Hawthorn had almost a full side out. plus i dont rate teams that have not made finals in the past decade. they will struggle again this year richmond. I have Brisbane finishing ahead of them, along with 8 other teams.bergholt wrote:You don't think Richmond are going to be any good this year? Pre-season form means nothing, but they did just beat the Hawks. I reckon they might be a bit better than you expect.saintdooley wrote:Let him play a few. we have have one of the best starts to the year out of all clubs. GC, Rich and GWS. we should be 3-0.
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.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
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Richter wrote:Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
he had a hip injury and a dodgy shoulder.....says he's fine now....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Can't be true, he never has a reason other than not trying enoughstinger wrote:Richter wrote:Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
he had a hip injury and a dodgy shoulder.....says he's fine now....
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SainterK wrote:Can't be true, he never has a reason other than not trying enoughstinger wrote:Richter wrote:Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
he had a hip injury and a dodgy shoulder.....says he's fine now....
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He's always got an excuse, this time it was two a hip and a shoulder.stinger wrote:Richter wrote:Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
he had a hip injury and a dodgy shoulder.....says he's fine now....
What will it be this year, gout?
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If supporters like yourself think the club doctors were willing to open him up justified on an excuse, then I'm not sure what he can do.Bernard Shakey wrote:He's always got an excuse, this time it was two a hip and a shoulder.stinger wrote:Richter wrote:Kosi's stats for 2012:
First 10 games played, he averaged 10.7 disp, 4.7 marks, 1.9 goals, 1.8 tackles, 5.7 hitouts
Last 9 games played, he averaged 7.6 disp, 3.6 marks, 0.9 goals, 2.1 tackles, 3.4 hitouts
Pretty well backs up what most are thinking... that Kosi had a fair first half of the year but faded away badly in the second.
Like others I now see him behind Maister and Hickey, and probably Lee as well.
he had a hip injury and a dodgy shoulder.....says he's fine now....
What will it be this year, gout?
Be angry at the recruiters....who for too long, didn't have players to cover these guys when injured.
Kosi should never play injured, or carrying an injury.
I don't blame him for it though, unlike you.
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don't worry about him....it's only wobbleboy...wouldn't have a clue...
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He says he was advised to have surgery, but decided not so he could keep training. That could be considered selfish and foolish. He's obviously set up this years excuse already. The pre season work doesn't seem to have done him much good does it.SainterK wrote:
If supporters like yourself think the club doctors were willing to open him up justified on an excuse, then I'm not sure what he can do.
Be angry at the recruiters....who for too long, didn't have players to cover these guys when injured.
Kosi should never play injured, or carrying an injury.
I don't blame him for it though, unlike you.
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Could be, if it was left to people like yourself who always look for the negative....Bernard Shakey wrote:He says he was advised to have surgery, but decided not so he could keep training. That could be considered selfish and foolish. He's obviously set up this years excuse already. The pre season work doesn't seem to have done him much good does it.SainterK wrote:
If supporters like yourself think the club doctors were willing to open him up justified on an excuse, then I'm not sure what he can do.
Be angry at the recruiters....who for too long, didn't have players to cover these guys when injured.
Kosi should never play injured, or carrying an injury.
I don't blame him for it though, unlike you.
It's the opposite of that Bernard, this is likely his last season, if he was late returning it would defeat the entire purpose of having depth for spots.
He plays if he is up to it, he doesn't if he is not.
Heaps of clubs rest players to avoid surgery, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (like Dale Thomas this year)
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I think the issue is whether someone is showing more than Kosi.
So far Beau is. Lee is also showing good signs IMO.
The ball is Kosi's Oval (
) to show more than Beau.
So far Beau is. Lee is also showing good signs IMO.
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No, I don't think so.saintsRrising wrote:I think the issue is whether someone is showing more than Kosi.
So far Beau is. Lee is also showing good signs IMO.
The ball is Kosi's Oval () to show more than Beau.
I think Beau is already a lock, as is Roo.
Kosi is fighting it out with Hickey for the third tall.
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Lee would be a chance for that spot also. In his favour, he is a proven goalkicker ... not that he's done it for St Kilda yet, but 60 goals last year suggest he knows where they are.SainterK wrote:Kosi is fighting it out with Hickey for the third tall.
Against him, Hickey is a ruckman who can spell McEvoy.
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SainterK wrote:No, I don't think so.saintsRrising wrote:I think the issue is whether someone is showing more than Kosi.
So far Beau is. Lee is also showing good signs IMO.
The ball is Kosi's Oval () to show more than Beau.
I think Beau is already a lock, as is Roo.
Kosi is fighting it out with Hickey for the third tall.
So you have discounted Lee?
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I love Kos, and have supported him and stuck up for him throughout his career...
His time is up, the weekends practice match, although in tough conditions and only a trial, really showed his limitations have grown bigger in the off season, and with Beau really grabbing his opportunity, and Lee improving by the game, Kosi will struggle to get to 200...
His time is up, the weekends practice match, although in tough conditions and only a trial, really showed his limitations have grown bigger in the off season, and with Beau really grabbing his opportunity, and Lee improving by the game, Kosi will struggle to get to 200...
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No.plugger66 wrote:SainterK wrote:No, I don't think so.saintsRrising wrote:I think the issue is whether someone is showing more than Kosi.
So far Beau is. Lee is also showing good signs IMO.
The ball is Kosi's Oval () to show more than Beau.
I think Beau is already a lock, as is Roo.
Kosi is fighting it out with Hickey for the third tall.
So you have discounted Lee?
Have you?
I'm sure if he presses for selection he will be in the mix.
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SainterK wrote:No.plugger66 wrote:SainterK wrote:
No, I don't think so.
I think Beau is already a lock, as is Roo.
Kosi is fighting it out with Hickey for the third tall.
So you have discounted Lee?
Have you?
I'm sure if he presses for selection he will be in the mix.
Well I would be interested how you can fit Lee in then. I think Lee could only play if they went with one ruckman. I dont rate Kosi any hope unless he turns around his form this week if he even gets that chance. He may because Maister will probably be rested but then Hickey and Ben will probably play.
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SainterK wrote:Lee doesn't just have to push Kosi out to get a game.
Is Maister that much of a lock for the entire season?
I was actually talking round one only. No way is Maister a lock for the whole season but only Rooy and Milne are.
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Agree.plugger66 wrote:SainterK wrote:Lee doesn't just have to push Kosi out to get a game.
Is Maister that much of a lock for the entire season?
I was actually talking round one only. No way is Maister a lock for the whole season but only Rooy and Milne are.
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Actually not sure that milney is a lock for the whole season - plenty of competition from other small forwards. Hope to see him continue his AA form from last year thoughplugger66 wrote:SainterK wrote:Lee doesn't just have to push Kosi out to get a game.
Is Maister that much of a lock for the entire season?
I was actually talking round one only. No way is Maister a lock for the whole season but only Rooy and Milne are.
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I'm not sure why we're committed to the idea of three talls. Only Hawthorn managed to get 40 goals out of their second tall. West Coast got 40+ out of rotating their ruckmen. The thing is, none of our spare keys are Roughead and none of our rucks are Cox or Naitanui. We have an incredibly talented group of smalls. So play Roo with our second ruck and the rest as smalls.
It'll never happen though, so we'll probably start with Maister as 2nd and Hickey rotating with Ben. Lee probably starts as an emergency. Kosi... not so much.
It'll never happen though, so we'll probably start with Maister as 2nd and Hickey rotating with Ben. Lee probably starts as an emergency. Kosi... not so much.
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Depends what the rest of the game plan says about forward entries. A forward line full of smalls needs pretty good delivery for one of them to end up with the ball, so you need precision entries which are hard to get in the days of zone defence. On the other hand, when you've got a few talls, you can bang it long without thinking too much and hope that one of the big guys makes a contest. I think our game plan is for speed up the ground so tall forwards are pivotal to its success.vacuous space wrote:I'm not sure why we're committed to the idea of three talls. Only Hawthorn managed to get 40 goals out of their second tall. West Coast got 40+ out of rotating their ruckmen. The thing is, none of our spare keys are Roughead and none of our rucks are Cox or Naitanui. We have an incredibly talented group of smalls. So play Roo with our second ruck and the rest as smalls.
It'll never happen though...
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bergholt wrote:Depends what the rest of the game plan says about forward entries. A forward line full of smalls needs pretty good delivery for one of them to end up with the ball, so you need precision entries which are hard to get in the days of zone defence. On the other hand, when you've got a few talls, you can bang it long without thinking too much and hope that one of the big guys makes a contest. I think our game plan is for speed up the ground so tall forwards are pivotal to its success.vacuous space wrote:I'm not sure why we're committed to the idea of three talls. Only Hawthorn managed to get 40 goals out of their second tall. West Coast got 40+ out of rotating their ruckmen. The thing is, none of our spare keys are Roughead and none of our rucks are Cox or Naitanui. We have an incredibly talented group of smalls. So play Roo with our second ruck and the rest as smalls.
It'll never happen though...
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