We Need to be Crap For a Few Years.

[dragit]

Is this year one or two of our rebuild?

2, but the first year Watters was having a little each way… so maybe the first serious "play the kids" year.

[mad saint guy]

They could only lure Caddy because of the compensation they got for Ablett, it's not smart, it's the legacy of bung recruiting law. The gift that keeps on giving… Ablett - pick 40, brownlow, 2 flags - rolled into 2 first round draft picks - Smedts & Caddy… effectively dragging out the benefits of that FS rule for another ten years.

It's amazing how well they've done from that rule. They've drafted 11 father son picks compared to our 2. Obviously it's nothing to hold against Geelong, they've just done exceptionally well with a flawed system. Although I'll never really be comfortable that four members of their 2009 premiership team were F/S picks, and they definitely would not have had Joel Selwood if the bidding system had have been introduced a year earlier (would have used their first pick on Hawkins). Scarlett, Hawkins, Blake, Ablett all essentially for free. FB, FF, ruck and onballer.

[plugger66]

Love the father son rule. reckon most on here would to if we had been lucky enough to get a few good ones. The bidding system now makes it fair for all.

[dragit]

They could only lure Caddy because of the compensation they got for Ablett, it's not smart, it's the legacy of bung recruiting law. The gift that keeps on giving… Ablett - pick 40, brownlow, 2 flags - rolled into 2 first round draft picks - Smedts & Caddy… effectively dragging out the benefits of that FS rule for another ten years.

It's amazing how well they've done from that rule. They've drafted 11 father son picks compared to our 2. Obviously it's nothing to hold against Geelong, they've just done exceptionally well with a flawed system. Although I'll never really be comfortable that four members of their 2009 premiership team were F/S picks, and they definitely would not have had Joel Selwood if the bidding system had have been introduced a year earlier (would have used their first pick on Hawkins). Scarlett, Hawkins, Blake, Ablett all essentially for free. FB, FF, ruck and onballer.

I just get sick of hearing people talking about how smart Geelong have been and how much more professional they are than us…

If that FS rule was changed 10 years earlier, the cats would be lucky to have one flag.

I did a list of their draft failings I while ago & although they have drafted quite well… they've had some luck and plenty of fails along the way…

I reckon if your first 2 picks become duds and your third pick becomes a star, there is a fair bit of luck involved.

2008
15 Mitchell Brown
33 Thomas Gillies
39 Steven Motlop
49 Taylor Hunt

b.t.w pluggs, I really like the FS concept too, it's great having family ties to clubs, but the old system was clearly a huge cockup & the cats will still be advantaged for many years yet - selwood/hawkins & now smedts & caddy

[plugger66]

They could only lure Caddy because of the compensation they got for Ablett, it's not smart, it's the legacy of bung recruiting law. The gift that keeps on giving… Ablett - pick 40, brownlow, 2 flags - rolled into 2 first round draft picks - Smedts & Caddy… effectively dragging out the benefits of that FS rule for another ten years.

It's amazing how well they've done from that rule. They've drafted 11 father son picks compared to our 2. Obviously it's nothing to hold against Geelong, they've just done exceptionally well with a flawed system. Although I'll never really be comfortable that four members of their 2009 premiership team were F/S picks, and they definitely would not have had Joel Selwood if the bidding system had have been introduced a year earlier (would have used their first pick on Hawkins). Scarlett, Hawkins, Blake, Ablett all essentially for free. FB, FF, ruck and onballer.

I just get sick of hearing people talking about how smart Geelong have been and how much more professional they are than us…

If that FS rule was changed 10 years earlier, the cats would be lucky to have one flag.

I did a list of their draft failings I while ago & although they have drafted quite well… they've had some luck and plenty of fails along the way…

I reckon if your first 2 picks become duds and your third pick becomes a star, there is a fair bit of luck involved.

2008
15 Mitchell Brown
33 Thomas Gillies
39 Steven Motlop
49 Taylor Hunt

b.t.w pluggs, I really like the FS concept too, it's great having family ties to clubs, but the old system was clearly a huge cockup & the cats will still be advantaged for many years yet - selwood/hawkins & now smedts & caddy

I dont get the smedts and Caddy thing. Im pretty sure when people talk of Gary Ablett most people say he went about the right pick anyway. maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

[dragit]

I guess without BM's time machine we'll never know…

But I reckon the son of 'god' would have attracted a few bids under the current system, if only to make Geelong take him earlier than they wanted too… maybe Geelong would not have even matched a 2nd round pick? Could be playing with us or anybody.

After having exclusive access to him at lowly pick 40 they are able to take Bartel, Kelly & Johnson beforehand… handy.

After nearly 200 games, a brownlow & 2 flags, they are compensated with 2 first round draft picks, again, handy.

Take out one of Ablett, Bartel, Kelly & Johnson and one of Selwood & Hawkins… I reckon we win 2009.

2011 GF - best 3 players - Bartel, Selwood Hawkins

[Johnny Member]

Love the father son rule. reckon most on here would to if we had been lucky enough to get a few good ones. The bidding system now makes it fair for all.

It's a ridiculous rule. Absolutely ridiculous.


20 years ago, it may have been relevant. But not now.

It's a blatant compromise of the draft, and creates an unfair advantage for certain clubs that not all clubs have access to.



It's actually one of the more mind-boggling things to seep out of AFL house.

[plugger66]

Love the father son rule. reckon most on here would to if we had been lucky enough to get a few good ones. The bidding system now makes it fair for all.

It's a ridiculous rule. Absolutely ridiculous.


20 years ago, it may have been relevant. But not now.

It's a blatant compromise of the draft, and creates an unfair advantage for certain clubs that not all clubs have access to.



It's actually one of the more mind-boggling things to seep out of AFL house.

You may not realise but you now bid so its seems pretty fair to me. The draft has been and will be compromised until you smile. You are such a sad sack Roger. you have made it clear you dont like the game so why do you seem to care so much. Its very weird but makes sense when i read your posts. Sad.

[Johnny Member]

To put it in perspective, the AFL compromise the draft for some outdated and misguided sense of romance.

Then once the draft is manipulated for one bloke and one club - he can leave the next year and play happily at another club.


Why father-son? Why not grandfather-grandson? Or uncle-nephew?

It is fair dinkum so outdated and irrelevant it's not funny.


In this day and age where the sport is so competitive, so professional, so reputable, so linked to money and success - the AFL compromise the draft because some bloke played at 3 clubs but happened to play 100 of them at one club??!!

Fair dinkum. Just ridiculous.


What if Liberatore and Wallis turn out to be stars. The Bulldogs get themselves an advantage because two former players happened to have boys?? What if you adopt kids? Do they count?

Clubs should start sending ex-players overseas on adoption drives as their new recruitment strategy.

[plugger66]

To put it in perspective, the AFL compromise the draft for some outdated and misguided sense of romance.

Then once the draft is manipulated for one bloke and one club - he can leave the next year and play happily at another club.


Why father-son? Why not grandfather-grandson? Or uncle-nephew?

It is fair dinkum so outdated and irrelevant it's not funny.


In this day and age where the sport is so competitive, so professional, so reputable, so linked to money and success - the AFL compromise the draft because some bloke played at 3 clubs but happened to play 100 of them at one club??!!

Fair dinkum. Just ridiculous.


What if Liberatore and Wallis turn out to be stars. The Bulldogs get themselves an advantage because two former players happened to have boys?? What if you adopt kids? Do they count?

Clubs should start sending ex-players overseas on adoption drives as their new recruitment strategy.

Why not. There is priorty picks and many other things that compromise the draft. they arent going to change and still dont know why you care Roger. You hate the game. Dont you now follow other games that are better run but couldnt tell me any previously?

[Johnny Member]

Why not. There is priorty picks and many other things that compromise the draft.

Although I completely disagree with priority picks, at least it is intended to serve a purpose.

What purpose in modern, professional sport does the father-son rule serve??


It's actually staggering that the AFL still let it exist.

[plugger66]

Why not. There is priorty picks and many other things that compromise the draft.

Although I completely disagree with priority picks, at least it is intended to serve a purpose.

What purpose in modern, professional sport does the father-son rule serve??


It's actually staggering that the AFL still let it exist.

Why do you care? You dont like the sport. You have told us many times. Do you go out for dinner and eat all the meal and then complain? By the way what are the sports you now watch that are run better than the AFL?

[Kickit]

I was pissed that the AFL changed the rules after Essendon sooked about us getting Dunell with our first Rookie pick ( Rookie pick 12 ). Seems that it was supposed to be their god given right that they pick Lauchlan Dalgleish at pick 11 and Dunell is still available at pick 29.

I don't mind the current system, and Essendon had every opportunity to get him before StKilda in the draft proper, the first round of the Rookie draft, or any year previously.
Arrogant Pricks!, wish the AFL would stop pandering to them.

[dragit]

I was pissed that the AFL changed the rules after Essendon sooked about us getting Dunell with our first Rookie pick ( Rookie pick 12 ). Seems that it was supposed to be their god given right that they pick Lauchlan Dalgleish at pick 11 and Dunell is still available at pick 29.

I don't mind the current system, and Essendon had every opportunity to get him before StKilda in the draft proper, the first round of the Rookie draft, or any year previously.
Arrogant Pricks!, wish the AFL would stop pandering to them.

How have the rules changed?

[plugger66]

I was pissed that the AFL changed the rules after Essendon sooked about us getting Dunell with our first Rookie pick ( Rookie pick 12 ). Seems that it was supposed to be their god given right that they pick Lauchlan Dalgleish at pick 11 and Dunell is still available at pick 29.

I don't mind the current system, and Essendon had every opportunity to get him before StKilda in the draft proper, the first round of the Rookie draft, or any year previously.
Arrogant Pricks!, wish the AFL would stop pandering to them.

How have the rules changed?

Pretty sure they havent.

[Kickit]

I was pissed that the AFL changed the rules after Essendon sooked about us getting Dunell with our first Rookie pick ( Rookie pick 12 ). Seems that it was supposed to be their god given right that they pick Lauchlan Dalgleish at pick 11 and Dunell is still available at pick 29.

I don't mind the current system, and Essendon had every opportunity to get him before StKilda in the draft proper, the first round of the Rookie draft, or any year previously.
Arrogant Pricks!, wish the AFL would stop pandering to them.

How have the rules changed?

Pretty sure they havent.

OK then.
Oh what's this random link?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... 22nk6.html

[Wayne42]

Peaking 2015

Unless Fyfe, Dangerfield, Cotchin, Frawley, Wingard & Cameron can't resist the seaford coffee, I think we should be safe on the 2015 peak.

We don't need to orchestrate being s*** for a good few years… it will flow very naturally.

Who do you follow ?

[gringo]

Why not. There is priorty picks and many other things that compromise the draft.

Although I completely disagree with priority picks, at least it is intended to serve a purpose.

What purpose in modern, professional sport does the father-son rule serve??


It's actually staggering that the AFL still let it exist.

Why do you care? You dont like the sport. You have told us many times. Do you go out for dinner and eat all the meal and then complain? By the way what are the sports you now watch that are run better than the AFL?

that was a good argument about 12 months ago but now it looks like netball, go cart racing, lawn bowls, bocce, soccer, basketball, baseball, gymnastics, weight lifting anything look better than the AFL right now.

It wasn't a great rule when there was no cap. One per year and taken with a bidding system would have been better. The clubs from Queensland and NSW now have zones that they are allowed to take from so will become another poorly managed issue in the future as will extra salary cap room. It will take 3 PSs to GWS or Sydney then they will jerk back the other way again.

[dragit]

How have the rules changed?

Pretty sure they havent.

OK then.
Oh what's this random link?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... 22nk6.html

I hadn't heard that one, cheers…

Sounds like a pretty silly rule change to me.

Is it possible to register for the rookie draft only? If so it would be another way to scam a decent player for free.

Surely if they are not good enough to be taken in the draft or your first rookie pick, then you don't rate them.

Dunell should be thankful Hirdy didn't get to jab the s*** out of him.

[Kickit]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/f ... 22nk6.html

I hadn't heard that one, cheers…

Sounds like a pretty silly rule change to me.

Is it possible to register for the rookie draft only? If so it would be another way to scam a decent player for free.

Surely if they are not good enough to be taken in the draft or your first rookie pick, then you don't rate them.

Dunell should be thankful Hirdy didn't get to jab the s*** out of him.

Reeked of a flippant gut reaction at the time.
Further evidence of the AFL pandering to Essendon.

[saint66au]

Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy , Judd, Walker

Yep..lots of first round picks ensure you're a powerhouse for years to come

[Wayne42]

Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy , Judd, Walker

Yep..lots of first round picks ensure you're a powerhouse for years to come

Melbourne can vouch for that