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i dont really care, as long as they stay out of the papers and train and play well.Con Gorozidis wrote:So you reckon any of our lads might have tested +ve for blow?
I care.ShanghaiSaint wrote:i dont really care, as long as they stay out of the papers and train and play well.Con Gorozidis wrote:So you reckon any of our lads might have tested +ve for blow?
I think you might be over-stating the impact of recreational drug use… Sure any substance can be abused to the point of consuming and destroying lives, but it is also possible to use drugs in moderation without spiraling out of control, not that different to alcohol in that regard IMO.Iceman234 wrote:I care.ShanghaiSaint wrote:i dont really care, as long as they stay out of the papers and train and play well.Con Gorozidis wrote:So you reckon any of our lads might have tested +ve for blow?
Not just for their personal health and welfare, but the impact it can have across the board.
Really, is cocaine/illicit drugs accepted in general society? If I found out one of my work colleagues or one of my other mates was on the gear I would be filthy and would have no hesitation in getting them help, rather than saying "hope they do their job ok".
If it was one of my kids I would be devastated and would do anything within reason/legal to help them.
Really? Is it that accepted?
I must live a sheltered life...
Back in my 20s i hit clubs had a pill or two... did not affect my personal or work life... so i dont see a massive big deal with it. Seen more violence and destruction caused by drinking when out on the town. it's all about balance with anything in life... that being said i would prefer they didn't do it but they're grown men the choice is up to them.Iceman234 wrote:I care.ShanghaiSaint wrote:i dont really care, as long as they stay out of the papers and train and play well.Con Gorozidis wrote:So you reckon any of our lads might have tested +ve for blow?
Not just for their personal health and welfare, but the impact it can have across the board.
Really, is cocaine/illicit drugs accepted in general society? If I found out one of my work colleagues or one of my other mates was on the gear I would be filthy and would have no hesitation in getting them help, rather than saying "hope they do their job ok".
If it was one of my kids I would be devastated and would do anything within reason/legal to help them.
Really? Is it that accepted?
I must live a sheltered life...
All of the above is correct.Iceman234 wrote:I care.ShanghaiSaint wrote:i dont really care, as long as they stay out of the papers and train and play well.Con Gorozidis wrote:So you reckon any of our lads might have tested +ve for blow?
Not just for their personal health and welfare, but the impact it can have across the board.
Really, is cocaine/illicit drugs accepted in general society? If I found out one of my work colleagues or one of my other mates was on the gear I would be filthy and would have no hesitation in getting them help, rather than saying "hope they do their job ok".
If it was one of my kids I would be devastated and would do anything within reason/legal to help them.
Really? Is it that accepted?
I must live a sheltered life...
Drug use accounts for probably around 70% of our crime stats overall, realistically probably closer to 80-90% I reckon.satchmo wrote: All of the above is correct.
This subject is beyond the scope of a mere football forum IMHO.
Drug use is rampant in our society. I'd say that is a fact.
But to seriously address these issues requires much more of an open mind than most of us are willing to offer.
Iceman I hear u and respect your opinion. my dad's factory is in Springvale... I worked there for a couple years in the peak of the heroin days in Springvale. I have seen first hand what it does, we dealt with junkies on a daily basis. trying to steal out of you car and shooting up next to our factory/needles all over the place.. But there's having a line here and there and hammering three grams up your nose each day... balance and control.. but i prefer that our players are not taking any type of illegal drugsIceman234 wrote:Drug use accounts for probably around 70% of our crime stats overall, realistically probably closer to 80-90% I reckon.satchmo wrote: All of the above is correct.
This subject is beyond the scope of a mere football forum IMHO.
Drug use is rampant in our society. I'd say that is a fact.
But to seriously address these issues requires much more of an open mind than most of us are willing to offer.
I endorse your comment re the beyond the scope of a football forum. Of course it is but that doesn't preclude us from hearing the opinions of others. I look forward to the ASADA hearings becoming public, however I personally think the bigger problem will ultimately be the elephant in the room, cocaine and other drugs.
ShanghaiSaint wrote:Iceman I hear u and respect your opinion. my dad's factory is in Springvale... I worked there for a couple years in the peak of the heroine days in Springvale. I have seen first hand what it does, we dealt with junkies on a daily basis. trying to steal out of you car and shooting up next to our factory/needles all over the place.. But there's having a line here and there and hammering three grams up your nose each day... balance and control.. but i prefer that our players are not taking any type of illegal drugsIceman234 wrote:Drug use accounts for probably around 70% of our crime stats overall, realistically probably closer to 80-90% I reckon.satchmo wrote: All of the above is correct.
This subject is beyond the scope of a mere football forum IMHO.
Drug use is rampant in our society. I'd say that is a fact.
But to seriously address these issues requires much more of an open mind than most of us are willing to offer.
I endorse your comment re the beyond the scope of a football forum. Of course it is but that doesn't preclude us from hearing the opinions of others. I look forward to the ASADA hearings becoming public, however I personally think the bigger problem will ultimately be the elephant in the room, cocaine and other drugs.
i personally just don't see it as such a big deal these days.
I do see why you think it's important as these guys are role models for younger guys/kids... and monkey see monkey do. I agree that the AFL should stamp it out.. as it's A not good to do and B a very bad look for impressionable young minds. I was a bit blunt in my first comment.Iceman234 wrote:
I appreciate that, but don't think it couldn't for a second be our boys, or our kids, supplementing the incomes of OC figures...it is a big deal, my thoughts are that the AFL is doing everything they can but I just get disappointed by others that it's accepted. It is a huge issue and will get bigger...it's a great life to be in a place where we think our sports people are not involved in match fixing. But even team sports can be corrupted.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.SaintPav wrote:That's interesting. Most people including probably myself would have the same view.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:honestly and i might be alone in this but i really couldnt care less if players are on rec drugs on their down time ... it is after all their life to stuff up how ever they like ... what i expect from footballers is to train hard and play the game as hard as they can what they do in their own time is up to them as long as it doesnt effect their training and playing ability and they dont get into trouble with the law then i could care less...
So basically we only care about the players in the context of playing performance and how well they play? What about the health and personal impacts drugs have on players etc?
Philosophically this concept does not sit well with me as it's selfish and sad. Viewing players as a commodity is a reflection of our society we live in; just like profit over people.
Maybe we care more about players having the freedom to choose how they treat their bodies etc. I like that better so I'll go with that.
make no mistake i would rather that no one in society found the need to take rec drugs but this is the real world for a varriety of reasond people are going to look for that high . these guys are grown men some will say 18 is not grown up but i disagree by 18 you know whats right and whats wrong and you have the ability to choose what you wish to do now some of these players choose to snort coke .. fine their choice just like the guy servicing my car might choose to snort it or the girl processing my home insurance might choose to snort it ... the point is its thier choice and as long as it doesnt effect their day to day roles most people wouldnt care .... i reserve the care for the people i actually know the people i can influence change in not a person who i dont know and would care less about me ...SaintPav wrote:That's interesting. Most people including probably myself would have the same view.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:honestly and i might be alone in this but i really couldnt care less if players are on rec drugs on their down time ... it is after all their life to stuff up how ever they like ... what i expect from footballers is to train hard and play the game as hard as they can what they do in their own time is up to them as long as it doesnt effect their training and playing ability and they dont get into trouble with the law then i could care less...
So basically we only care about the players in the context of playing performance and how well they play? What about the health and personal impacts drugs have on players etc?
Philosophically this concept does not sit well with me as it's selfish and sad. Viewing players as a commodity is a reflection of our society we live in; just like profit over people.
Maybe we care more about players having the freedom to choose how they treat their bodies etc. I like that better so I'll go with that.
i would imagine if we had the internet , camera phones, Facebook Instagram ect in the 60's you would have found there were more than just the hippies taking drugs .. the hippies were just not hiding the fact .... in the 80's corporate drug use was rampant... now days its the norm because there is no hiding from it the media love reporting on it and it gives the impression of it being more common ...Johnny Member wrote:But St Trav, those who did take drugs in the 60s were lablled as hippies and were on the fringe. The beer drinkers didn't relate.
Now, it's the norm.
I've played in sporting clubs, work in a corporate environment and have several circles of friends - and in all of those areas drug use is as common to most of them as a Friday night wine on the couch for me is.
Johnny Member wrote:People show their age, and ignorance to a degree, when talking about drugs.
Here's the deal:
Drugs can f*** you up really bad.
So can gambling.
So can drinking.
So can eating.
Hell, so can online gaming these days!
But none of the above categorically f*** you up.
Many, many people take drugs, and you would never even know it. They are responsible about it and know their limitations. Same with gambling, drinking and anything else.
The thing with drugs, is that they make you feel good. That's the point of them. If they made you feel s*** - no one would take them!
So when we tell kids "don't take drugs, they're bad!", and as part of being young they get curious and take them anyway - they feel good and instantly think that we don't know what the hell we're talking about! They have the time of their lives, and think that the old dudes who told them how bad drugs are must just be being kill joys.
The other thing with drugs, is that it's easier to take them regularly, which is a trap. If you got pissed every night, the hangovers alone would make you change your mind and pull back! But you can easily get stoned every night and wake up fresh as a daisy.
So folks, the reality is that 'recreational drugs' is the new beer! The youth of today are simply doing what we did - they're just using something that most of us didn't, and the big worry is that they're using something that most of us don't understand. If we don't understand it - then we can't educate them on it.