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citywest wrote:How do you recruit smart if you don't have high picks?

Try uncontracted gun players like Jaksch Plowman Orourke for a start from Gws
Also a bloke called Sloane is restricted free agent 8-) might head home 2015 likes saints very much does Sloane. 8-)


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There were rumours last trade that we were keen on Dylan Shiel however being contracted GWS wouldn't let him go. There's further rumours that he's at the top of our wish list again this upcoming trade period.


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lloyd21 wrote:
citywest wrote:How do you recruit smart if you don't have high picks?

Try uncontracted gun players like Jaksch Plowman Orourke for a start from Gws
Also a bloke called Sloane is restricted free agent 8-) might head home 2015 likes saints very much does Sloane. 8-)
Sloane is contracted through until the end of 2015 - but yes definitely after that we should have a real dip for him. He will only be 26 in 2016 if we got him then.... We could offer him 4 years.


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Post: # 1460533Post Old Mate »

The silver lining losing to Carlton is we go one step closer to getting a top 2-3 draft pick and likely a very talented key forward. You could say last nights game was an 8 point game....


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citywest wrote:
ShanghaiSaint wrote:ask the harks they seem to be going ok since 2010

their last norm smith wasn't a high pick
True.
Should we be recruiting more left footers? (Hawks premiers...)
I see many weaknesses in our players.
Stanley , Maister, Dennis Lane, Melera are all no good. ( ie Presenting, light, flimsy built,) They lack urgency that a Milne gave us...
If we keep trodding out Schinder and Maister, we won't go anywhere.

What frustrates me more is our strategy in kick ins.
You got Gwilt who is an excellent kick of the footy kicking short dinky little kicks.
Why doesn't the coach instruct a big 50 meter kick out of the arc to say a tall ruckman on the end?
..
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Post: # 1460997Post Old Mate »

A quick glance and comparison of two of last years draft picks

Dunstan vs Wines

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p ... 1=O&fid2=O

Billings vs Wingard

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p ... 1=O&fid2=O

And you easily see why the club is excited about these two. Wait to Acres gains full fitness. He's hardly been on the track for the past 12 months.


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Post: # 1461007Post MC Gusto »

I would really like to see milers given one final crack this year. 3-5 games in a row to see if he finds his spot. If not then sure delist the bloke. I just have a gut feel that he could be something special


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The 20 players to watch at the NAB AFL U18 Champs

WITH the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships starting this weekend, it is a perfect opportunity to make note of some of the talented draft prospects of 2014.

Here's a list, in alphabetical order, of 20 players to watch through the national carnival, which starts on Sunday when Vic Country and Vic Metro face off.

Also tune into the first Road to the Draft podcast, featuring AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey and Nat Edwards.

There will be a weekly podcast throughout the championships with analysis of games and future stars, as well as guest interviews and a close look at the next generation of AFL players.

Peter Bampton
From: Norwood/South Australia
DOB: 15/4/96
Height / weight: 182cm/78kg
Midfielder
He might not be overly fashionable, but Bampton will gather plenty of the ball for South Australia during the championships. He has significant senior experience in the SANFL over the last two years and has done well, using his clean hands and mature body to bustle through and collect possessions. He will do the same for his state over the next eight or so weeks.

Angus Brayshaw
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
9/1/96
187cm/86kg
Midfielder
Through hard work Brayshaw has become one of the top-line midfield options of the draft. Focusing on his fitness and speed, Brayshaw, the son of North Melbourne board member and former player Mark, started this season as the form player of the TAC Cup. Good at the stoppages, Brayshaw is also an excellent kick on both feet and finds plenty of the ball.

Jordan Cunico
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
7/5/96
184cm/72kg
Half-forward
Cunico might not have the established reputation of some others on the list, but he's one to watch through the championships. Cunico is likely to produce some exciting moments during the carnival, be it a high mark or a clever goal. Has good skills both sides of his body and plays with pace – he's active and gets things moving. He can also shift to half-back if called on.

Liam Duggan
Western Jets/Vic Metro
11/12/96
183cm/76kg
Half-back/midfielder
Duggan's weapon is his left-foot disposal: he hits passes over short and long distances and likes having the ball in his hand. Generally that has been off half-back but recently he has moved into an inside midfield role, where he has excelled at TAC Cup level.

Sam Durdin
West Adelaide/South Australia
6/6/96
196cm/87kg
Tall forward/defender
Durdin will be South Australia's top draftee this year, and could go very early if he can produce his best at the under-18 championships. Although he played last year's carnival as a ruckman for his state, he will be used as a centre-half forward or centre-half back this time, where he can show his marking strength and ability to read the play. He has had an underdone start to the year after thumb surgery ruled him out of action for 10 weeks.

Corey Ellis
Western Jets/Vic Metro
9/10/96
185cm/76kg
Midfielder
Ellis might end up as one of the first midfielders picked at November's draft. The left-footer is a quick thinker: it only takes him an instant to weigh up the situation and what to do with the ball. He's versatile but best suited to winning his own disposals, and then using his skills to set things up.

Hugh Goddard
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
24/8/96
195cm/92kg
Tall forward/defender
Goddard got a taste of things last year when he played four games for Vic Country in the under-18 championships as a 16-year-old. He has the ability to switch to both ends of the ground, but has played mainly as a forward this year. The cousin of Bomber Brendon, Goddard competes hard, flies for marks and gets his hands dirty when the ball's on the ground.

Isaac Heeney
Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT
5/5/96
186cm/82kg
Midfielder
Expect Heeney to dominate the division two championships for the Rams. Some recruiters rate the strong and athletic 17-year-old as the best midfielder in the draft. Heeney is a star at the stoppages, working his way through traffic, finding the ball and then getting it out. Heeney is already linked to the Swans as part of their zone Academy, meaning they have access to him in the same way as clubs do with father-sons.


Tom Lamb
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
19/10/96
193cm/84kg
Tall forward/midfielder
Lamb is one of the unique players in this year's draft because he can do some amazing things others can't. At 193cm he can hold down a key forward position and kick goals – he booted six in round one of the TAC Cup and five for the AIS-AFL Academy while overseas. But he can also play as a big, strong and hard-running midfielder, shown when he gathered 33 disposals for the Dandenong Stingrays recently. He's working on his consistency so that he does it more often, but will be keen to play a bit of both roles for Vic Country.

Jayden Laverde
Western Jets/Vic Metro
12/4/96
189cm/82kg
Half-back/midfield
A nice size for modern football, Laverde can play in a number of roles and do things with composure. Athletic and quick, Laverde moves well and caught the eye last year playing for the Western Jets as a bottom-age player. The 18-year-old is prepared to take some risks and run with the ball.

Jake Lever
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
5/3/96
191cm/82kg
Tall defender
While we won't see Lever in action during this year's championships, it is worthwhile including him in this list as his draft position will be a major point of discussion through the year. After captaining Vic Metro in one game during last year's carnival, Lever won't play at all this season following a knee reconstruction last December after a training mishap. Where he goes in the draft is now hard to assess: will last year's form be enough to keep him pegged as a high selection, or will a full season out push him down the group?

Brayden Maynard
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
20/9/96
186cm/88kg
Medium defender
With his father Peter a member of Glenelg's Hall of Fame in South Australia, Maynard comes with good footy pedigree. He's a tough player who builds his game around the contested side. At 186cm he's probably best suited to a half-back role, and he needs to work on his endurance, but he does have an impact with his physicality, particularly when he moves into the midfield for bursts.

Patrick McCartin
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
19/4/96
192cm/90kg
Tall forward
Everything about McCartin says he's a natural forward. He reads the play well, has a little burst of speed on the lead and makes space, and his hands are strong and clean. He plays with some aggression, too, jumping into packs and making a contest every time. McCartin isn't as tall as some of the other keys in this draft but plays taller than most. He starred at last year's championships as a bottom-ager, kicking five goals for Vic Country against Western Australia.

Darcy Moore
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
25/1/96
199cm/93kg
Tall forward/defender
Some recruiters rank Collingwood's father-son prospect as the best player of this year's draft class. Moore, whose dad Peter played 172 games with the Magpies, has had an injury-interrupted past year or so but has strung together some games with the Oakleigh Chargers this season and impressed. Whenever the ball is in the air in his vicinity, he's there to grab it. Injury ruled him out of playing for Vic Metro last year when he was in the initial squad.

Jarrod Pickett
South Fremantle/Western Australia
18/8/96
178cm/76kg
Midfielder/half-forward
Pickett will excite with his speed and knack for producing eye-catching moments. His pace is the central element to his game: he runs a 2.81 second 20-metre sprint and he knows it, regularly bursting out of stoppages, taking a couple of bounces and delivering the pass. He's just as likely to take a big mark, land on his feet and then bolt off.

Christian Petracca
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
4/1/96
185cm/92kg
Medium forward/midfielder
Petracca is the draft's point of difference. He's a big, strong and powerful forward who outmuscles almost everyone in one-on-ones and is taking his talents into the midfield. Petracca has a presence when the ball's in his area: he hustles and bustles through packs, breaks tackles, pushes and shoves and wants the ball in his hands. He's most comfortable around goal, but is working on using his improved aerobic capacity in an on-ball role.

Clem Smith
Perth/Western Australia
3/2/96
177cm/67kg
Small defender/midfielder
There's not a player like Smith in this draft. He's a small and powerful prospect who enjoys the bash-and-crash elements of the game. He likes to lay bumps and shepherds, and attack the contest. The West Australian played last year's under-18 championships and was named an All Australian for his work in defence, but expect him to move up the ground this year and use his class and ball-winning skills from flank to flank. Smith has thrived at senior WAFL level at the start of this season.

Alec Waterman
Claremont/Western Australia
19/8/96
183cm/87kg
Midfielder
West Coast has first rights to grab Waterman as a father-son player, given his dad Chris played 177 games for the club, including the 1992 and 1994 premierships. So far Waterman has shown he would be worthy of selection, given his ability to rack up big numbers in the middle of the ground. In four games for Claremont at under-18 level this year Waterman has averaged nearly 31 disposals. He's not overly explosive, but he knows where to go to get the ball in his hands and does it week after week.

Lachie Weller
Southport/Gold Coast Academy/Queensland
23/2/96
181cm/71kg
Midfielder
Weller is a damaging midfielder with excellent skills and a good sense of how the game will unfold. With the ball in hand Weller arches his back and sets up the play for others, but can also drift forward and regularly kicks goals. Weller, whose brother Mav plays for St Kilda after several seasons with Gold Coast, stood out for Queensland during last year's championships as a bottom-ager.

Peter Wright
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
8/9/96
203cm/94kg
Tall forward/ruckman
The possible No.1 pick enters the championships with some form under his belt after a six-goal haul for the Calder Cannons last week. All of his goals came in the second half and three were from outside 50 metres, underlining perhaps Wright's biggest strength: his elite kicking. Wright has kicked 17 goals in five TAC Cup games so far this season.

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Post: # 1461047Post dragit »

Commentary will be interesting if we end up with 2 Wellers, 2 Wrights & a White.


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Post: # 1461064Post ROLS-LEE »

Tom lamb looks the goods also. Tall midfielder that can go forward sounds like Goodes mark 2


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Post: # 1461081Post Con Gorozidis »

Thanks Old Mate - appreciate that.
Goddard and Pickett would suit our needs very nicely thank you very much.

The Pelican will be drooling over those left footers though :D


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Post: # 1462559Post Old Mate »

Some quality talls in this draft. A good chance the first 4 draft picks are key position talls.


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[quote="Old Mate"]The 20 players to watch at the NAB AFL U18 Champs

WITH the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships starting this weekend, it is a perfect opportunity to make note of some of the talented draft prospects of 2014.

Here's a list, in alphabetical order, of 20 players to watch through the national carnival, which starts on Sunday when Vic Country and Vic Metro face off.

Also tune into the first Road to the Draft podcast, featuring AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey and Nat Edwards.

There will be a weekly podcast throughout the championships with analysis of games and future stars, as well as guest interviews and a close look at the next generation of AFL players.

Peter Bampton
From: Norwood/South Australia
DOB: 15/4/96
Height / weight: 182cm/78kg
Midfielder
He might not be overly fashionable, but Bampton will gather plenty of the ball for South Australia during the championships. He has significant senior experience in the SANFL over the last two years and has done well, using his clean hands and mature body to bustle through and collect possessions. He will do the same for his state over the next eight or so weeks.

Angus Brayshaw
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
9/1/96
187cm/86kg
Midfielder
Through hard work Brayshaw has become one of the top-line midfield options of the draft. Focusing on his fitness and speed, Brayshaw, the son of North Melbourne board member and former player Mark, started this season as the form player of the TAC Cup. Good at the stoppages, Brayshaw is also an excellent kick on both feet and finds plenty of the ball.

Jordan Cunico
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
7/5/96
184cm/72kg
Half-forward
Cunico might not have the established reputation of some others on the list, but he's one to watch through the championships. Cunico is likely to produce some exciting moments during the carnival, be it a high mark or a clever goal. Has good skills both sides of his body and plays with pace – he's active and gets things moving. He can also shift to half-back if called on.

Liam Duggan
Western Jets/Vic Metro
11/12/96
183cm/76kg
Half-back/midfielder
Duggan's weapon is his left-foot disposal: he hits passes over short and long distances and likes having the ball in his hand. Generally that has been off half-back but recently he has moved into an inside midfield role, where he has excelled at TAC Cup level.

Sam Durdin
West Adelaide/South Australia
6/6/96
196cm/87kg
Tall forward/defender
Durdin will be South Australia's top draftee this year, and could go very early if he can produce his best at the under-18 championships. Although he played last year's carnival as a ruckman for his state, he will be used as a centre-half forward or centre-half back this time, where he can show his marking strength and ability to read the play. He has had an underdone start to the year after thumb surgery ruled him out of action for 10 weeks.

Corey Ellis
Western Jets/Vic Metro
9/10/96
185cm/76kg
Midfielder
Ellis might end up as one of the first midfielders picked at November's draft. The left-footer is a quick thinker: it only takes him an instant to weigh up the situation and what to do with the ball. He's versatile but best suited to winning his own disposals, and then using his skills to set things up.

Hugh Goddard
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
24/8/96
195cm/92kg
Tall forward/defender
Goddard got a taste of things last year when he played four games for Vic Country in the under-18 championships as a 16-year-old. He has the ability to switch to both ends of the ground, but has played mainly as a forward this year. The cousin of Bomber Brendon, Goddard competes hard, flies for marks and gets his hands dirty when the ball's on the ground.

Isaac Heeney
Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT
5/5/96
186cm/82kg
Midfielder
Expect Heeney to dominate the division two championships for the Rams. Some recruiters rate the strong and athletic 17-year-old as the best midfielder in the draft. Heeney is a star at the stoppages, working his way through traffic, finding the ball and then getting it out. Heeney is already linked to the Swans as part of their zone Academy, meaning they have access to him in the same way as clubs do with father-sons.


Tom Lamb
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
19/10/96
193cm/84kg
Tall forward/midfielder
Lamb is one of the unique players in this year's draft because he can do some amazing things others can't. At 193cm he can hold down a key forward position and kick goals – he booted six in round one of the TAC Cup and five for the AIS-AFL Academy while overseas. But he can also play as a big, strong and hard-running midfielder, shown when he gathered 33 disposals for the Dandenong Stingrays recently. He's working on his consistency so that he does it more often, but will be keen to play a bit of both roles for Vic Country.

Jayden Laverde
Western Jets/Vic Metro
12/4/96
189cm/82kg
Half-back/midfield
A nice size for modern football, Laverde can play in a number of roles and do things with composure. Athletic and quick, Laverde moves well and caught the eye last year playing for the Western Jets as a bottom-age player. The 18-year-old is prepared to take some risks and run with the ball.

Jake Lever
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
5/3/96
191cm/82kg
Tall defender
While we won't see Lever in action during this year's championships, it is worthwhile including him in this list as his draft position will be a major point of discussion through the year. After captaining Vic Metro in one game during last year's carnival, Lever won't play at all this season following a knee reconstruction last December after a training mishap. Where he goes in the draft is now hard to assess: will last year's form be enough to keep him pegged as a high selection, or will a full season out push him down the group?

Brayden Maynard
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
20/9/96
186cm/88kg
Medium defender
With his father Peter a member of Glenelg's Hall of Fame in South Australia, Maynard comes with good footy pedigree. He's a tough player who builds his game around the contested side. At 186cm he's probably best suited to a half-back role, and he needs to work on his endurance, but he does have an impact with his physicality, particularly when he moves into the midfield for bursts.

Patrick McCartin
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
19/4/96
192cm/90kg
Tall forward
Everything about McCartin says he's a natural forward. He reads the play well, has a little burst of speed on the lead and makes space, and his hands are strong and clean. He plays with some aggression, too, jumping into packs and making a contest every time. McCartin isn't as tall as some of the other keys in this draft but plays taller than most. He starred at last year's championships as a bottom-ager, kicking five goals for Vic Country against Western Australia.

Darcy Moore
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
25/1/96
199cm/93kg
Tall forward/defender
Some recruiters rank Collingwood's father-son prospect as the best player of this year's draft class. Moore, whose dad Peter played 172 games with the Magpies, has had an injury-interrupted past year or so but has strung together some games with the Oakleigh Chargers this season and impressed. Whenever the ball is in the air in his vicinity, he's there to grab it. Injury ruled him out of playing for Vic Metro last year when he was in the initial squad.

Jarrod Pickett
South Fremantle/Western Australia
18/8/96
178cm/76kg
Midfielder/half-forward
Pickett will excite with his speed and knack for producing eye-catching moments. His pace is the central element to his game: he runs a 2.81 second 20-metre sprint and he knows it, regularly bursting out of stoppages, taking a couple of bounces and delivering the pass. He's just as likely to take a big mark, land on his feet and then bolt off.

Christian Petracca
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
4/1/96
185cm/92kg
Medium forward/midfielder
Petracca is the draft's point of difference. He's a big, strong and powerful forward who outmuscles almost everyone in one-on-ones and is taking his talents into the midfield. Petracca has a presence when the ball's in his area: he hustles and bustles through packs, breaks tackles, pushes and shoves and wants the ball in his hands. He's most comfortable around goal, but is working on using his improved aerobic capacity in an on-ball role.

Clem Smith
Perth/Western Australia
3/2/96
177cm/67kg
Small defender/midfielder
There's not a player like Smith in this draft. He's a small and powerful prospect who enjoys the bash-and-crash elements of the game. He likes to lay bumps and shepherds, and attack the contest. The West Australian played last year's under-18 championships and was named an All Australian for his work in defence, but expect him to move up the ground this year and use his class and ball-winning skills from flank to flank. Smith has thrived at senior WAFL level at the start of this season.

Alec Waterman
Claremont/Western Australia
19/8/96
183cm/87kg
Midfielder
West Coast has first rights to grab Waterman as a father-son player, given his dad Chris played 177 games for the club, including the 1992 and 1994 premierships. So far Waterman has shown he would be worthy of selection, given his ability to rack up big numbers in the middle of the ground. In four games for Claremont at under-18 level this year Waterman has averaged nearly 31 disposals. He's not overly explosive, but he knows where to go to get the ball in his hands and does it week after week.

Lachie Weller
Southport/Gold Coast Academy/Queensland
23/2/96
181cm/71kg
Midfielder
Weller is a damaging midfielder with excellent skills and a good sense of how the game will unfold. With the ball in hand Weller arches his back and sets up the play for others, but can also drift forward and regularly kicks goals. Weller, whose brother Mav plays for St Kilda after several seasons with Gold Coast, stood out for Queensland during last year's championships as a bottom-ager.

Peter Wright
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
8/9/96
203cm/94kg
Tall forward/ruckman
The possible No.1 pick enters the championships with some form under his belt after a six-goal haul for the Calder Cannons last week. All of his goals came in the second half and three were from outside 50 metres, underlining perhaps Wright's biggest strength: his elite kicking. Wright has kicked 17 goals in five TAC Cup games so


:D I hope we get Lamb & Petracca & get Jaksch / Plowman as uncontracted Gws


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Great Post.

1. Get Hugh Goddard with pick 1. Hes huge strong, 195cm (and possibly still growing)
Go to AFL.com.au listen to him talk. Hes already a man with huge balls and could captain an AFL team. Get him, he will captain our next flag.
2. Key Defender or Power Forward with Pick 19. Lever or wright if lucky enough.
3. Fast Pacey Players. Just get the quickest players available. Thats what geelong did. 3rd rounders still provide great pace options. Dont have to be the standouts. Get em in and teach them. Cannot teach pace. Just make sure they have balls (unlike stanley). Thats it PACE and BALLS = FLAGS.

If we can walk away with 2 quality KPPs, a bunch of the fastest small/medium types ill be stoked.
If we get some 'inside midfielder with'average pace, a KPP from the city with no balls. ill be @#$%^&*()


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Just to note I think Stanley has balls compared to us average blokes. Anyone who makes AFL has balls comparing to the average normal world. I am talking about the elite world of AFL and professional sport. In THAT world Stanley along with others like Siposs, Lee, White DONT have balls. We want flags? We need balls. This is what hawks and Cats understand. We are still yet to understand this. Hopefully Richo does and will change that. The drafting last year suggests this.


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Post: # 1462985Post dragit »

Maybe they should list aggot circumference in the draft profiles...

Pace is no good if you can't play or kick... Geelong have had a few of those over the years... Tenace & Spriggs.


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At seasons end I think jones , fisher, dunnel, tdl and most likely Hayes will be gone. I don't think we can afford to lose armo as we'll. I think he sets a good example and is one of only a few players that are in there prime. I doubt Gilbert and gwilt hold much currency and will be better value staying on our list.

With the experience playing leaving soon, I wonder if it worth looking a free agent like rosa from west coast if he doesn't cost to much. His around 27 years old and is playing some good footy. I know his not gonna be in our next finals team but with a few years left would take some heat of the young players when Hayes,monty, jonesy are finished. Bit like vince, cross are doing at the dees


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Post: # 1463155Post plugger66 »

spot on wrote:At seasons end I think jones , fisher, dunnel, tdl and most likely Hayes will be gone. I don't think we can afford to lose armo as we'll. I think he sets a good example and is one of only a few players that are in there prime. I doubt Gilbert and gwilt hold much currency and will be better value staying on our list.

With the experience playing leaving soon, I wonder if it worth looking a free agent like rosa from west coast if he doesn't cost to much. His around 27 years old and is playing some good footy. I know his not gonna be in our next finals team but with a few years left would take some heat of the young players when Hayes,monty, jonesy are finished. Bit like vince, cross are doing at the dees

I dont think we need a FA for experience. We already have our Vince and cross in Joey and baring injury lenny for next season. On top of them we will still have Rooy, Schneider, baring injury and Dempster.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463192Post Jimmy O'Dea »

SMS wrote:Great Post.

1. Get Hugh Goddard with pick 1. Hes huge strong, 195cm (and possibly still growing)
Go to AFL.com.au listen to him talk. Hes already a man with huge balls and could captain an AFL team. Get him, he will captain our next flag.
2. Key Defender or Power Forward with Pick 19. Lever or wright if lucky enough.
3. Fast Pacey Players. Just get the quickest players available. Thats what geelong did. 3rd rounders still provide great pace options. Dont have to be the standouts. Get em in and teach them. Cannot teach pace. Just make sure they have balls (unlike stanley). Thats it PACE and BALLS = FLAGS.

If we can walk away with 2 quality KPPs, a bunch of the fastest small/medium types ill be stoked.
If we get some 'inside midfielder with'average pace, a KPP from the city with no balls. ill be @#$%^&*()
Tell me you haven't see Hugh Goddard play, as he is not a powerful hard hitting forward. More in the Jack Watts mould. McCartin is the one who splits open packs, takes strong grabs and the closest thing to Plugger that has come out of the under 18's. Plays the same way, same height etc, quick of the mark and reads the play so well. He even leads like the great man. Better hands than Hogan and Boyd.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463229Post Sainternist »

It's hard to know who we're going to be trading at the end of the season. At least players with market value anyway. Would any club actually be interested in the likes of Gwilt? I hate to say it, but I think he's got the remainder of the season left in him before his AFL career is all but over. Unless he wants to become a VFL specialist.

I think we'll need to hang on to players with the caliber of Joey. You need at least two or three champion veterans to mentor the younger players.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463240Post gringo »

Jimmy O'Dea wrote:
SMS wrote:Great Post.

1. Get Hugh Goddard with pick 1. Hes huge strong, 195cm (and possibly still growing)
Go to AFL.com.au listen to him talk. Hes already a man with huge balls and could captain an AFL team. Get him, he will captain our next flag.
2. Key Defender or Power Forward with Pick 19. Lever or wright if lucky enough.
3. Fast Pacey Players. Just get the quickest players available. Thats what geelong did. 3rd rounders still provide great pace options. Dont have to be the standouts. Get em in and teach them. Cannot teach pace. Just make sure they have balls (unlike stanley). Thats it PACE and BALLS = FLAGS.

If we can walk away with 2 quality KPPs, a bunch of the fastest small/medium types ill be stoked.
If we get some 'inside midfielder with'average pace, a KPP from the city with no balls. ill be @#$%^&*()
Tell me you haven't see Hugh Goddard play, as he is not a powerful hard hitting forward. More in the Jack Watts mould. McCartin is the one who splits open packs, takes strong grabs and the closest thing to Plugger that has come out of the under 18's. Plays the same way, same height etc, quick of the mark and reads the play so well. He even leads like the great man. Better hands than Hogan and Boyd.
Wright will most likely be the number 1 pick so would be shocked if he snuck through to the second round. Goddard was talked about as the number 1 pick for a couple of years but has been played back and lost some mystique. Mc Cartin is a diabetic and some seem worried about that. Brayshaw is getting higher up the order, Durdin is highly rated but maybe a SA go home. Lever is looking top 10, Lamb is Ian Coopers grandson and hard to know where he will go. Has a reputation that follows him with plenty not wanting him. Could go top 6 could go second round.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463287Post Old Mate »

Wright is the favourite for top pick and odds on to end up at the Lions. He could end up ruck/forward although at the moment he's playing more forward/ruck. A bit of a worry is he's already having reacurring back related injuries at a young age. Common for big kids not yet grown into his body. Buyer beware.

McCartin is the Power forward/traditional full forward, plays deep and takes contested marks. Big concerns on his kicking though. Massive yips, something he needs to overcome if he's going top 5. Diabetes a concern as well but from all reports he's managed it well over his junior career.

Goddard has been playing forward mainly this year and is a bit like N Roo in that he's the athlete of the draft with very good aerobic capacity. As gringo said, plays down back too. I reckon his stocks will continue to rise with an emphasis on players having massive tanks (power forwards like Cloke down on form with interchange cap). He's also an elite left footer. I think he would be near the top of our wish list and a perfect Riewoldt replacement.

Lambs stocks rising having a good start to the year. Snagged 5-6 goals for AIS. Very quick, X factor type and a good size. A more talented Markworth is a worthy comparison. Very one way player that lacks a defensive and accountable game. But a lot to work with. Will probably go top 10. Trained with us so we'd have an idea of his level of talent.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463311Post gringo »

I think we are in a great position to tempt some GWS talent. We have money to spend just to meet minimum salary cap commitments. We have a special permission to pay out next years wages this year to meet minimum total payments. We need someone like Fyfe or Dangermouse to come in on $1mill in his first year tapering to $400 000 in 4 years.


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Re: 2014 List Management - Draft & Trade Discussion

Post: # 1463321Post St Chris »

I think we should have a "Nobody 23 or Under Gets Chopped" policy for this season, at least from the senior list.

I see calls for White to be cut, Siposs, even Lee to go, but I'm more than happy to keep them around with youth on their side.

Dunnell and Simpkin both fall outside this, and I think they're in trouble. Dunnell is a good VFL player, nothing more, and I like the way Simpkin goes about it, but is just too undersized to play key defender. Same height as Fisher and Dempster, both who have/do offer much more offensively.

Retirements will help also, with Lenny and Sam Fisher expected to go. I'd love to see Lenny go again, and he's playing well enough, but when you get to the end of the season having been smacked most weeks and finishing in the bottom couple, I just think the prospect of another pre-season might be a bit too much for the great man to commit to. Hopefully I'm wrong. Schnieder might be added to this list if he has more trouble with his body.

Next is the mature age GOP's. Keep Maister as depth (god help us if Roo goes down), TDL can go, Ray and Jones maybe gone, dunno about Gwilt. Milera will get a few more games to prove his worth, but i was really impressed this week against the Suns. No longer a liability when we dont have the ball.

Lets talk about Joey. He's the next in line for free agency. We've shown in the past we're happy to let champions walk, would not surprise me one bit to see him at another club this year.

As for the rookies, Michington is the only obvious out, having not showed a heap. Shenton needs to show he can contribute at the top level (like he did this week), and Holmes seems to be an interesting project. Eli and Mav Weller are AFL footballers, both need a bit of work but I could see both playing 150+ games at the club.

Out:
Hayes
Fisher
Dunnell
Simpkin
TDL
Ray
Jones

In:
Weller
Templeton

Leaves 5 spots on the senior list for trades and picks.


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