Can some shrink this down for an avatar pic pleasematrix wrote:
fair points JB, RE developing players was a reference to 2010 where he persisted with Mini ahead of Armo and Steven though he was sucking (at the time)
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Can some shrink this down for an avatar pic pleasematrix wrote:
Why did you bother responding to a post from a halfwit??SainterK wrote:Because Milne and Schneids had never missed easy shots before?
Meh.
I'm over that argument.
They missed shots prior to 2009, after 2009, and I'm sure they will in the future.
It's a part of their game, something Ross would of taken into account when HE selected them.
He coached a team which drew a grand final. The result of a game that close could go either way depending on luck. It's moronic then to say that he "only knows how to come second".damienc wrote:But I reckon the biggest problem with Ross Lyon is not that he is a bad bloke but he is a coach who only knows how to come second.
Has he coached a premiership team?bergholt wrote:He coached a team which drew a grand final. The result of a game that close could go either way depending on luck. It's moronic then to say that he "only knows how to come second".damienc wrote:But I reckon the biggest problem with Ross Lyon is not that he is a bad bloke but he is a coach who only knows how to come second.
Had Longmire coached one before 2012?saintspremiers wrote:Has he coached a premiership team?bergholt wrote:He coached a team which drew a grand final. The result of a game that close could go either way depending on luck. It's moronic then to say that he "only knows how to come second".damienc wrote:But I reckon the biggest problem with Ross Lyon is not that he is a bad bloke but he is a coach who only knows how to come second.
The OP states he knows it's been done to death.bobmurray wrote:What post are you referring toCairnsman wrote:Done to death...what a deadset understatement of massive proportions.
saintspremiers wrote:Has he coached a premiership team?bergholt wrote:He coached a team which drew a grand final. The result of a game that close could go either way depending on luck. It's moronic then to say that he "only knows how to come second".damienc wrote:But I reckon the biggest problem with Ross Lyon is not that he is a bad bloke but he is a coach who only knows how to come second.
BigMart wrote:Overachieved with a list that included about 8-10 all Australians?
And a fist full of fist round draft picks most were jealous of, and why we were hated so much...
It can't be proven that M.Blight, GT or who ever couldn't have taken that list the distance
Midfield
Hayes, Dal Santo, Montagna were stars
Jones, Ball had important jobs
Rucks
Gardner, King.... Experienced
HB's
Gram, Fisher, Goddard, Gilbert also at their best
Deep Backs
Baker, Blake, Dawson were honest stoppers
Forwards
Reiwoldt, Milne.... All time greats
Kosi, Schnieder, Mini all handy
Really it was a top line side
Not sure what Eddy was doing instead of Steven or Armitage
BigMart wrote:For someone with bad groins, gee I watched him play some good games in the VFL?
RL was incorrect about Armitage in 2009/10 if he believe he lacked something... Like all players he was not perfect, but on ability he was ahead of 3 players in both sides.... Geary was too for that matter.. Although he missed through injury once.
The fact both are still there and now in the leadership group..... Clarke, Eddy, McQualter are not?
On pure footballing ability the other lacked more.
Armitage has proved since, he is a better footballer than Ross thought?! Only thing he (and Ball) lacked was the coaches confidence.... He stuffed up with them and it cost him dearly....
Both players ferocity at the coal face is perfectly suited to finals footy..... And they weren't utilised.
skeptic wrote:Steven could have played
glad we went with Mini though and dropped Jack and Armo after 2 or so bad games
those 15 gifted games for mini in 2010 really paid off though.
I really enjoyed that 1 1/4 in late 2010 where he made a few tackles
you may be on to something....but you got that bit wrong...the guy is an out and out prick...imhfo...damienc wrote:
But I reckon the biggest problem with Ross Lyon is not that he is a bad bloke but he is a coach who only knows how to come second. He will never coach the Fremantle Dockers to a premiership IMO in the same way he was never going to deliver with the Saints.
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BigMart wrote:So Ross was Right all the time was he?? Are you that silly??
And
Why was Jack playing with bad groins again?? Was the club being negligent? Your either fit to play or not, did we do a Luke Ball to him, maybe it's the club that wrecked his kicking??
Judging by some of your comment lately, I'm sure you volunteered to massage them at home for him??
I am in a very easy position to judge having hindsight to lean on.... Although, i think I may have argued this in 2009, anyways....At the time Ross went with who he thought and he could argue why... But clearly the selection of Rob Eddy was an error in all grand finals.... He was there to do a job, which did not work... Because 1) he was not good enough to make his opponent accountable, and 2) the opponent and opposition coach knew that...
Not Robs fault, terrific attitude, hard worker and would have given his all... But was ranked in the bottom 3 on the ground in all three games
You could argue at the time, Raph.... was more experienced than David and plays elsewhere ...., But Gwilt was playing VFL in 2009 and Mini had a great 09 deserved his spot
Dempster as a HFF, Mini in 2010??
Come on.... They were clear errors... All clubs make them, all coaches have
It's just the great coaches make less bad calls than good.....
Ross was a great coach... But he made a couple of obvious costly errors....
His use of Ball in 09 was embarrassing,,,, hindsight has also shown this
you would have to have some concerns during the replayed grannie too...or you know sfa about the game......i could have cried for roo alone inside the 50 metre zone with three filth players on him and with schneider and milne sitting on the bench...i thought...wtf...lyon lost me that day for good.....there was no way we were going to win with that game plan....whiskers3614 wrote:Lyon lovers will accept no criticism of "master coach" writing it off as revisionism.
fact is some of us were expressing concerns right in the middle of that supposed golden era.
EG the Hawthorn game late in 2009, I wonder if we hadn't have won would it have been subject to tanking enquiries?
plugger66 wrote:
I wish people would realise that no one has ever said RL didnt make errors but I suggest MM and MT also made them in the GF. For a start MM somehow couldnt manage to hold onto a 4 goal lead at half time of the first GF in 2010.