plugger66 wrote:markp wrote: It is if he's a dwarf.
Im not only a dwarf but my last name is Duthie.
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Its not a crime to hate plugger (sorry plugger)[/quote]mullet wrote:[quote="plugger66quote="gringo"]
I hate myself for agreeing with plugger for a change.
With the utmost respect, just because it exists doesn't make it the case in this scenario. It's no different to someone saying that the drug culture in the USA is an african american problem and the incarceration rate of black americans means that they should incarcerate an individual with a small bag of marijuana because it will stop the bigger problem. It's taking an extreme point of view that does little to make your point of view seem reasonable.markinUSA wrote:Kickit,
Regarding the rate of violence against disabled people - there is a litany of evidence. It is such a big problem that Women With Disabilities Australia has been calling for a Royal Commission or Official Public Inquiry into Violence Against People with Disabilities in Australia for over a year now.
http://www.wwda.org.au/Summary_and_Recommendations.pdf
It depends on the type of disability. e.g. "People with an intellectual disability are almost three times more likely than those without a disability to be victims of physical assault, sexual assault and robbery" http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/6/A/% ... 7Dti60.pdf
The numbers are remarkably consistent cross-nationally.
An American study found "Depending on the type of violent crime (rape/sexual assault, robbery, assault, and their subcategories), prevalence was 6 to 23 times greater among persons with SMI than among the general population. "http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1389236/
It is an international problem. In 2007, the European Parliament commissioned research taht found that almost 80 per cent of women with disabilities are victims of violence. It's cited in this resolution
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 60:EN:HTML
It is if he's a dwarf.[/quote]plugger66 wrote:Its not a crime to hate plugger (sorry plugger)mullet wrote:[quote="plugger66quote="gringo"]
I hate myself for agreeing with plugger for a change.
you could once....Con Gorozidis wrote:Pretty Stingy from Montagna imho.
Just pay the dwarf, apologise and move on.
You dont play hard ball against a dwarf.
And therein lies the rub. There is a hell of a big difference between bias (or discrimnation) and htred. Yet I note you r refer to the "disability movement's preferred language". It is, as with so many political movements these days, the objective to pigeonhole people and infer an automatic "villain status" by the modification of the use of language.markinUSA wrote:I use the term 'hate crime' because that is the disability movement's preferred language; I could have simply "bias crime" (and that might have appealed more to a nondisabled audience, but that was never the point).
gringo wrote:i thought Tim Ferguson's only disability was being born with out a sense of humour.True Believer wrote:So we are planning to run the world according to how people feel - excellent - that should work well... A magazine by disabled peopel, for disabled people. Well that should be nice and impartial. Congratulations. Attitudes like this do more harm than good in the wider community to the cause they "support". You should try reading a childrens story "The boy who cried wolf", or in your world, "The boy who cried hate crime"!markinUSA wrote:Great news.
While all of you have spent your time criticizing me, and making out as if I am the only one who could possibly see this as a disability hate crime, disability organizations across the country are now responding to it and framing it this way.
I'll quote from a magazine written by and for people with disabilities, that came out today.
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What is a disability hate crime?
If someone commits a crime against a person with a
disability because they do not like disabled people, that is a disability hate crime.
This week, everyone is talking about Blake Johnston. Blake Johnston is an entertainer who was set on fire by
football players at the St Kilda Football Club.
Blake Johnston wasn’t hurt, and it was supposed to be a joke. But Blake didn’t think it was funny.
Blake has a disability - he is a short statured person. Some people are asking if the same thing would have happened if the entertainer at the club didn’t have a disability.
Some famous Australian entertainers with a disability are comedians Stella Young, Adam Hills and Tim Ferguson.
We all have rights to:
keep safe and feel safe
use the Law
speak up and for people to listen to us
be treated well and with respect
be who we are
make our own choices
keep our things safe
It is wrong for anyone to
hurt you or make you feel unsafe.
It is wrong for anyone to take or harm your things.
It is wrong for anyone to treat you badly for who you are.
You should tell someone if anything makes you feel bad.
What can you do if you think you have been a victim of hate crime?
You have a right to
Tell someone if
anything makes you feel bad
Report it if something is wrong
Tell the police if anyone does something against the law
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So, the campaign to pressure the AFL to respond more appropriately to disability in a more appropriate manner is well under way. Thanks in no small part to the crime committed by Saints players.
I was assaulted by Arthur the other dwarf and ridiculed because of the way I look. Is that a hate crime- I said nothing to him and didn't even interact when he started insulting me. He spat a drink in the face of a girl i was with, hit me in the groin repeatedly and smashed me over the head with a pool cue from behind while goading me to fight him. Is that a hate crime or is that okay because he is disabled. i couldn't do anything back with out looking like a coward so just let him keep going and he knew the bouncers so they wouldn't kick him out.
Is that a hate crime? He said he hated me when I asked him what his problem was. Apparently I thought I was good. So probably fair enough, but as a vacuous, egotistical man who was targeted because of his physical attributes I'm not afforded the same protection because if I wanted to I could have punched him out. Blake johnson could equally go and get a baseball bat and level the playing field with Clint.
I'm a lefty and against bullying of minorities myself but he was targeted no more than anyone else there.
Its not a crime to hate plugger (sorry plugger)[/quote]mullet wrote:gringo wrote:
Forget what these people say because they dont have all the facts. Can you tell us why it is a hate crime when it happened to many other people at the venue. Im sure everyone here thinks it was stupid but i reckon you are out on your own saying its a hate crime. it makes no sense at all IMO. If you could explain instead of giving us one eyed articles.
I hate myself for agreeing with plugger for a change.
Hey Mark what is your take regarding the statement on the Little People of America website that many little people would prefer NOT to wear the label as being "disabled"?markinUSA wrote:Gringo
I am very sorry that this happened to you.
I absolutely condemn his actions.
I condemn violence in all its forms.
I hope you went to the police. And I hope he was charged.
People who commit violent crimes should be in jail.
stinger wrote:gringo wrote:
i thought Tim Ferguson's only disability was being born with out a sense of humour.
I was assaulted by Arthur the other dwarf and ridiculed because of the way I look. Is that a hate crime- I said nothing to him and didn't even interact when he started insulting me. He spat a drink in the face of a girl i was with, hit me in the groin repeatedly and smashed me over the head with a pool cue from behind while goading me to fight him. Is that a hate crime or is that okay because he is disabled. i couldn't do anything back with out looking like a coward so just let him keep going and he knew the bouncers so they wouldn't kick him out.
Is that a hate crime? He said he hated me when I asked him what his problem was. Apparently I thought I was good. So probably fair enough, but as a vacuous, egotistical man who was targeted because of his physical attributes I'm not afforded the same protection because if I wanted to I could have punched him out. Blake johnson could equally go and get a baseball bat and level the playing field with Clint.
I'm a lefty and against bullying of minorities myself but he was targeted no more than anyone else there.
that's a horrible story mate...why didn't you go to the cops...???
That's incorrect mullet. It is a crime; a serious crime! And quite hateful!mullet wrote: Its not a crime to hate plugger (sorry plugger)
you're a better man than most...and certainly better than arthur......gringo wrote:stinger wrote:gringo wrote:
i thought Tim Ferguson's only disability was being born with out a sense of humour.
I was assaulted by Arthur the other dwarf and ridiculed because of the way I look. Is that a hate crime- I said nothing to him and didn't even interact when he started insulting me. He spat a drink in the face of a girl i was with, hit me in the groin repeatedly and smashed me over the head with a pool cue from behind while goading me to fight him. Is that a hate crime or is that okay because he is disabled. i couldn't do anything back with out looking like a coward so just let him keep going and he knew the bouncers so they wouldn't kick him out.
Is that a hate crime? He said he hated me when I asked him what his problem was. Apparently I thought I was good. So probably fair enough, but as a vacuous, egotistical man who was targeted because of his physical attributes I'm not afforded the same protection because if I wanted to I could have punched him out. Blake johnson could equally go and get a baseball bat and level the playing field with Clint.
I'm a lefty and against bullying of minorities myself but he was targeted no more than anyone else there.
that's a horrible story mate...why didn't you go to the cops...???
It was a bit embarrassing -I was bashed by a midget -doesn't sound too much like a crime. My mates gave me enough grief about it I wasn't going to go to get the cops laughing at me too. I'm tough enough to deal with anyway. I guess I felt he's probably copped s*** so he's just getting it back on someone else.
So in short you make it your mission to go out of your way and make these "confused internally oppressed" people accept that they are in fact "disabled" even if they don't feel like they are.markinUSA wrote:Devilhead
Think of all the stereotypes associated with being disabled... being devalued, being less than, (I don't need to rehash the stereotypes and prejudices... many of them are reflected here) ... few people choose to be disabled, and most struggle with disability identity at some stage or another. And many struggle with the devalued identity even if they are members of disability groups, receiving a disability pension, and are usually identified by others and themselves as 'disabled'.
Disabled people face a cultural background of prejudice, social marginalization, inaccessible environments, and enormous attitudinal barriers. So, most disabled people struggle with their identities.
That doesn't mean that collectively, legally, or politically, the identity of 'disability' should be abandoned. It does mean that a lot of people have internalized oppression, and it also means that people struggle with accepting an identity which has so much prejudice directed towards it.
Many people struggle with their sexual identities. That doesn't mean that we say there shoudl be no movement for GLBTQIQ people. It just means that social inequalities play out on an individual's psyche in complex ways.
A lefty too, so disabled at that.gringo wrote:
It was a bit embarrassing -I was bashed by a midget -doesn't sound too much like a crime. My mates gave me enough grief about it I wasn't going to go to get the cops laughing at me too. I'm tough enough to deal with anyway. I guess I felt he's probably copped s*** so he's just getting it back on someone else.
What does that mean? Is it even proper English?True Believer wrote:
And therein lies the rub.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/The ... es+the+rubSaintPav wrote:What does that mean? Is it even proper English?True Believer wrote:
And therein lies the rub.