The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
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The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
Assuming upgrades...
B: Geary (24,183, 82) Ferguson (20, 194, 85) Simpkin (22, 191, 91)
HB: Newnes (20, 184, 76) Lever (20, 200, 82) Dunell (23, 190 81)
C: Siposs (20, 189, 87) Ross (20, 187, 83) Ledger (21, 178, 76)
HF: Milera (25, 183, 77) Stanley (22, 200, 98) Markworth (20, 189, 78)
F: McEvoy (23, 200, 101) Lee (22, 195, 86) Saad (23, 175, 75)
R: Hickey (22, 201, 87) Armitage (24, 183, 84) Steven (23, 180, 82)
INT: Curren (21, 178, 78) Dennis-Lane (24, 181, 75) Minchington (19, 179, 80)
Sub: Shenton (22, 188, 84)
Em: Webster (20, 188, 75) Staley (20, 194, 90) Winmar (22, 189, 83)
The future's not so bleak...
B: Geary (24,183, 82) Ferguson (20, 194, 85) Simpkin (22, 191, 91)
HB: Newnes (20, 184, 76) Lever (20, 200, 82) Dunell (23, 190 81)
C: Siposs (20, 189, 87) Ross (20, 187, 83) Ledger (21, 178, 76)
HF: Milera (25, 183, 77) Stanley (22, 200, 98) Markworth (20, 189, 78)
F: McEvoy (23, 200, 101) Lee (22, 195, 86) Saad (23, 175, 75)
R: Hickey (22, 201, 87) Armitage (24, 183, 84) Steven (23, 180, 82)
INT: Curren (21, 178, 78) Dennis-Lane (24, 181, 75) Minchington (19, 179, 80)
Sub: Shenton (22, 188, 84)
Em: Webster (20, 188, 75) Staley (20, 194, 90) Winmar (22, 189, 83)
The future's not so bleak...
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Re: The under 25's XXV
Looks a heck of a lot better than it did 12 months ago. Our under 25 side then was woeful.
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Re: The under 25's XXV
Good to see the recruiters and list managers know what they are doing.
Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts. Bring in a couple more quality youngsters later this month.
Lots of if's, but's and maybe's, but yes. Future isn't looking as dark and gloomy. Not out of the woods yet though IMO.
The next stage is the 'development academy'. Hope the investment starts paying dividends in the next 12-24 months.
We need to find some guns to replace Lenny, Roo and Milne.
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Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts. Bring in a couple more quality youngsters later this month.
Lots of if's, but's and maybe's, but yes. Future isn't looking as dark and gloomy. Not out of the woods yet though IMO.
The next stage is the 'development academy'. Hope the investment starts paying dividends in the next 12-24 months.
We need to find some guns to replace Lenny, Roo and Milne.
Re: The under 25's XXV
I'm not sure it's "fixed".shmic_s wrote:Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts.
Are there any stars in that side? I reckon that's a team full of ok to good to very good players (at best). To do really well, though, you need stars. Let's hope a couple of those guys end up in the top ten players in the league, otherwise we'll be 7th to 14th for a long time.
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Re: The under 25's XXV
bergholt wrote:I'm not sure it's "fixed".shmic_s wrote:Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts.
Are there any stars in that side? I reckon that's a team full of ok to good to very good players (at best). To do really well, though, you need stars. Let's hope a couple of those guys end up in the top ten players in the league, otherwise we'll be 7th to 14th for a long time.
Agree with that, but reckon there are stars potentially there (Siposs, Stanley, Ross, Lee..)
Either way, the "doom-and-gloom" brigade seems a little keen in view of that side
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
It's looking better than it did a couple of years ago, but it'd still be close to the worst in the league.
The best of our team: McEvoy, Siposs, Saad, Steven, Armitage, Stanley, Geary, Simpkin, Newnes
Top teams
Hawthorn: Franklin, Roughead, Rioli, Birchall, Gunston, Smith, Puopolo, Suckling, Savage, Schoenmakers
Collingwood: Pendlebury, Cloke, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom, Reid, Brown, Blair, Fasolo, Paine
Geelong: Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan, Menzel, Smedts, Motlop, Varcoe, Hunt, Murdoch, Christensen
Sydney: Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
Mid-range teams
Carlton: Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Betts, Henderson, Yarran, Gartlett, Robinson, Casblout, McInnes
Fremantle: Fyfe, Barlow, Hill, Ballantyne, Mayne, Clarke, Ibbotson, Pearce, Walters, Morabito
Richmond: Cotchin, Riewoldt, Deledio, Rance, Martin, Vickery, Conca, Grigg, Nahas, Houli, Morris
Even the punch lines of the competition
Port Adelaide: Hartlett, Trengove, Boak, Wingard, Butcher, Redden, Ebert, O'Shea
Melbourne: Grimes, Frawley, Clark, Jones, Howe, Watts, McKenzie, Blease
Watters, Pelchen and co are working very hard to avoid a horrible decline when the 28-30 year olds retire, but it'll take more than this. We have a few promising kids and some useful young players who can play a role, but we're a long way off being a force again. The younger portion of our list simply doesn't stack up to the rest of the competition.
The best of our team: McEvoy, Siposs, Saad, Steven, Armitage, Stanley, Geary, Simpkin, Newnes
Top teams
Hawthorn: Franklin, Roughead, Rioli, Birchall, Gunston, Smith, Puopolo, Suckling, Savage, Schoenmakers
Collingwood: Pendlebury, Cloke, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom, Reid, Brown, Blair, Fasolo, Paine
Geelong: Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan, Menzel, Smedts, Motlop, Varcoe, Hunt, Murdoch, Christensen
Sydney: Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
Mid-range teams
Carlton: Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Betts, Henderson, Yarran, Gartlett, Robinson, Casblout, McInnes
Fremantle: Fyfe, Barlow, Hill, Ballantyne, Mayne, Clarke, Ibbotson, Pearce, Walters, Morabito
Richmond: Cotchin, Riewoldt, Deledio, Rance, Martin, Vickery, Conca, Grigg, Nahas, Houli, Morris
Even the punch lines of the competition
Port Adelaide: Hartlett, Trengove, Boak, Wingard, Butcher, Redden, Ebert, O'Shea
Melbourne: Grimes, Frawley, Clark, Jones, Howe, Watts, McKenzie, Blease
Watters, Pelchen and co are working very hard to avoid a horrible decline when the 28-30 year olds retire, but it'll take more than this. We have a few promising kids and some useful young players who can play a role, but we're a long way off being a force again. The younger portion of our list simply doesn't stack up to the rest of the competition.
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
Agree with most posters.
We have a lot of work to do and aren't out of the woods BUT our situation has improved markedly from 12 months ago. So some credit is owed to the club mgt.
12 months ago I was paid up and full member of the doom and gloom brigade. Now I am in the - maybe some shred of hope - brigade.
We have a lot of work to do and aren't out of the woods BUT our situation has improved markedly from 12 months ago. So some credit is owed to the club mgt.
12 months ago I was paid up and full member of the doom and gloom brigade. Now I am in the - maybe some shred of hope - brigade.
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Re: The under 25's XXV
With a few obvious exceptions - most well over 25 - the swans are a team of ok to good to very good players (at best) as well.bergholt wrote:I'm not sure it's "fixed".shmic_s wrote:Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts.
Are there any stars in that side? I reckon that's a team full of ok to good to very good players (at best). To do really well, though, you need stars. Let's hope a couple of those guys end up in the top ten players in the league, otherwise we'll be 7th to 14th for a long time.
Important thing is how well they gel, give their all, and follow instructions.
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Re: The under 25's XXV
bergholt wrote:I'm not sure it's "fixed".shmic_s wrote:Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts.
Are there any stars in that side? I reckon that's a team full of ok to good to very good players (at best). To do really well, though, you need stars. Let's hope a couple of those guys end up in the top ten players in the league, otherwise we'll be 7th to 14th for a long time.
the only way to get stars, is to be on the bottom, or via free agency. Now that Goddard and Gram are gone, We might go hard for Free agency next year.
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
That team might even give GWS a run for it's money...Uncle Barrels wrote:Assuming upgrades...
B: Geary (24,183, 82) Ferguson (20, 194, 85) Simpkin (22, 191, 91)
HB: Newnes (20, 184, 76) Lever (20, 200, 82) Dunell (23, 190 81)
C: Siposs (20, 189, 87) Ross (20, 187, 83) Ledger (21, 178, 76)
HF: Milera (25, 183, 77) Stanley (22, 200, 98) Markworth (20, 189, 78)
F: McEvoy (23, 200, 101) Lee (22, 195, 86) Saad (23, 175, 75)
R: Hickey (22, 201, 87) Armitage (24, 183, 84) Steven (23, 180, 82)
INT: Curren (21, 178, 78) Dennis-Lane (24, 181, 75) Minchington (19, 179, 80)
Sub: Shenton (22, 188, 84)
Em: Webster (20, 188, 75) Staley (20, 194, 90) Winmar (22, 189, 83)
The future's not so bleak...
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Re: The under 25's XXV
Again, from my previous postdesertsaint wrote: With a few obvious exceptions - most well over 25 - the swans are a team of ok to good to very good players (at best) as well.
Important thing is how well they gel, give their all, and follow instructions.
Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
That's half their regular side under 25, and there are four absolute guns on that list, with a few more likely to improve drastically. Sydney have reshaped their team immensely over the past few years but a fair few people seem to think it's the same side they've had for a decade.
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That side would finish last next year. And will continue to finish last in the next few years. Hopefully we can trade and draft to stop that.
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I agree it's not fixed. More improved. Gone from very few in the 22-24 age bracket to having a few players like saad milera lee hickey that have a bit of potential. And with our new super development academy I have some hope that I didn't have previously.Uncle Barrels wrote:bergholt wrote:I'm not sure it's "fixed".shmic_s wrote:Clearly recognised the problem with the list and fixed it over the last 1.5 drafts.
Are there any stars in that side? I reckon that's a team full of ok to good to very good players (at best). To do really well, though, you need stars. Let's hope a couple of those guys end up in the top ten players in the league, otherwise we'll be 7th to 14th for a long time.
Agree with that, but reckon there are stars potentially there (Siposs, Stanley, Ross, Lee..)
Either way, the "doom-and-gloom" brigade seems a little keen in view of that side
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
Thanks Uncle Barrels. That's a nice looking side you've got listed there. I like it, I like it a lot.
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I think Cockie could sneak in there
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Re: The under 25's XXV
And would you have said the same thing prior to 2012?mad saint guy wrote:Again, from my previous postdesertsaint wrote: With a few obvious exceptions - most well over 25 - the swans are a team of ok to good to very good players (at best) as well.
Important thing is how well they gel, give their all, and follow instructions.
Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
That's half their regular side under 25, and there are four absolute guns on that list, with a few more likely to improve drastically. Sydney have reshaped their team immensely over the past few years but a fair few people seem to think it's the same side they've had for a decade.
Not a chance. Gelling as a team does wonderful things for confidence and pushing players to their peak. Give ours a year or two, we could go the same way, we may not. I think you are overrating the swans as individuals. Great season from them.
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
I don't agree with that at all. At the very least it would beat GWS and a Gazza Jnr-less GC, and that's without really thinking about any other teams. I'd be fairly comfortable in saying it would handle the Bulldogs as well without troubleplugger66 wrote:That side would finish last next year. And will continue to finish last in the next few years. Hopefully we can trade and draft to stop that.
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Con, Please explain?Con Gorozidis wrote:Looks a heck of a lot better than it did 12 months ago. Our under 25 side then was woeful.
Do you reckon we had some crap U25s last year?
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Just trying to work out how the players above in red qualify for Under 25's when they are already 25 and some will be 26 before the start of next seasonmad saint guy wrote:It's looking better than it did a couple of years ago, but it'd still be close to the worst in the league.
The best of our team: McEvoy, Siposs, Saad, Steven, Armitage, Stanley, Geary, Simpkin, Newnes
Top teams
Hawthorn: Franklin, Roughead, Rioli, Birchall, Gunston, Smith, Puopolo, Suckling, Savage, Schoenmakers
Collingwood: Pendlebury, Cloke, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom, Reid, Brown, Blair, Fasolo, Paine
Geelong: Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan, Menzel, Smedts, Motlop, Varcoe, Hunt, Murdoch, Christensen
Sydney: Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
Mid-range teams
Carlton: Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Betts, Henderson, Yarran, Gartlett, Robinson, Casblout, McInnes
Fremantle: Fyfe, Barlow, Hill, Ballantyne, Mayne, Clarke, Ibbotson, Pearce, Walters, Morabito
Richmond: Cotchin, Riewoldt, Deledio, Rance, Martin, Vickery, Conca, Grigg, Nahas, Houli, Morris
Even the punch lines of the competition
Port Adelaide: Hartlett, Trengove, Boak, Wingard, Butcher, Redden, Ebert, O'Shea
Melbourne: Grimes, Frawley, Clark, Jones, Howe, Watts, McKenzie, Blease
Watters, Pelchen and co are working very hard to avoid a horrible decline when the 28-30 year olds retire, but it'll take more than this. We have a few promising kids and some useful young players who can play a role, but we're a long way off being a force again. The younger portion of our list simply doesn't stack up to the rest of the competition.
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
The same way Milera does in the OPDevilhead wrote:Just trying to work out how the players above in red qualify for Under 25's when they are already 25 and some will be 26 before the start of next season
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Generally in the 'Unders' you would turn that age during the year. So I think it counts.
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Re: The under 25's XXV - The future ins't so frightening...
Why hasn't Winmar been delisted yet?
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Re: The under 25's XXV
Because we would have had Gilbert, Ray, Gwilt and Wilkes but now they have been replaced by Lever, Minchington, Curren and Shelton.magnifisaint wrote:Con, Please explain?Con Gorozidis wrote:Looks a heck of a lot better than it did 12 months ago. Our under 25 side then was woeful.
Do you reckon we had some crap U25s last year?
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Agreed. Many at the start of this year would have said that the swans had one established elite (and ageing) star, ie Goodes, plus a bunch of GOPS and a few promising/talented young players.desertsaint wrote:And would you have said the same thing prior to 2012?mad saint guy wrote:Again, from my previous postdesertsaint wrote: With a few obvious exceptions - most well over 25 - the swans are a team of ok to good to very good players (at best) as well.
Important thing is how well they gel, give their all, and follow instructions.
Kennedy, Jetta, Jack, Hannebury, Grundy, Reid, Rohan, Bird, Parker, Johnson, Smith
That's half their regular side under 25, and there are four absolute guns on that list, with a few more likely to improve drastically. Sydney have reshaped their team immensely over the past few years but a fair few people seem to think it's the same side they've had for a decade.
Not a chance. Gelling as a team does wonderful things for confidence and pushing players to their peak. Give ours a year or two, we could go the same way, we may not. I think you are overrating the swans as individuals. Great season from them.
So what's that different compared to us at the start of next year? I think we have a pretty good list of promising/talented young players mixed with a number of ageing elites....
How potential transfers into real performance is dependent ona number of factors, which we can predict at this stage.