Tom ledger?
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
Tom ledger?
Can anyone tell me what Tom Ledger needs to do to get pi led for the seniors?
He looked good a few years ago. Why has he not come on.
Thanks
He looked good a few years ago. Why has he not come on.
Thanks
- ShanghaiSaint
- Club Player
- Posts: 1911
- Joined: Thu 24 Mar 2005 7:43pm
Re: Tom ledger?
i will get flamed here... but i dont think he's showing enough atm to earn a senior spot.
Fortius Quo Fidelius
- Wayne42
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4911
- Joined: Mon 24 Jun 2013 10:27pm
- Has thanked: 619 times
- Been thanked: 558 times
Re: Tom ledger?
It's bad luck for ledger, he doesn't appear to be good enough, it happens..
Some players have long careers and some don't
Some players have long careers and some don't
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
Re: Tom ledger?
More composure with the footy, better decisions, better work rate defensively ....... Terrific clearance rate, very tough, finds the ball with ease...
He is obviously unpopular at Seaford, looks as though he hates being there and his team mates don't appear to like him... For whatever reason...
He needs a change, pity he's not getting a go, he can play..... Much more advanced and clearly a better player than Saunders... Who is favoured to him...
The boy is bright, but mustn't have great interpersonal skills??
He is obviously unpopular at Seaford, looks as though he hates being there and his team mates don't appear to like him... For whatever reason...
He needs a change, pity he's not getting a go, he can play..... Much more advanced and clearly a better player than Saunders... Who is favoured to him...
The boy is bright, but mustn't have great interpersonal skills??
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1311
- Joined: Sun 25 Mar 2012 9:45pm
- Has thanked: 24 times
- Been thanked: 99 times
Re: Tom ledger?
I've said it before and will say it again.. a lot of players continue to improve at 22-23, which is when they generally hit their peak which is then sustained 6 years or so (this is statistaically speaking). Ledger is just 21 at the start of the season. If he improves the next 12 months as he should, he could still be an AFL standard player in 2014.... time will tell.. needs to keep working hard to make sure he gets another crack next year
Re: Tom ledger?
SuperDuper wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.. a lot of players continue to improve at 22-23, which is when they generally hit their peak which is then sustained 6 years or so (this is statistaically speaking). Ledger is just 21 at the start of the season. If he improves the next 12 months as he should, he could still be an AFL standard player in 2014.... time will tell.. needs to keep working hard to make sure he gets another crack next year
3 games in 3 years for a mid isnt good enough. Better to say bad luck and look for another star. 2 coaches havent played him much. Suggests he has problems as a player and I think they are obvious watching him. Skill isnt good and panics.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 25303
- Joined: Tue 01 Feb 2005 4:25pm
- Location: Trump Tower
- Has thanked: 142 times
- Been thanked: 284 times
Re: Tom ledger?
Agree. Definite delisting.plugger66 wrote:SuperDuper wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.. a lot of players continue to improve at 22-23, which is when they generally hit their peak which is then sustained 6 years or so (this is statistaically speaking). Ledger is just 21 at the start of the season. If he improves the next 12 months as he should, he could still be an AFL standard player in 2014.... time will tell.. needs to keep working hard to make sure he gets another crack next year
3 games in 3 years for a mid isnt good enough. Better to say bad luck and look for another star. 2 coaches havent played him much. Suggests he has problems as a player and I think they are obvious watching him. Skill isnt good and panics.
Nah, let's give all draftees 6 years to prove themselves, I'm sure Geelong do that.
i am Melbourne Skies - sometimes Blue Skies, Grey Skies, even Partly Cloudy Skies.
- Dis Believer
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5088
- Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:42pm
- Location: The terraces at Moorabbin, in the pouring rain.......
- Has thanked: 256 times
- Been thanked: 272 times
Re: Tom ledger?
I think it's been written on here as well that his attitude wasn't anywhere near what it should be - at the elite level of any sport, attitude can be the make or break.plugger66 wrote:SuperDuper wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.. a lot of players continue to improve at 22-23, which is when they generally hit their peak which is then sustained 6 years or so (this is statistaically speaking). Ledger is just 21 at the start of the season. If he improves the next 12 months as he should, he could still be an AFL standard player in 2014.... time will tell.. needs to keep working hard to make sure he gets another crack next year
3 games in 3 years for a mid isnt good enough. Better to say bad luck and look for another star. 2 coaches havent played him much. Suggests he has problems as a player and I think they are obvious watching him. Skill isnt good and panics.
The heavy metal artist formerly known as True Believer!
IF you look around the room and can't identify who the sucker is, then it's probably you!
IF you look around the room and can't identify who the sucker is, then it's probably you!
Re: Tom ledger?
He had dinner with other players last night, mingled with them through the night, are you sure he isn't liked by his peers?
Sure he hasn't got a game recently, but what suggests he's on the outer with his teammates BM?
Sure he hasn't got a game recently, but what suggests he's on the outer with his teammates BM?
- stkildathunda
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2176
- Joined: Mon 10 Aug 2009 11:03am
- Location: Inside The Circle Of Zen
- Contact:
Re: Tom ledger?
Exactly, couldn't be further from the truth.SainterK wrote:He had dinner with other players last night, mingled with them through the night, are you sure he isn't liked by his peers?
Sure he hasn't got a game recently, but what suggests he's on the outer with his teammates BM?
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12421
- Joined: Tue 24 Mar 2009 11:05pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 296 times
- Been thanked: 55 times
Re: Tom ledger?
We are all speculating on the fact he doesn't get games. Maybe they have KPIs he has to meet and they will put him up when he meets them. Maybe team balance doesn't require another grunt in and under mid. Good luck to Ledge hope he makes it- time will tell wether or not he's worth persevering with. He does get the ball so he's half way there.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 1998
- Joined: Thu 23 Sep 2010 11:35am
- Been thanked: 1198 times
Re: Tom ledger?
Both Ledger and Ross are quite similar. Both get a lot of the ball but both butcher it. Don't think you can play them both. Either one or the other. And as for Ledger not being popular among team mates. You got to be joking. By the way Saunders was good on Sunday.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2186
- Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:59pm
- Location: by the seaside..
- Has thanked: 35 times
- Been thanked: 185 times
Re: Tom ledger?
From what little I have seen doesn't have a lot of composure when he gets the ball and turns it over too frequently. Skills seem to let him down.
“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
Re: Tom ledger?
stkildathunda wrote:Exactly, couldn't be further from the truth.SainterK wrote:He had dinner with other players last night, mingled with them through the night, are you sure he isn't liked by his peers?
Sure he hasn't got a game recently, but what suggests he's on the outer with his teammates BM?
For one of the few times i will go with BM here. he wasnt popular at all with certain players. may have changed. doubt though it is any reason at all for not getting a game.
- st_Trav_ofWA
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8886
- Joined: Wed 13 Sep 2006 7:10pm
- Location: Perth
- Contact:
Re: Tom ledger?
i had high hopes for Ledger but i sadly think he might be another of those players who slip through the cracks .. i think he will have a heck of a fight to stay on the list and if he does get cut i doubt he will attract much interest at all from anyother club
"The team that wins in the most positions and makes the least amount of mistakes, usually wins the game." -- Allan Jeans
http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
- dragit
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13047
- Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
- Has thanked: 605 times
- Been thanked: 315 times
Re: Tom ledger?
Would like to see him play 3 in a row, sink or swim time.
Same goes for Curren, lets have a look at them at AFL level do we can make call before the end of this year.
Same goes for Curren, lets have a look at them at AFL level do we can make call before the end of this year.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1874
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 10:38pm
- Location: In a laundrette, San Francisco USA
- Has thanked: 4 times
- Been thanked: 54 times
Re: Tom ledger?
He might get a run sooner than you think ...... and from all accounts he is a nice young chap.
I have never known a football club where everyone is best mates. Just doesn't happen.
The boy has some confidence, not a bad thing if you ask me.
I have never known a football club where everyone is best mates. Just doesn't happen.
The boy has some confidence, not a bad thing if you ask me.
Not Craw, CRAW!
Re: Tom ledger?
dragit wrote:Would like to see him play 3 in a row, sink or swim time.
Same goes for Curren, lets have a look at them at AFL level do we can make call before the end of this year.
Never get this 3 in a row thing. many happy to get rid of ferg after one game. 3 in a row works if a player is ok in the first game. if they arent people forget they wanted them to play 3 in a row.
- stkildathunda
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2176
- Joined: Mon 10 Aug 2009 11:03am
- Location: Inside The Circle Of Zen
- Contact:
Re: Tom ledger?
Fair enough, but could say same with every player on list. Not everyone is going to get along with each other. Always going to be "issues" when you have group 46 blokes.plugger66 wrote:stkildathunda wrote:Exactly, couldn't be further from the truth.SainterK wrote:He had dinner with other players last night, mingled with them through the night, are you sure he isn't liked by his peers?
Sure he hasn't got a game recently, but what suggests he's on the outer with his teammates BM?
For one of the few times i will go with BM here. he wasnt popular at all with certain players. may have changed. doubt though it is any reason at all for not getting a game.
Re: Tom ledger?
Agreed but his problem was just about everyone in his age group. that was a while ago though. No idea now. As i said though it was have nothing to do with him not getting a game. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasnt been involved in any footy club. coaches will always pick the best players for the job because I would think nearly all wont to keep their job. he isnt getting a game for other reasons.stkildathunda wrote:Fair enough, but could say same with every player on list. Not everyone is going to get along with each other. Always going to be "issues" when you have group 46 blokes.plugger66 wrote:stkildathunda wrote:
Exactly, couldn't be further from the truth.
For one of the few times i will go with BM here. he wasnt popular at all with certain players. may have changed. doubt though it is any reason at all for not getting a game.
- mad saint guy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7065
- Joined: Tue 26 Jul 2005 9:44pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 52 times
- Been thanked: 356 times
Re: Tom ledger?
Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him at Freo playing senior footy next year. He is clearly a better player right now than several guys who are getting games but there must be more reasons than football ability which are keeping him out of the side. Lyon rated him and gave him matches when fit and in form, he has since become a better player and Watters won't play him - or even name him as an emergency.
Skills simply can't be the reason he isn't playing. Jack Steven was one of the worst kicks of the footy I've seen at AFL level last year, but that was because he was rushing and didn't have the composure required. That only comes with experience, and now his kicking is fine - I suspect the same thing would happen with Ledger if he was given time. Jones has been a liability with the ball for his entire career and that hasn't stopped him getting picked. Fitness couldn't be an issue given he is racking up huge numbers in the VFL and has been a stand-out performer in final quarters. Maybe it's defensive pressure, although I find it hard to believe that such a smart kid wouldn't be able to wake up to the fact that he needs to chase and tackle to save his AFL career. What seems most likely to me is that he doesn't get along with Watters.
Skills simply can't be the reason he isn't playing. Jack Steven was one of the worst kicks of the footy I've seen at AFL level last year, but that was because he was rushing and didn't have the composure required. That only comes with experience, and now his kicking is fine - I suspect the same thing would happen with Ledger if he was given time. Jones has been a liability with the ball for his entire career and that hasn't stopped him getting picked. Fitness couldn't be an issue given he is racking up huge numbers in the VFL and has been a stand-out performer in final quarters. Maybe it's defensive pressure, although I find it hard to believe that such a smart kid wouldn't be able to wake up to the fact that he needs to chase and tackle to save his AFL career. What seems most likely to me is that he doesn't get along with Watters.
- Selhurst Saint
- Club Player
- Posts: 1762
- Joined: Thu 19 Aug 2004 9:09am
- Location: I do like to be beside the seaside
- Been thanked: 35 times
Re: Tom ledger?
You are completely off the mark here, Sebs disposal is as good as any player in the senior team.tony74 wrote:Both Ledger and Ross are quite similar. Both get a lot of the ball but both butcher it. Don't think you can play them both. Either one or the other. And as for Ledger not being popular among team mates. You got to be joking. By the way Saunders was good on Sunday.
"...If there has been one recurring theme through this whole shocking mess, it has been the misguided, inflated egos and their ill-judged determination to cling to long-standing old boy friendships. The bad advice that has guided the selfish and culpable James Hird has not only punctuated this saga but symbolised it..."
- Bernard Shakey
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11237
- Joined: Sun 18 Mar 2007 11:22pm
- Location: Down By The River 1989, 2003, 2009 & 2013
- Has thanked: 120 times
- Been thanked: 137 times
Re: Tom ledger?
He is just not AFL standard.
I've said it before that he tries to do it all himself and doesn't use teammates. Probably as others have said this is because he panics and makes bad decisions.
Doubt he'll be here next year.
I've said it before that he tries to do it all himself and doesn't use teammates. Probably as others have said this is because he panics and makes bad decisions.
Doubt he'll be here next year.
Old enough to repaint, but young enough to sell