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Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Do we go youth or experience?
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Jolly & Weller.saintbrat wrote:Do we go youth or experience?
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
We presently have Darren Minchington and Cameron Shenton as type A rookies and Jason Holmes as type B rookie.
Both Minchington and Shenton have been rookies for two years and have been offered a last third year as rookies.
That leaves us two type A slots and two type B slots.
The spare type B slots are probably not going to be used due to lack of available talent.
One of the type A slots may have already been offered to Ahmed Saad if no other club takes him.
He has yet to be "convicted" by AFL & ASADA of a drug offence and is listed as having permission to train with the club.
That indicates the club is not ready to abandon him yet.
If as expected he is "convicted" he may be banned for up to two years.
That ban would prevent him training with or going near the club.
It may not prevent him being on the rookie list and would not prevent him training privately elsewhere but he could not play elsewhere.
Both Minchington and Shenton have been rookies for two years and have been offered a last third year as rookies.
That leaves us two type A slots and two type B slots.
The spare type B slots are probably not going to be used due to lack of available talent.
One of the type A slots may have already been offered to Ahmed Saad if no other club takes him.
He has yet to be "convicted" by AFL & ASADA of a drug offence and is listed as having permission to train with the club.
That indicates the club is not ready to abandon him yet.
If as expected he is "convicted" he may be banned for up to two years.
That ban would prevent him training with or going near the club.
It may not prevent him being on the rookie list and would not prevent him training privately elsewhere but he could not play elsewhere.
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
I think we will rookie Weller. Not sold on Jolly though. Hire him as a ruck coach!
I hope we rookie Zac Webster & Maverick Weller.
I hope we rookie Zac Webster & Maverick Weller.
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That is EXACTLY my thoughts & hopes also.sax wrote:I think we will rookie Weller. Not sold on Jolly though. Hire him as a ruck coach!
I hope we rookie Zac Webster & Maverick Weller.
If we rate Jolly's experience - put him into coaching.
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Just a minor point, but I have the Rookie Draft as being on Wed 27
Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)
Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
I will supply the duelling swords for bratty & spacey to sort this one out !!Dr Spaceman wrote:Just a minor point, but I have the Rookie Draft as being on Wed 27
Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Maybe I should've just kept quiet and posted my "predictions" on Wednesday arvoEastern wrote:I will supply the duelling swords for bratty & spacey to sort this one out !!Dr Spaceman wrote:Just a minor point, but I have the Rookie Draft as being on Wed 27
Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Yep I like the sound of that.savatage wrote:That is EXACTLY my thoughts & hopes also.sax wrote:I think we will rookie Weller. Not sold on Jolly though. Hire him as a ruck coach!
I hope we rookie Zac Webster & Maverick Weller.
If we rate Jolly's experience - put him into coaching.
I don't think Saad will be rookied unless we find out that his penalty is less than a year - which is 0% chance.
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Given only 61 players were taken in the national draft, the rookie draft will effectively allow us to have Pick 64 (pick 3 in the rookie draft). The best available player should be a decent talent.
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Would love to get James Battersby as a rookie (I'm pretty sure he wasn't drafted), Very competitive, composed, smart small defender with the potential to go through the midfield. We need an extra ruck option as well, I'm not fussed if it's Jolly or not. Personally I'd still get rid of TDL and Shenton too.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
It is rare that a player who wins All Australian at the U/18s state carnival misses out on being drafted.
I remember there was a South Australian AA who missed out but got picked up in either the pre season or rookie drafts but eventually proved a failure - name eludes me.
It has happened again Darcy Hourigan 192cm forward did not get picked.
"After a sensational NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with South Australia which earned him All-Australian honours, Hourigan could well be the next key forward picked after the man widely touted as the No.1 pick, Tom Boyd. Hourigan is a physical beast, a strong-bodied forward who has experience playing senior SANFL football with South Adelaide which will set him up for an immediate start next season. Hourigan kicked 16 goals for SA in the U18s including a bag of five against Queensland. Against Vic Metro, he took nine marks, had five inside 50s and kicked three goals in a day which highlighted his credentials. "
He is not tall enough to be a key position player but in a forward line with 2 tall key positions and a resting ruckman taking the oppositions 3 tall defenders, his extra height would make him a hard matchup.
When the clubs realise he was overlooked he could well go in the pre season draft and not survive to rookie draft.
If we want him we would probably need to delist a senior player to free up a pre season pick.
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I remember there was a South Australian AA who missed out but got picked up in either the pre season or rookie drafts but eventually proved a failure - name eludes me.
It has happened again Darcy Hourigan 192cm forward did not get picked.
"After a sensational NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with South Australia which earned him All-Australian honours, Hourigan could well be the next key forward picked after the man widely touted as the No.1 pick, Tom Boyd. Hourigan is a physical beast, a strong-bodied forward who has experience playing senior SANFL football with South Adelaide which will set him up for an immediate start next season. Hourigan kicked 16 goals for SA in the U18s including a bag of five against Queensland. Against Vic Metro, he took nine marks, had five inside 50s and kicked three goals in a day which highlighted his credentials. "
He is not tall enough to be a key position player but in a forward line with 2 tall key positions and a resting ruckman taking the oppositions 3 tall defenders, his extra height would make him a hard matchup.
When the clubs realise he was overlooked he could well go in the pre season draft and not survive to rookie draft.
If we want him we would probably need to delist a senior player to free up a pre season pick.
Any thoughts
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Old Mate wrote:I like Darcy Hourigan and Eli Templeton.
I know none of them but arent our picks likely to be Weller and Jolly which means we cant get anyone else.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Battersby did not get taken.mad saint guy wrote:Would love to get James Battersby as a rookie (I'm pretty sure he wasn't drafted), Very competitive, composed, smart small defender with the potential to go through the midfield. We need an extra ruck option as well, I'm not fussed if it's Jolly or not. Personally I'd still get rid of TDL and Shenton too.
Another U/18s All Austrlian who did not get picked.
Probably because of his height 177cm.
Not really tall enough to get away with being a defender.
He would have to become a midfielder or small forward.
"Small defender/midfielder with excellent vision and use of the ball by hand and foot. Has already played at senior level with Sturt, where his great assets included composure and game sense. Capped off an outstanding Under-18 Championships by winning All-Australian honours".
I agree there ae a few on both our senior and rookie list who will only ever get a game when we are low on the ladder.
They may be under contract by now but they are just list clogging a team that needs to build.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
I read a rumour there's a bloke we rated top 30 in the national draft that wasn't picked and we are likely to select him with pick 3 in the rookie draft.plugger66 wrote:Old Mate wrote:I like Darcy Hourigan and Eli Templeton.
I know none of them but arent our picks likely to be Weller and Jolly which means we cant get anyone else.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
I agree!mad saint guy wrote:Would love to get James Battersby as a rookie (I'm pretty sure he wasn't drafted), Very competitive, composed, smart small defender with the potential to go through the midfield. We need an extra ruck option as well, I'm not fussed if it's Jolly or not. Personally I'd still get rid of TDL and Shenton too.
I'd add Dunnell to that list aswell!
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Weller is a mystery to me. Seemed destined for a solid AFL career now delisted for reasons that dont seem outwardly obvious. Interested to hear more from those in the know.
My guess is Saints will take an experienced player in the pre-season draft, and rookie a youngster.
My guess is Saints will take an experienced player in the pre-season draft, and rookie a youngster.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
If we thought he was good enough to be top 30 then he will be gone before Rookie pick 3Old Mate wrote:I read a rumour there's a bloke we rated top 30 in the national draft that wasn't picked and we are likely to select him with pick 3 in the rookie draft.plugger66 wrote:Old Mate wrote:I like Darcy Hourigan and Eli Templeton.
I know none of them but arent our picks likely to be Weller and Jolly which means we cant get anyone else.
He will be either taken in the Pre Season draft or with one of GWS or Melbourne with the irst two picks of the rookie draft.
If we genuinely want him we must delist a senior player and hope we can take him at 3 in the Pre Season Draft.
If he is already gone at 3 in the Pre Season draft then the delisted player could be picked again.
The delisted player would know that he has to improve or he is gone at the end of 2014.
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Re: Rookie Draft 28/11/13 - Official discussion thread
Clubs rate talent differently. I thought that would be obvious.ace wrote:
If we thought he was good enough to be top 30 then he will be gone before Rookie pick 3
He will be either taken in the Pre Season draft or with one of GWS or Melbourne with the irst two picks of the rookie draft.
If we genuinely want him we must delist a senior player and hope we can take him at 3 in the Pre Season Draft.
If he is already gone at 3 in the Pre Season draft then the delisted player could be picked again.
The delisted player would know that he has to improve or he is gone at the end of 2014.
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Re: Rookie draft Thur 28
Dr Spaceman wrote:Just a minor point, but I have the Rookie Draft as being on Wed 27
Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)
if a mod reads they can change the date--- I heard a week and just went 7 days
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