Did Watters & Worsfold relationship cost us Brown??

[beartalbot]

Interesting article in Inside Footy today from Crackers Keenan.

"There was a whisper that Mitch Brown was offered to Essendon and GWS, but not StKilda. I hope the personal antipathy between certain key figures at StKilda and West Coast was not the stumbling block , but that is the word I'm getting from my contacts in Perth. I heard it suggested that there is a certain iciness in the relationship between former teammates John Worsfold and Scott Watters and that may have been an impediment in negotiations".

If true, it seems to me that Coaches egos continue to have negative impact on players best interests.

[plugger66]

Pretty sure Crackers got that nick for a reason.

[8856brother]

Didn't affect the Cripps trade if true.

[beartalbot]

Just posing the question P66 as to whether this was the reason West Coast was so dogged about retaining Brown. I know that he was still contracted, but it did seem that they put a high price on the head of a player who they refuse to utilise.
I put as much empasis on Crackers opinion as you appear to do, however, he must have greater contacts than you or I, I am just looking for reasons as to why they fought so hard to reject our offer to give the kid greater opportunities.

[beartalbot]

Didn't affect the Cripps trade if true.

We had bugger all choice but to deal with West Coast over Cripps as he was uncontracted. I still feel that we got screwed over that one too.

[8856brother]

Didn't affect the Cripps trade if true.

We had bugger all choice but to deal with West Coast over Cripps as he was uncontracted. I still feel that we got screwed over that one too.

I agree. But we still did it. Didn't have to.

Ross wouldn't have, would he Clarky.

[clarky449]

Didn't affect the Cripps trade if true.

We had bugger all choice but to deal with West Coast over Cripps as he was uncontracted. I still feel that we got screwed over that one too.

I agree. But we still did it. Didn't have to.

Ross wouldn't have, would he Clarky.

Ross would have done what is right.

[PJ]

Tongue, brown, pants

[bergholt]

Just posing the question P66 as to whether this was the reason West Coast was so dogged about retaining Brown. I know that he was still contracted, but it did seem that they put a high price on the head of a player who they refuse to utilise.

We "refused to utilise" Ross and Markworth this year, but that doesn't mean we think they have no value, or that we don't have future plans for them.

Same for the Eagles with Brown. They're well within their rights to have a succession plan in place for their key defenders.

[gringo]

Just posing the question P66 as to whether this was the reason West Coast was so dogged about retaining Brown. I know that he was still contracted, but it did seem that they put a high price on the head of a player who they refuse to utilise.

We "refused to utilise" Ross and Markworth this year, but that doesn't mean we think they have no value, or that we don't have future plans for them.

Same for the Eagles with Brown. They're well within their rights to have a succession plan in place for their key defenders.

Probably Winmar a fairer comparison- listed and retained for a long period but not played. If they offered about 12 first round picks and Kobe Stevens i would have been cartwheeling in the hall on my way to sign the paperwork.

[mr six o'clock]

Why doesn't pete ask them ?

[bergholt]

Probably Winmar a fairer comparison- listed and retained for a long period but not played.

Nah, Winmar's played 3, Brown's played 51. Raph Clarke was the only real comparison on our list, I think.

[andrewg]

We will get brown in about 10 months time

[clarky449]

We will get brown in about 10 months time

No we wont.

[andrewg]

We will get brown in about 10 months time

No we wont.

Why not?

[clarky449]

We will get brown in about 10 months time

No we wont.

Why not?

Alot can happen in a year. Glass or another player may suffer and injur, he may start getting opportunities. He may decide to stay, it has happened to Ryan Okeefe! In saying that, all that might not happen, and we will get him next year. I just think nothing is a given, and i think it is unlikely he will be a saints player ever.

[plugger66]

Just posing the question P66 as to whether this was the reason West Coast was so dogged about retaining Brown. I know that he was still contracted, but it did seem that they put a high price on the head of a player who they refuse to utilise.

We "refused to utilise" Ross and Markworth this year, but that doesn't mean we think they have no value, or that we don't have future plans for them.

Same for the Eagles with Brown. They're well within their rights to have a succession plan in place for their key defenders.

Probably Winmar a fairer comparison- listed and retained for a long period but not played. If they offered about 12 first round picks and Kobe Stevens i would have been cartwheeling in the hall on my way to sign the paperwork.

Yep fair comparison. One has played 3 games the other 51. One is HBF and the other a KPP player. I see the comparison.

[Zed]

we got screwed on the Cripps deal, but the alternative was to let him walk to the draft for nothing which is just plain dumb. WC definitely got the better of us this trade period.

[SydneySainter]

If true, it's either because of bad blood between Watters and Worsfold, or maybe WC rate us as more of a threat than most others do and had no intention if making us stronger. I think the former, but either way, they clearly had little interest in doing a trade with us. But, it's actually not too dissimilar with how we handed Ball, except he wasn't contracted.

When it comes to coaches egos, player well fair counts for little. Again, Ball was a similar case and Ross didn't want to just move him on to a top rival, just to satisfy an unhappy player. Talk about unfair compensation all you want, but when a player isn't contracted, you don't have box seat.

I'm actually pro WC enforcing their contract with Brown. He signed it, their entitled to enforce.

[Legendary]

I would have thought our list manager (Ameet Bains), our head of football (Chris Pelchen) and our head of recruiting (Tony Elshaug) would have been more involved in dealing with their respective counter-parts at West Coast than the two coaches (Worsfold & Watters).

In fact, I have never heard of 2 coaches negotiating a trade together.

So I think Crackers is showing why people call him that.

[SydneySainter]

In our case, yes, but at other clubs, the coaches have a lot of influence.

Ross certainly did during his time with us, as did GT before him.

Even though Watters has no involvement in trades, we don't know what influence Worsfold has at WC.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

I would have thought our list manager (Ameet Bains), our head of football (Chris Pelchen) and our head of recruiting (Tony Elshaug) would have been more involved in dealing with their respective counter-parts at West Coast than the two coaches (Worsfold & Watters).

In fact, I have never heard of 2 coaches negotiating a trade together.

So I think Crackers is showing why people call him that.

100% correct ... The coaches coach the team the list managers build for them ... It's a bit like the bs about Scott tuning the club to WA centric

[SydneySainter]

I would have thought our list manager (Ameet Bains), our head of football (Chris Pelchen) and our head of recruiting (Tony Elshaug) would have been more involved in dealing with their respective counter-parts at West Coast than the two coaches (Worsfold & Watters).

In fact, I have never heard of 2 coaches negotiating a trade together.

So I think Crackers is showing why people call him that.

100% correct ... The coaches coach the team the list managers build for them ... It's a bit like the bs about Scott tuning the club to WA centric

100% correct in theory, not in practice. In our case, it certainly appears that Watters has zilch involvement in trades, but does that also apply to Worsfold?

I obviously don't know how each individual club operate cons trade week, but do you really think the likes of Lyon just twiddle his thumbs and waits to see what team the football department build?

[st.byron]

Perth media and WC fans think Worsfold is untouchable, but to me he's a grade A arrogant ar*ehole. Bad blood between Watters and Worsfold goes at least back to a few years back when Watters was working in the Perth media and Worsfold gave him a nice put down by telling him that, "To play in a premiership team you have to be a very special individual". The context of the statement was Worsfold inferring that he was a superior human being to Watters and anyone else who hadn't played in a flag. Can't stand Worsfold - my most detested individual in the game - along with Sam Newman, although Newman's not really in the game. He's just a self glorifying media twat.

[clarky449]

Worsfold is a bloody good coach. Wouldnt mind him coaching us.