St Kilda - The forgotten team
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St Kilda - The forgotten team
It's not often a team wins 12 games, loses another five by 13 points or less, finishes ninth on the ladder, then gets so completely overlooked in final eight speculation the following pre-season it's as if it ceased to exist.
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The first word of optimism I have heard about the Saints this preseason from an outsider.
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The first word of optimism I have heard about the Saints this preseason from an outsider.
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Re: St Kilda - The forgotten team
I've said it earlier, but I think we will surprise many this year and still think we have the best compliment of small forwards in the comp.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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Re: St Kilda - The forgotten team
Rohan couldn't wait or the slow news day got to the subbies
he mentioned he had done this article on this mornings radio
ona similiar line I heard someone give a tip last night against the saints and they suggested the reason was that the saints had too many old and past it players.
I checked 3 of the other teams who have been contending in the last few years- and have won a few.
Pies have 11 players around 30
Cats have 13 players around 30
Hawks have 8 players around 30
and Saints have 10 players around 30
why should Mitchell be assured of getting through a season
why should Fletcher be assured of getting through a season
why will Chappy survive if injections are reduced....
he mentioned he had done this article on this mornings radio
ona similiar line I heard someone give a tip last night against the saints and they suggested the reason was that the saints had too many old and past it players.
I checked 3 of the other teams who have been contending in the last few years- and have won a few.
Pies have 11 players around 30
Cats have 13 players around 30
Hawks have 8 players around 30
and Saints have 10 players around 30
why should Mitchell be assured of getting through a season
why should Fletcher be assured of getting through a season
why will Chappy survive if injections are reduced....
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Silly reasoning by Rohan and Co. What makes me think we will struggle this year (we should account for Gold Coast) is cos unlike those other clubs mentioned we lack quality in the middle age group which has been highlighted internally and in the media. We've got a good group of players 28+ and between 19-24 however lack players in their prime years 25-28.saintbrat wrote:Rohan couldn't wait or the slow news day got to the subbies
he mentioned he had done this article on this mornings radio
ona similiar line I heard someone give a tip last night against the saints and they suggested the reason was that the saints had too many old and past it players.
I checked 3 of the other teams who have been contending in the last few years- and have won a few.
Pies have 11 players around 30
Cats have 13 players around 30
Hawks have 8 players around 30
and Saints have 10 players around 30
why should Mitchell be assured of getting through a season
why should Fletcher be assured of getting through a season
why will Chappy survive if injections are reduced....
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It wasn't Rohan who did the reasoning on the aging and past it list- but there seems to be this perception..
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Re: St Kilda - The forgotten team
Why do some supporters seemingly get off due to media coverage or lackthereof?FQF wrote:It's not often a team wins 12 games, loses another five by 13 points or less, finishes ninth on the ladder, then gets so completely overlooked in final eight speculation the following pre-season it's as if it ceased to exist.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... z2OuKqjiyB
The first word of optimism I have heard about the Saints this preseason from an outsider.
Why not just enjoy what your team does and go from there?
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agree, and i like coming into the season under the radar... just like in 04 and 09.3rd generation saint wrote:I've said it earlier, but I think we will surprise many this year and still think we have the best compliment of small forwards in the comp.
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list talent and guns at different stage than 04 and 09ShanghaiSaint wrote:agree, and i like coming into the season under the radar... just like in 04 and 09.3rd generation saint wrote:I've said it earlier, but I think we will surprise many this year and still think we have the best compliment of small forwards in the comp.
09 we were coming off a prelim.........we were not under the radar
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Agree, we've recruited heavily to help rectify this problem, but unfortunately they don't come with experience. I would like to see a figure for total games accumulated by players under 27, I reckon we would be at the very bottom.Old Mate wrote:Silly reasoning by Rohan and Co. What makes me think we will struggle this year (we should account for Gold Coast) is cos unlike those other clubs mentioned we lack quality in the middle age group which has been highlighted internally and in the media. We've got a good group of players 28+ and between 19-24 however lack players in their prime years 25-28.saintbrat wrote:Rohan couldn't wait or the slow news day got to the subbies
he mentioned he had done this article on this mornings radio
ona similiar line I heard someone give a tip last night against the saints and they suggested the reason was that the saints had too many old and past it players.
I checked 3 of the other teams who have been contending in the last few years- and have won a few.
Pies have 11 players around 30
Cats have 13 players around 30
Hawks have 8 players around 30
and Saints have 10 players around 30
why should Mitchell be assured of getting through a season
why should Fletcher be assured of getting through a season
why will Chappy survive if injections are reduced....
Lee, Hickey, Saad, Milera, TDL, Maister, Roberton, Dunnell... Some very good potential there, but I think it is unrealistic to expect them to be at full flight until they are approaching the 50 game mark, which is 2 years away. It's why I think it is do important to get games into them while our stars are still there. Delisting Polo, Peake, Clarke etc was a good start, but I really don't want to see Kosi, CJ and even Blake played in front of these mid 20's guys.
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yep agree re Blake, Kosi and Jones - its kid time now and fast.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
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agree teffers. we are lacking that genuine a grade marquee player. i just dont see it with steven and armo. good support acts...but not gun material imo. hopefully we find a couple of a graders from newnes, sippos, wright and co.
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Forgotten can be a good thing. Look at the Swans.
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We weren't much chop in 1997 either but made the GF.
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And we still aren't much chop...hopefully we'll develop as the season unfoldslinz wrote:We weren't much chop in 1997 either .
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You are absolutely right. Well said. The Swannies went on to win the premiership in 2012 more importantly we were one of the few AFL teams to put them to the sword. I think the story in the Age made some very important points that a few people on this forum seem to conveniently forget probably because they are so intent on bagging the team at every opportunity or reminding everyone how useless we are and have been. I have said it before and I will say it again. We have a very good coach. We have some promising new players. Our win lose record last season was not a complete disaster. We have reason to be optimistic. So before we write off season 2013 can we at least wait and see how we go this season? Who knows we might all be pleasantly surprised.saintsRrising wrote:Forgotten can be a good thing. Look at the Swans.
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I agree regarding the lack of A Grade talent. Even Steven doesn't seem to quite have the skill set to be THAT good. Siposs maybe?Teflon wrote:yep agree re Blake, Kosi and Jones - its kid time now and fast.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
Would've been great to have nabbed Caddy, but it was never a big possibility.
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damienc wrote:You are absolutely right. Well said. The Swannies went on to win the premiership in 2012 more importantly we were one of the few AFL teams to put them to the sword. I think the story in the Age made some very important points that a few people on this forum seem to conveniently forget probably because they are so intent on bagging the team at every opportunity or reminding everyone how useless we are and have been. I have said it before and I will say it again. We have a very good coach. We have some promising new players. Our win lose record last season was not a complete disaster. We have reason to be optimistic. So before we write off season 2013 can we at least wait and see how we go this season? Who knows we might all be pleasantly surprised.saintsRrising wrote:Forgotten can be a good thing. Look at the Swans.
if you start high and lose often, it invites disappointment...if you start low and win it is uplifting....
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Still feel like James Frawley is on the radar and Brown for west coast (both out of contract 2014), these two would strengthen up defence.Teflon wrote:yep agree re Blake, Kosi and Jones - its kid time now and fast.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
Then it's a matter of poaching one of the young guns from Gold Coast or GWS 2-3 years our wait for a gun 27-28 year old free agent midfielder. Add this to the development from our young guys and we should de pretty well in 2016-17
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He has a point. Those five we lost by 13 or less were a real killer. In at least two we were the victims of some very questionable umpiring.It's not often a team wins 12 games, loses another five by 13 points or less, finishes ninth on the ladder etc
If a few things go right we can be very competitive this season. But we have to start the season well.
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I thought I read the other day that Frawley is contracted for 2014?andrewg wrote:Still feel like James Frawley is on the radar and Brown for west coast (both out of contract 2014), these two would strengthen up defence.Teflon wrote:yep agree re Blake, Kosi and Jones - its kid time now and fast.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
Then it's a matter of poaching one of the young guns from Gold Coast or GWS 2-3 years our wait for a gun 27-28 year old free agent midfielder. Add this to the development from our young guys and we should de pretty well in 2016-17
I wouldn't be hinging our future defensive stakes on Brown....who cant crack into the Eagles .....that aint A grade
I reckon midfield A grade will be interesting
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When has any supporter been able to predict when we were a flag threat? You choose to be either upbeat or down beat, reality suggests nobody really knows what is possible. Any negative bias says more about the individual than anything really going on at St.Kilda.
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Really excited to hear that we will target mids and key defenders at seasons end. Hopefully can get some though free agency , while maintaining our draft picks.
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Teflon wrote:I thought I read the other day that Frawley is contracted for 2014?andrewg wrote:Still feel like James Frawley is on the radar and Brown for west coast (both out of contract 2014), these two would strengthen up defence.Teflon wrote:yep agree re Blake, Kosi and Jones - its kid time now and fast.
what scares me as we wait say 2 yrs to get near 50 games into some of these players is the lack of A Grade quality.
when we drafted Roo, Ball, Kosi (?) even Dal we knew we knew in there some stars were brewing.........now in Newnes, Armo, Steven, Saad, Lee, Milera, we havent a clue what weve really got.
Glad and interested to hear Watters say we are going for an A Grade midfielder and gun defender........we need to re inject some top line quality BUT mayeb the thinking is.........get a core of better skilled, capable support cast players......and go hard free agency?????
Dunno buut its gonna be interesting.
Then it's a matter of poaching one of the young guns from Gold Coast or GWS 2-3 years our wait for a gun 27-28 year old free agent midfielder. Add this to the development from our young guys and we should de pretty well in 2016-17
I wouldn't be hinging our future defensive stakes on Brown....who cant crack into the Eagles .....that aint A grade
I reckon midfield A grade will be interesting
Yes he has 2 years to go including this year. It was a rumour at best.We were never a chance of getting him unless BF or SS carry more weight. Lets forget Brown at the moment as well. If he plays 5 games this year I wouldnt see any reason to get excited. If he plays 18 I reckon WCE will try very hard to get a new contract signed by him.
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We were considered to be a fair way behind the hawks, cats and dogs in 2008. I don't think anyone predicted our stellar home and away season in 2009.chook23 wrote:list talent and guns at different stage than 04 and 09ShanghaiSaint wrote:agree, and i like coming into the season under the radar... just like in 04 and 09.3rd generation saint wrote:I've said it earlier, but I think we will surprise many this year and still think we have the best compliment of small forwards in the comp.
09 we were coming off a prelim.........we were not under the radar
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Judging by the membership numbers, it's saints fans who have forgotten sadly
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