$800,000 for Frawley

[stinger]

He is worth 800K to the hawks and one or two other clubs with a huge chance of winning the flag in the next couple of years. Hawks would be crazy not to pay that amount if he is the best player available as it seems they have the money because they lost Buddy. freo would also have the money and need a FB. We would be crazy to get him at that price. Its to early for FA for us. At least a year or maybe even 2 away. And the Dees would probably get pick 2 if they finished last. The rider is is it based on what he is getting from the demons or what he will get at his new club? Because if its based on the demons money they have no hope because he isnt in the top 10 paid players at the club.

He's not in the top 10 at Melbourne?
Surely there aren't 10 blokes getting more than him? Clarke, Dawes, Trengrove, Jones, Watts… maybe Jamar at a stretch… who else do you reckon?

he evidently had a front loaded contract....

[plugger66]

He is worth 800K to the hawks and one or two other clubs with a huge chance of winning the flag in the next couple of years. Hawks would be crazy not to pay that amount if he is the best player available as it seems they have the money because they lost Buddy. freo would also have the money and need a FB. We would be crazy to get him at that price. Its to early for FA for us. At least a year or maybe even 2 away. And the Dees would probably get pick 2 if they finished last. The rider is is it based on what he is getting from the demons or what he will get at his new club? Because if its based on the demons money they have no hope because he isnt in the top 10 paid players at the club.

He's not in the top 10 at Melbourne?
Surely there aren't 10 blokes getting more than him? Clarke, Dawes, Trengrove, Jones, Watts… maybe Jamar at a stretch… who else do you reckon?

he evidently had a front loaded contract....

Correct. Another issue of front ending that i pointed out about jack steven just the other day. You have to be careful.

[70s sainter]

I still can't believe that melb could get pick 2 for him . Ridiculous when u consider hawks got pick 19 for buddy and we got 13 for Goddard .
It can't be just automatic after their first pick surely.
What would trigger the deal for melb to get a pick at the end of the first round?
That would be a fair result for everyone.
Does anyone know ?

[dragit]

Well if he isn't in their current top 10 paid then surely they don't deserve pick 2 for him?

They already unbelievably got 2 first round picks for Scully which was absurd, who they tanked for, were fined 500K, but then given 2 million dollars back…

[ROLS-LEE]

goddard is not worth it so frawley is def not worth it

[plugger66]

Well if he isn't in their current top 10 paid then surely they don't deserve pick 2 for him?

They already unbelievably got 2 first round picks for Scully which was absurd, who they tanked for, were fined 500K, but then given 2 million dollars back…

It will depend. Is it based on what he has been earning or what he will be earning. he certainly is in the right age group for a first round pick. Thomas was one last year i believe.

[BigMart]

Worth 500k

[FQF]

Well if he isn't in their current top 10 paid then surely they don't deserve pick 2 for him?

They already unbelievably got 2 first round picks for Scully which was absurd, who they tanked for, were fined 500K, but then given 2 million dollars back…

It will depend. Is it based on what he has been earning or what he will be earning. he certainly is in the right age group for a first round pick. Thomas was one last year i believe.

I believe it is based on the offer accepted, not the previous contract.
If he goes for $800k, they will get pick 2.

[plugger66]

Well if he isn't in their current top 10 paid then surely they don't deserve pick 2 for him?

They already unbelievably got 2 first round picks for Scully which was absurd, who they tanked for, were fined 500K, but then given 2 million dollars back…

It will depend. Is it based on what he has been earning or what he will be earning. he certainly is in the right age group for a first round pick. Thomas was one last year i believe.

I believe it is based on the offer accepted, not the previous contract.
If he goes for $800k, they will get pick 2.

Thanks. I think you are right then.

[Megsie]

Thought the great messiah was sent to dees so all the
kings men wouldn't want to leave the kingdom of "melbourne FC"

[Dis Believer]

Wouldn't pay $800k for him if it included free jousting sticks !!

[saintsRrising]

IMO Frawley has already made up his mind which club he is going to. His manager is effectively telling other clubs thanks but no thanks. He'll probably sign for around 200k under that to his preferred club....Hawthorn or Freo my bet at around 4 x 550-600k. Unrestricted free agent so Melbourne cannot match. They'll be happy to get pick 2 for him anyway.

But there is no way on earth they'd get pick 2. What did Geelong get for Ablett?

Geelong did not finish bottom.

It is tied to ladder finish. Cats were up the top...so their pick was there as well.

[samuraisaint]

Melbourne really will be loaded up with high draft picks if this plays out like you guys are predicting. If they are not playing finals next year they are a complete basket case.

[plugger66]

Melbourne really will be loaded up with high draft picks if this plays out like you guys are predicting. If they are not playing finals next year they are a complete basket case.

Dont get that. The high draft picks are young. they have no good older players bar jones and if they keep frawley. GC are in their 4th year with much better picks and still may not make finals.

[70s sainter]

If we get a reiwoldt replacement with our pick 4-5 I ll be happy. .

[Jacks Back]

Well Clarke has retired so that will free up their salary cap a bit more now.

[dragit]

Mitch Clark has retired ( you were right stinger)
Poor bloke…

It will give them plenty of cap space though, what was he on 700PA?

[plugger66]

Mitch Clark has retired ( you were right stinger)
Poor bloke…

It will give them plenty of cap space though, what was he on 700PA?

Sad and i doubt anyone could blame the Dees for that one. Looked a very good player when he was up and about.

[gringo]

If we get a reiwoldt replacement with our pick 4-5 I ll be happy. .

i think jack Riewoldt would be gettable once his next contract expires and maybe even want out before. Someone told me he's not happy at the moment. That would be a quick rooey replacement.

[skeptic]

I think that you'd be foolish to pay that... $450k is what he's worth

I actually agree with plugger but would only add that whilst I u/s this strategy IMO if you go down that path, you're ensuring a long rebuild (though if it snags you anther premiership, who cares)

[BigMart]

Sometimes rebuilds need experienced talent and leadership

GWS now understand that 20 kids is just lambs to the slaughter.... And added some talented seniors

In 2000-2002
We hit the draft hard with 12 draftees in three drafts all inside pick 50
And a number of Rookies
We also traded for three other former first round selections all under 21 ATT (Gram, Penny, Brooks)
To do this we off loaded Spider, Hall, Wakelin

We kept some veterans and mid age or young talent... Harvey, Burke, Loewe, Hudghton,, Jones, Hayes

But we also spent Big Bucks on three players.... Gehrig 24yo, Hamill 23yo, Black 22yo

Bought in two important players from the Pre Draft
B.Voss 24yo, S. Powell 26yo

Within 3 years we were contenders
The draft is not the only avenue to list building
And now there free agency

We have offloaded the three players
BJ, McEvoy, Dal

Kept Vets
Fisher, Dempster, Hayes, Riewoldt, Schnieder

Kept some mid range
Armitage, Gilbert, Steven, Geary

Drafted in our top 50 picks.... Billings, wright, Ross, Acres, Newnes, Webbster, Dunstan, Markworth, Saunders

Traded for some talented kids... Longer, Bruce

Got a few players for Zilch
Roberton, Delaney

I think we need to bring in 7 new players to the club including another batch of High DPs

A pre season top pick... When a good opposition player is squeezed out. A free agent use our SC and add experience and leadership.... And a trade... To better suit our needs... Offload a good player to get another different type of good player

Out
Could include. Gwilt, Maister, Dunnell, TDL, Simpkin, Milera, Hayes
Ross... Trade? For a player or pick
Gilbert... Trade? For a player or pick

White, Siposs and Stanley are hard to place ATM.... Would possibly look at offloading either if Ross or Gilbert didn't get interest
Need to continue to evolve the list

2 upgrades.... Templeton, Minchington/Weller

Amazing how quick the wheel turns

[FQF]

If we get a reiwoldt replacement with our pick 4-5 I ll be happy. .

i think jack Riewoldt would be gettable once his next contract expires and maybe even want out before. Someone told me he's not happy at the moment. That would be a quick rooey replacement.

There has been talk that he needs to leave the club to get the most out of himself. He's also known to be close to Nick. They speak regularly and often discuss opposition defenders.

Jack is no Nick, and certainly won't be able to step into his shoes because he plays a totally different style. But he is still an elite forward and someone worth looking into if he is on the table.

[bergholt]

We have offloaded the three players
BJ, McEvoy, Dal

Kept Vets
Fisher, Dempster, Hayes, Riewoldt, Schnieder

Kept some mid range
Armitage, Gilbert, Steven, Geary

Drafted in our top 50 picks.... Billings, wright, Ross, Acres, Newnes, Webbster, Dunstan, Markworth, Saunders

Traded for some talented kids... Longer, Bruce

Got a few players for Zilch
Roberton, Delaney

I think we need to bring in 7 new players to the club including another batch of High DPs

You're assuming that all of these moves are going to work out. Also in 2000 - 2002:

Gale, Powell, Monkhorst, Mitchell, Plapp, Delaney, Charles, Ryan, Cook, Callaghan, Capuano, Knobel
Davis, Wulf, Oliver, Houlihan, Ferguson, Murray, L Fisher, Begley

(Not sure of the exact years on all those guys but they all went through around that time.)

My point is that in 00 - 02 we went through a bunch of players and quickly got rid of the ones who didn't work out - the majority. We still haven't tried out anywhere near the numbers that failed in those years, so we're relying on our strike rate being better this time around. Let's hope it is.

[Wayne42]

Who'd pay $800K for a Spud

[lefty]

Doesn't fit our age bracket or plan by 2018.

Pass.