Why 'punish the club'?

[perfectionist]

... Lets get a board in for one year and cheat as much as humanily possible and then the AFL just kick the board out....

If it will guarantee a flag - I'll do it.

[plugger66]

... Lets get a board in for one year and cheat as much as humanily possible and then the AFL just kick the board out....

If it will guarantee a flag - I'll do it.

So would I. I have no morals at all when it comes to winning a GF.

[joffaboy]

... Lets get a board in for one year and cheat as much as humanily possible and then the AFL just kick the board out....

If it will guarantee a flag - I'll do it.

So would I. I have no morals at all when it comes to winning a GF.

Either do Collingwood apparently.

Except yours is fantasy, theirs was reality.

[saintsRrising]

What's the point of punishing Essendon?

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Because if you do not, any club (country) world wide in any sport that has a mind to will be tempted to cheat.

They have already gotten away with cheating once in 93 to win a flag, and have tried to back up again.

[3rd generation saint]

What are the consequences of the AFL not coming down hard on Essendon and players, especially if the stuff they we're injected with was illegal.
Well, to many sporting bodies around the world it would appear that the AFL turns a blind eye to performance enhancing drugs when it becomes too hard to punish.
The result maybe a boycott of all Australian sporting events like the Australian Open, teams like Liverpool and Man United touring, plus incredible scrutiny on our Olympic Athletes.
Sorry, but the club and players have to be hit, and therefore be answerable to the fans who they (the club) let down enormously by going down this path.
I mean if Ahmed Saad can possibly get two years for unwittingly drinking a drink of which 1 of the 50 ingredients in it is a banned substance, then really, what should Essendon all inclusive get for systematically trying to gain an advantage thru questionable medical practices.

[Con Gorozidis]

I still wish Lazar Vidovic had played in 1997 and smashed everyones faces in and we won - even if he was banned for life.

Id take a flag if our boys were on gear as would the Bombers fans (that part is obvious).

But they got caught. Thats life. High risk - High reward.

They played a high risk/high reward strategy and it came unstuck (cos it was risky). People make these calculations all the time - even if subconsciously.

Suck it up bombers fans!

[gringo]

I still wish Lazar Vidovic had played in 1997 and smashed everyones faces in and we won - even if he was banned for life.

Id take a flag if our boys were on gear as would the Bombers fans (that part is obvious).

But they got caught. Thats life. High risk - High reward.

They played a high risk/high reward strategy and it came unstuck (cos it was risky). People make these calculations all the time - even if subconsciously.

Suck it up bombers fans!

carlton did it with the salary cap in their last premiership. No one remembers the nearly- if the Bombers get off it's open slather. Get the Dankster in, Robinson Charters what ever. And david Butterpants from Collingwood.

I can see why WCE don't look for a new coach now- he might have some evidence that makes sacking harder.

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[The OtherThommo]

Lock the supporters up, too. They enabled this criminal enterprise by funding it.

[samuraisaint]

I still wish Lazar Vidovic had played in 1997 and smashed everyones faces in and we won - even if he was banned for life.

Id take a flag if our boys were on gear as would the Bombers fans (that part is obvious).

But they got caught. Thats life. High risk - High reward.

They played a high risk/high reward strategy and it came unstuck (cos it was risky). People make these calculations all the time - even if subconsciously.

Suck it up bombers fans!

But have they been caught? I am not an Essendon apologist by any means, but I am just not sure that they have been caught doing anything. Lots of names of chemicals being bandied around and numbers relating to sections in a document, but no positive tests. Testimonies from coaches relating to late night phone calls, who is still allowed to coach, and even admission from a captain that something was taken but he is still playing... I mean, what is really going on?

[Bernard Shakey]

Because it's Essendon and they cheated from the top.

[bergholt]

The supporters are the ones who benefit from the cheating, so surely they should also be the ones who get punished.

[Zed]

What's the point of punishing Essendon?


Who are you really punishing?


In reality, it's the fans that get hurt by it.


If a company does something wrong, granted they may be fined as a punishment - but generally it's the board that gets sent to jail. Obviously the extent of the punsihment varies, but it's the board that are accountable.


Let's say the Saints brought the game into disrepute. Why punish us, the fans? Why would we lose flags and points and draft picks etc.? It's not fair - I didn't do anything! But I'm the one that cops it.


Punish the board. Punish the individuals involved.


But why would you punish the fans - which in reality is what happens.

In the corporate world its shareholders instead of supporters. Boards that make bad decisions they may be fined but more than likely their share price falls - so the shareholders feel the pain - just like we the supporters do.

I hope Essendon cope a fine and lose round 1&2 draft picks for 3 years. They can keep their points.

[Mackaysaint]

What's the point of punishing Essendon?


Who are you really punishing?


In reality, it's the fans that get hurt by it.


If a company does something wrong, granted they may be fined as a punishment - but generally it's the board that gets sent to jail. Obviously the extent of the punsihment varies, but it's the board that are accountable.


Let's say the Saints brought the game into disrepute. Why punish us, the fans? Why would we lose flags and points and draft picks etc.? It's not fair - I didn't do anything! But I'm the one that cops it.


Punish the board. Punish the individuals involved.


But why would you punish the fans - which in reality is what happens.

The fans are essentially shareholders in the club. The shareholders in a company which does wrong suffer because the company is punished and as such the shares are less valuable - at least for a while. If they get their act together and stick within the legal boundaries (i.e. non-flammable or non-toxic product etc.) then they can regain their stock value.

The same process is followed when we punish a club by reducing the quality of draft picks or similar - then the value of the share holding is reduced but time and good practices it can regenerate.

[Mackaysaint]

Snap

[Furphy]

Essendon deserve more than what that are going to get. (and no doubt they will walk away scot free) I have had a gutful how the media grovel to them and Hawthorn, Geelong and Carlton.