I don't think we paid overs for lee

[magnifisaint]

As of round 2 we have paid overs for both players but there is at least 2 or 3 years to find out if we really paid overs.

so what you're really saying is that you don't know.

[Verdun66]

Exactly BM. It might well be (and I certainly hope so) that Wright ends up being seen as a steal at his pick. It is very inexact. Look at this poor bloke at Freo. Top 20 pick, and he's found to have a heart defect. Things like this, injuries, desire (or lack of it) all conspire to make it paramount that you are consistent over the years with draft picks. We haven't been, but the last couple of years might be a start.

As an example I played in the Australian U19 cricket team many moons ago. Only 1 of us played Test cricket. A few played Shield, and the best player in the team gave up and went bush aged 21. It's a lottery really. Stacked in the favour of the Top 10, but even then, it doesn't always work out.

[gringo]

The only good thing about being in a development cycle is that guys will be given a go if they deserve it. There are still plenty of players who come and go from the system never getting to show what they could do.

One of the funny things about recruits is that some how people think if you get in and work hard the good players will make it. heaps don't get a chance in their spot or are injured too often etc. It is really a case of having talent, application, mental strength, resilience etc in equal measures and then an opportunity to show it.

Lee looked magic in the Foxtel series and as much as people say it's only WAFL versus VFL or SANFL etc he still took control when he needed to. His confidence got up and he looked a gun. I think if he gets his confidence up in the VFL he might just surprise a few.

[Verdun66]

Opportunity, and confidence. Goes a long way.

[andrewg]

Lee will be great for us please re watch

if you alreay havn't. His marks at 1:06, 1:20, 1:31, 1:48 are outstanding.

Good leap, great timing, good hands, nice kicking action. All he needs is confidence at AFL level. He will be an excellent addition to our team.

[andrewg]

on the confidence thing you only have to look at Gilberts 2009 season to realise that with the right support, some confidence and a little luck players that work hard and give effort can be very very good.

[gringo]

Lee will be great for us please re watch

if you alreay havn't. His marks at 1:06, 1:20, 1:31, 1:48 are outstanding.

Good leap, great timing, good hands, nice kicking action. All he needs is confidence at AFL level. He will be an excellent addition to our team.

I kind of thought of him as a 6'4" Milney and have mentioned that but he obviously can take a contested grab as well. He looks a beauty from that.

[Siposstar#2]

Exactly BM. It might well be (and I certainly hope so) that Wright ends up being seen as a steal at his pick. It is very inexact. Look at this poor bloke at Freo. Top 20 pick, and he's found to have a heart defect. Things like this, injuries, desire (or lack of it) all conspire to make it paramount that you are consistent over the years with draft picks. We haven't been, but the last couple of years might be a start.

As an example I played in the Australian U19 cricket team many moons ago. Only 1 of us played Test cricket. A few played Shield, and the best player in the team gave up and went bush aged 21. It's a lottery really. Stacked in the favour of the Top 10, but even then, it doesn't always work out.

Could it be. Are you warney??

[Verdun66]

He's way younger.....and didn't play for Aust U19! Good example of someone developing later. Was in the Academy, but got kicked out. Doubt Warney would have survived in an AFL type environment. Too much of a maverick character. But boy, what we would have missed!! Imagine him saying the things he said to John Buchanan to an AFL coach. Different sports, and he clearly thought Buchanan knew nothing. But....

And a Sainter! Never met him though....

[Cairnsman]

why all the negativity for Hickey after one game. I saw him do some things in that GC game that would vindicate the clubs reason for picking him up. History says premiership teams have decent ruckmen so hopefully he comes good.

[Teflon]

We seem to be going over old ground. We got packages of players for those picks. They weren't singular. At the time I read quite a few of the phantom drafts, and a theme emerged that the top 10 picks were really that, but picks 10-30 you could pretty much throw a blanket over. So instead of 2 players in that bracket we actually got 4 in the top 25. Then some bonuses in the 40's. Wright apparently could have gone anywhere from about 15-18 onwards.

Hickey we badly needed, as exemplified by our dire circumstance when McEvoy was injured last year. Other clubs were after him. Because we badly needed a 2nd ruckman nothing was 'overs'. Other clubs were after Lee apparently. We tried very hard to do the key back deal, but clearly would have had to pay overs, so we didn't. Nearly got done.

We are trying to catch up on years of poor recruiting, and are making a pretty fair effort. Getting 4 picks instead of 2 in the top 25 seems like a good deal to me.

IF those additional picks work out

Getting Wright at 24 and Lee with 12 plus another pick needs to be balanced up with what went at 12/13 in the draft we could have taken

Didn't we also already have a mid 20's and 40's pick regardless of Lee deal? If so we didn't get those picks in addition - we just upgraded spots...??

[plugger66]

We seem to be going over old ground. We got packages of players for those picks. They weren't singular. At the time I read quite a few of the phantom drafts, and a theme emerged that the top 10 picks were really that, but picks 10-30 you could pretty much throw a blanket over. So instead of 2 players in that bracket we actually got 4 in the top 25. Then some bonuses in the 40's. Wright apparently could have gone anywhere from about 15-18 onwards.

Hickey we badly needed, as exemplified by our dire circumstance when McEvoy was injured last year. Other clubs were after him. Because we badly needed a 2nd ruckman nothing was 'overs'. Other clubs were after Lee apparently. We tried very hard to do the key back deal, but clearly would have had to pay overs, so we didn't. Nearly got done.

We are trying to catch up on years of poor recruiting, and are making a pretty fair effort. Getting 4 picks instead of 2 in the top 25 seems like a good deal to me.

IF those additional picks work out

Getting Wright at 24 and Lee with 12 plus another pick needs to be balanced up with what went at 12/13 in the draft we could have taken

Didn't we also already have a mid 20's and 40's pick regardless of Lee deal? If so we didn't get those picks in addition - we just upgraded spots...??

I have a feeling that was for Hickey. I think we did get 3 picks for Lee. Its way to early to call good or bad but just because you get 3 picks doesnt make it good unless we get at least one very good player out of it.

[bergholt]

It is very inexact. Look at this poor bloke at Freo. Top 20 pick, and he's found to have a heart defect.

Jayden Pitt? Yeah. Or Anthony Morabito, who they got at number 4 the year before that - he's had three knee recos so far. Who's to say that either of those picks were wrong, it's just that there were factors that no-one could have predicted about them which will mean they were wasted.

[bigcarl]

As an example I played in the Australian U19 cricket team many moons ago. Only 1 of us played Test cricket. A few played Shield, and the best player in the team gave up and went bush aged 21. It's a lottery really. Stacked in the favour of the Top 10, but even then, it doesn't always work out.

Who was the one that played Tests, Verdun, out of interest? Which era? Give us a clue.

[CURLY]

Really cant see what the issue is. If Lee was 18 and kicked 60 goals in the WAFL and had Lee's skill set he'd be touted as number one in the draft. Cant understand what the issue is.

[Verdun66]

Murray Bennett. Didn't play many, but bowled the Windies out with Bob Holland to win us a rare Test against them. Bowled Viv with a Jaffa.

[plugger66]

Really cant see what the issue is. If Lee was 18 and kicked 60 goals in the WAFL and had Lee's skill set he'd be touted as number one in the draft. Cant understand what the issue is.

He is 22 though.

[CURLY]

Really cant see what the issue is. If Lee was 18 and kicked 60 goals in the WAFL and had Lee's skill set he'd be touted as number one in the draft. Cant understand what the issue is.

He is 22 though.

Big deal whats that mean?

[plugger66]

Really cant see what the issue is. If Lee was 18 and kicked 60 goals in the WAFL and had Lee's skill set he'd be touted as number one in the draft. Cant understand what the issue is.

He is 22 though.

Big deal whats that mean?

It means he has played senior footy for 4 years and even had one in the AFL. He should be very close in being ready to go. Nick Sauntner kicked 60 every year in the VFL. No club took him.

[CURLY]

It means he has played senior footy for 4 years and even had one in the AFL. He should be very close in being ready to go. Nick Sauntner kicked 60 every year in the VFL. No club took him.

Sautner obviously had flaws that a AFL club wouldnt take a risk with then. Lee by all accounts has grown late and wasnt prepared for AFL footy when first drafted. A lot of 18 year olds arent.

[bigcarl]

Murray Bennett. Didn't play many, but bowled the Windies out with Bob Holland to win us a rare Test against them. Bowled Viv with a Jaffa.

Ah yeah, I remember him. Tall left arm orthodox and wore glasses.

[bigcarl]

Nick Sauntner kicked 60 every year in the VFL. No club took him.

True, but maybe someone should have. Used to know where the goals were.

[plugger66]

It means he has played senior footy for 4 years and even had one in the AFL. He should be very close in being ready to go. Nick Sauntner kicked 60 every year in the VFL. No club took him.

Sautner obviously had flaws that a AFL club wouldnt take a risk with then. Lee by all accounts has grown late and wasnt prepared for AFL footy when first drafted. A lot of 18 year olds arent.

I know that but you would hope Lee with 4 years senior experience will come on by the end of the year. I dont think it would be a good sign if he only played one or 2 games this year.

[CURLY]

Murray Bennett. Didn't play many, but bowled the Windies out with Bob Holland to win us a rare Test against them. Bowled Viv with a Jaffa.

Ah yeah, I remember him. Tall left arm orthodox and wore glasses.

Best arm ball ever.

[BigMart]

Saunter should definitely have played AFL many players worse than him did.... Preoccupation with 18yo athletes. Today's mindset... He would have been a certainty in 2001/2.

He was better at 32 than 5 stk fwds he played with in 2009....