will need play defence. Between Dempster, Fisher & Gilbert we should have enough tall defenders with Bruce & Delaney, Simpkin a backup.

No more recycled spuds like Mitch Brown please.

Sounds from that list like we are desperate for a Key back. If our future backline depends on Depmster,Fisher & Gilbo then its fair to say we are in a lot of strife going fwd.

Bruce and Delaney is a decent start though. But I think we will need another at some stage shortly.

[Wayne42]

I think with Riewoldt… Membrey, Lee, White & Siposs vying for for the tall forward spots, Bruce will need play defence. Between Dempster, Fisher & Gilbert we should have enough tall defenders with Bruce & Delaney, Simpkin a backup.

No more recycled spuds like Mitch Brown please.

Sounds from that list like we are desperate for a Key back. If our future backline depends on Depmster,Fisher & Gilbo then its fair to say we are in a lot of strife going fwd.

Bruce and Delaney is a decent start though. But I think we will need another at some stage shortly.

Wish i had said that

[borderbarry]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft.

[Con Gorozidis]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft.

PC has him at 27 and Knightmare has him at 40.
So he is certainly in our striking range.
He is from Edenhope which I have never heard of so that has to be a good thing.

Which border are you near anyway Barry?

[dragit]

I think with Riewoldt… Membrey, Lee, White & Siposs vying for for the tall forward spots, Bruce will need play defence. Between Dempster, Fisher & Gilbert we should have enough tall defenders with Bruce & Delaney, Simpkin a backup.

No more recycled spuds like Mitch Brown please.

Sounds from that list like we are desperate for a Key back. If our future backline depends on Depmster,Fisher & Gilbo then its fair to say we are in a lot of strife going fwd.

Bruce and Delaney is a decent start though. But I think we will need another at some stage shortly.

Absolutely, what I am saying is that we shouldn't be getting in any stop gap recycled ones... Next 2 years won't matter anyway and we have a couple of senior guys who can fill the roles.

The op is suggesting we get a "mature" player in for next year - and has mentioned ex geelong Mitch Brown in another thread who is nowhere near as good as fisher & Dempster. We need to draft as many young players as possible, not top up.

[Wrote for Luck]

Roberton is obviously another tall but he needs to be operating with a full can of coke next year, but even saying that he's not a KPP.
With Membrey into the team and a fit and performing Lee we should be ok for forwards next year.

[Scoop]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft.

+1

[plugger66]

Forget about drafting key backs. They are like ruckman. get matured aged ones when you need them or turn a tall forward into as back as many are anyway. We should only be drafting mids and maybe a tall forward. Not even sure we should do that. I suppose a question that would be interesting to answer is would a team with Ablett, Fyffe, Dangerfield, Priddis, Kennedy, Parker, Hodge and no good forwards beat a team with Franklin, Roughead, Ballantyne, Rooy, Bruest, Hawkins beat a tem with no good mids. Im going for the mids side and by a fair margin.

[Con Gorozidis]

Forget about drafting key backs. They are like ruckman. get matured aged ones when you need them or turn a tall forward into as back as many are anyway. We should only be drafting mids and maybe a tall forward. Not even sure we should do that. I suppose a question that would be interesting to answer is would a team with Ablett, Fyffe, Dangerfield, Priddis, Kennedy, Parker, Hodge and no good forwards beat a team with Franklin, Roughead, Ballantyne, Rooy, Bruest, Hawkins beat a tem with no good mids. Im going for the mids side and by a fair margin.

Im not trying to get in an argument but I suggest you re-visit your logic. Firstly obviously you want a balanced list. So the all mids v all kpps question isnt really a question at all.

Secondly footy clubs go on trends. So I assume you are basing your no key backs idea on the fact lake, gibson, mcpharlin, frawley, richards are all re-cycled. But if all 18 clubs took your logic - and copied this approach then by definition noone would draft a key back or a key position player.

Then say one side did draft a kpp - 1/18 - then that kpp would become immensely valuable as there wouldnt be any other key ps in the whole comp because everyone had thought like you and not drafted them hoping to recycle them later. The club that did have the one single good key back (seeing none were drafted) would then be able to trade them for a lot. Look at Melbourne - ok Frawley has gone to the hawks - but Melbourne are not the loser form this - theyd be more than happy with the pick 3 for him.

This is actually a game theory problem (which basically means you need to adjust your own strategy based on the strategy of your competitors) . Luckily you arent on our drafting committee.

At the end of the day you just need good players. If you can get good players in multiple positions - well then you are doing real well.

Anyway - Oscar McDonald at pick 41 would be awesome imho.

[gringo]

Forget about drafting key backs. They are like ruckman. get matured aged ones when you need them or turn a tall forward into as back as many are anyway. We should only be drafting mids and maybe a tall forward. Not even sure we should do that. I suppose a question that would be interesting to answer is would a team with Ablett, Fyffe, Dangerfield, Priddis, Kennedy, Parker, Hodge and no good forwards beat a team with Franklin, Roughead, Ballantyne, Rooy, Bruest, Hawkins beat a tem with no good mids. Im going for the mids side and by a fair margin.

Im not trying to get in an argument but I suggest you re-visit your logic. Firstly obviously you want a balanced list. So the all mids v all kpps question isnt really a question at all.

Secondly footy clubs go on trends. So I assume you are basing your no key backs idea on the fact lake, gibson, mcpharlin, frawley, richards are all re-cycled. But if all 18 clubs took your logic - and copied this approach then by definition noone would draft a key back or a key position player.

Then say one side did draft a kpp - 1/18 - then that kpp would become immensely valuable as there wouldnt be any other key ps in the whole comp because everyone had thought like you and not drafted them hoping to recycle them later. The club that did have the one single good key back (seeing none were drafted) would then be able to trade them for a lot. Look at Melbourne - ok Frawley has gone to the hawks - but Melbourne are not the loser form this - theyd be more than happy with the pick 3 for him. This is actually a game theory problem. Luckily you arent on our drafting committee.

At the end of the day you just need good players. If you can get good players in multiple positions - well then you are doing real well.

Anyway - Oscar McDonald at pick 41 would be awesome imho.

I think we should definitely keep grabbing mids but no more inside mids unless they are absolute stand outs. We need some class and speed on the outside and still need to look at getting another KPB in. Petracca will probably come in and that will mean another guy who can win his own ball but also strong ball carrier and play maker then we have Dunstan, Armo and Ross who are mostly inside types. Steven the only outside speedy type ATM hopefully Billings and Newnes can go through there too and Saunders might also be an option. Joey should step back up this year hopefully. Curren, Weller, Minchington and Ray are a bit of depth but probably not going to get to a grade status. I hope we get Cockatoo or Pickett or Garlett someone with a bit of toe and excitement.

[plugger66]

Forget about drafting key backs. They are like ruckman. get matured aged ones when you need them or turn a tall forward into as back as many are anyway. We should only be drafting mids and maybe a tall forward. Not even sure we should do that. I suppose a question that would be interesting to answer is would a team with Ablett, Fyffe, Dangerfield, Priddis, Kennedy, Parker, Hodge and no good forwards beat a team with Franklin, Roughead, Ballantyne, Rooy, Bruest, Hawkins beat a tem with no good mids. Im going for the mids side and by a fair margin.

Im not trying to get in an argument but I suggest you re-visit your logic. Firstly obviously you want a balanced list. So the all mids v all kpps question isnt really a question at all.

Secondly footy clubs go on trends. So I assume you are basing your no key backs idea on the fact lake, gibson, mcpharlin, frawley, richards are all re-cycled. But if all 18 clubs took your logic - and copied this approach then by definition noone would draft a key back or a key position player.

Then say one side did draft a kpp - 1/18 - then that kpp would become immensely valuable as there wouldnt be any other key ps in the whole comp because everyone had thought like you and not drafted them hoping to recycle them later. The club that did have the one single good key back (seeing none were drafted) would then be able to trade them for a lot. Look at Melbourne - ok Frawley has gone to the hawks - but Melbourne are not the loser form this - theyd be more than happy with the pick 3 for him.

This is actually a game theory problem (which basically means you need to adjust your own strategy based on the strategy of your competitors) . Luckily you arent on our drafting committee.

At the end of the day you just need good players. If you can get good players in multiple positions - well then you are doing real well.

Anyway - Oscar McDonald at pick 41 would be awesome imho.

Did you read what I actually wrote? I also said you can make a back from a forward so they all don't have to be recycled. I will give you a tip, we could have Plugger and Silvagno in our side and we would still get beaten by huge margins because our mids aren't good enough and we don't have enough of them, well certainly true mids. Backs and rucks should now be later picks or recycled or in the backs case turned from forwards into backs. The rider on that is a Rooy or a Franklin type.

I love the way you say I am wrong and use examples to prove I am right. Sounds like you are just saying I am wrong for the sake of it. By the way which side do you think would win Con?

[stinger]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft.

PC has him at 27 and Knightmare has him at 40.
So he is certainly in our striking range.
He is from Edenhope which I have never heard of so that has to be a good thing.

Which border are you near anyway Barry?

that one........you have never hear of edenhope...????unbelievable

[Con Gorozidis]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft

PC has him at 27 and Knightmare has him at 40.
So he is certainly in our striking range.
He is from Edenhope which I have never heard of so that has to be a good thing.

Which border are you near anyway Barry?

that one........you have never hear of edenhope...????unbelievable

Fraid to admit it sting.
I have been to mt gambier as a kid and done the trip to adelaide a few times as well the grampians and stawell a few times.
ive had a dip at border town and a pie at tailem bend.
but not been to edenhope. Im sure im not alone on that score.

[stinger]

Which is why I hope we select Oscar McDonald in the draft

PC has him at 27 and Knightmare has him at 40.
So he is certainly in our striking range.
He is from Edenhope which I have never heard of so that has to be a good thing.

Which border are you near anyway Barry?

that one........you have never hear of edenhope...????unbelievable

Fraid to admit it sting.
I have been to mt gambier as a kid and done the trip to adelaide a few times as well the grampians and stawell a few times.
ive had a dip at border town and a pie at tailem bend.
but not been to edenhope. Im sure im not alone on that score.

on the road to narracourte. near vic/sa border..........ballarat, ararat, stawell....edenhope......did you get my pm...

[Toy Saint]

To be fair, you don't really pass through Edenhope on the way to anywhere in particular.......unless you're going from Horsham to Mt Gambier.

Pretty sure Edenhope is the birthplace of a very good footballer, possibly one of the most talented Collingwood players in the past 40 years.

Anybody care to guess?

[Con Gorozidis]