Spencer White

[saintbrat]

Spencers review up today
including a link to That Goal


http://www.saints.com.au/news/2013-10-0 ... ncer-white

\Saints in review today: Sam Gilbert, Jack Newnes, Spencer White
4/10 Saints in review tomorrow: Dylan Roberton, Cameron Shenton, David Armitage

[creepypolar]

he needs to be able to bench press 120kg + to play his position in the afl so he needs ongoing wrist strength.
we cant rush him. slow build of fitness and strenght. Wont impact until 2015.

He is very quick and athletic for his height like Franklin. They may want him to stay slightly less bulky to preserve his speed and joints. I'm not sure Riewoldt could press 120 kegs and he goes okay.

Id be amazed if Roo couldn't bench 120.
Not saying he needs to be a muscle man but he needs to be able to do push ups and hold his ground in a contest and lay hard tackles and not get rag dolled.
Just saying playing footy without a wrist is nigh on impossible. I reckon hell be ok if we manage his body. We dont want to Patty Cummings the kid!

Benny Mac benches 110 and Rhys does 130. IIRC they're the highest at the club

[Dis Believer]

I'd be amazed that Ben only benches 110 if that's true.

At my best, I was benching 107 and I was only 6 feet tall and 85kg, so that gives you an idea of my build (back then anyway, now it's a bit more than 85kg, most of it losing to gravity)

[Con Gorozidis]

I have max benched 107kg when i was 75kg! (I couldnt do anything like that now)



So no way thats true. I know they do less strength work these days and its more about functional strength rather than isolated stuff and that also they run a lot more now so dont want useless muscle to carry. But for sure someone like Buddy would bench 120-130kg. I think Body weight + 20 would be pretty average for an afl player. Body weight + 50 is considered elite. Gherig was up around 170kg so body weight + 70. Tommy Curren would bench 120 for sure i reckon. If Macca can only bench his body weight - no wonder hes not dominating.

[creepypolar]

I have max benched 107kg when i was 75kg! (I couldnt do anything like that now)



So no way thats true. I know they do less strength work these days and its more about functional strength rather than isolated stuff and that also they run a lot more now so dont want useless muscle to carry. But for sure someone like Buddy would bench 120-130kg. I think Body weight + 20 would be pretty average for an afl player. Body weight + 50 is considered elite. Gherig was up around 170kg so body weight + 70. Tommy Curren would bench 120 for sure i reckon. If Macca can only bench his body weight - no wonder hes not dominating.

He actually mentioned it during the 'Web of Truth' shows. So unless he's lying....



link for reference too, it's from about 0.40 to 0.52.

[Con Gorozidis]

I know he has long arms but that is pissweak!

Cmon Macca! Everyone at the club should be at least Body weight + 20.

Pods does 150kg. NicNat 135kg. Tippett 140kg. Will Minson 155kg.

[Sick Nal Danto]

Roo mentioned that Jackson Ferguson was benching more than him a few weeks back.....I'm pretty sure Ferg is still a stick

[Old Mate]

I know he has long arms but that is pissweak!

Cmon Macca! Everyone at the club should be at least Body weight + 20.

Pods does 150kg. NicNat 135kg. Tippett 140kg. Will Minson 155kg.

GTrain 162kegs. Come at me

[savatage]

I have max benched 107kg when i was 75kg! (I couldnt do anything like that now)

I benched 132kg at 75kg body weight a couple of months ago! One rep only though - but the point is, I can't believe Mac can only do 110kg. He'd weigh 100kg at least, he should be smashing the weights - getting physical & having a physical impact in the ruck. He looks like he's allergic to body contact. Start smashing those weights mate!!

[savatage]

I know he has long arms but that is pissweak!

Cmon Macca! Everyone at the club should be at least Body weight + 20.

Pods does 150kg. NicNat 135kg. Tippett 140kg. Will Minson 155kg.

GTrain 162kegs. Come at me

What a fkn legend - I was pretty sure it was 172.5 kg at his time at the Saints & it was either 4 or 6 reps -which is just ridiculous!

[FQF]

I am no expert, but we can't do much at the moment about substandard players. But we can do something about having players who are not meeting the expected standards in the gym.

[Con Gorozidis]

Tdl probably eeks out 56 kg

[savatage]

Tdl probably eeks out 56 kg

I reckon he'd just handle the bar without a spot.

[saintspremiers]

Some asthma sufferers have problems with bone density from their medications. White's a severe asthmatic. The bone density problems can be mitigated, in some cases, depending on the type of asthma medication and identified impacts.

By medication you mean steroids, right?

Which are illegal unless you play for Essendope.

[kimberly saint]

so now the clubs in trouble because of players not benching enough

i may well be wrong but wat a player benches sumtimes has little to do with there on field strength etc ?? wat happens if they bench 150 and have legs like a chicken. Then you have blokes just born strong ablett locket , not two sure either them would spent much time pressing out weights

[Con Gorozidis]

Tdl probably eeks out 56 kg

I reckon he'd just handle the bar without a spot.

Just read joel wilkinson has gold coast record of 160kg.

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/afl/sup ... 6567328460

Seriously no wonder we played bruise free footy all year and get brushed aside so easily.


They tried to say rhys lifting 130 was amazing last summer but then i watched him play and he didnt seem strong at all.

Body weight plus 30 should be the average at afl.

We are weak as piss.

Helps explain third last.

Ill bet port power lift big weights. They are hard as in the clinches for their age.

[Con Gorozidis]

so now the clubs in trouble because of players not benching enough

i may well be wrong but wat a player benches sumtimes has little to do with there on field strength etc ?? wat happens if they bench 150 and have legs like a chicken. Then you have blokes just born strong ablett locket , not two sure either them would spent much time pressing out weights

Legs like a chicken like tdl and dunny ?
And yes you are totally completely wrong.

Its not everything but its a key measure along with squats and cleans.
To tell me how you measure strength ?
Im all ears.
Also tell me why u think we are third last ?
Why am i engaging in this conversation.

[savatage]

so now the clubs in trouble because of players not benching enough

i may well be wrong but wat a player benches sumtimes has little to do with there on field strength etc ?? wat happens if they bench 150 and have legs like a chicken. Then you have blokes just born strong ablett locket , not two sure either them would spent much time pressing out weights

LOL, I don't think people are specificially saying that.

I think we were surprised Big Boy can only muster 110kg's out of bench press. Certainly wouldn't hurt him to have more of a physical presence surely?

[Devilhead]

To tell me how you measure strength ?
Im all ears.

I thought it was between the ears

[kimberly saint]

so now the clubs in trouble because of players not benching enough

i may well be wrong but wat a player benches sumtimes has little to do with there on field strength etc ?? wat happens if they bench 150 and have legs like a chicken. Then you have blokes just born strong ablett locket , not two sure either them would spent much time pressing out weights

Legs like a chicken like tdl and dunny ?
And yes you are totally completely wrong.

Its not everything but its a key measure along with squats and cleans.
To tell me how you measure strength ?
Im all ears.
Also tell me why u think we are third last ?
Why am i engaging in this conversation.

strength is definitly not measured in ones manner to be a rude prick on the key board , if you feel the need to ad a quote why am i engaging in this conversation to me that is a sign of little strength or maybe will power learn sum manners gunt.
We finished third bottom cause our senior players are tired and old, and we have list of average players other than them. But i hold high hope for next season when ben can bench 150 kg

[Con Gorozidis]

Well this thread worked out well!

But I do believe Bill Davoren is no good. I think we should at least be asking the question.... Hes a triathlon Coach and most of our players have started looking more like Triathletes than Footy players. We are too thin and too frail. Im serious about this ..
He made the Bulldogs non-competitive and now hes done the same to us. Hes the anti-Dank.

2011 - Bulldogs - 11th
2012 - Bulldogs - 15th
2013- Saints - 16th

[savatage]

Hes the anti-Dank.

Wouldn't that make him a good guy?

[SAAD]

110kg at 1 rep or 110kg at 8 reps?

Also is he including the bar or not?

[Con Gorozidis]

Hes the anti-Dank.

Wouldn't that make him a good guy?

Was only kidding with the Dank reference!

He may be a great guy. 'Highly regarded' as a triathlon coach.

I think serious questions have to be asked about his program for AFL footballers. Completely different sport and I believe he has the balance wrong.
If the strongest guy at our club benches 130kg we are the weakest club in the AFL by miles.
And his results at the Dogs were awful and the proof of the pudding is in our 2013 performance.
Its not just us finishing 3rd last its how easy we were to play against. Sure we ran around the wings a lot but we had zero physical presence all over the field.

The blokes who improved the most during the season (Lee and Gilbert) did so when they had leg injuries and couldnt run !

His record at the Dogs also suggests they had the same poor results we had and their side was very weak, too thin and not physical enough.

Hey maybe its a grand plan and we are going to build fitness, tank and finish last for 2 years. Then bulk up in 3 years time. Who knows.
But we play bruise free footy and we are the weakest and least physical side in the AFL (besides GWS and Melbourne).

[bobmurray]

Tdl probably eeks out 56 kg

Did i read that right, are you saying 5 or 6 kg