Cripps Traded

[Austinnn]

Effectively means that we have 4 picks in the draft before the Eagles. 25/26/41/44 which could all be upgraded if the Crows lose draft picks over the Tippet saga.

Sadly, the Crows only have one pick (P20) before all our picks, so if they do get penalised it will only shift our picks up one place each.

[desertsaint]

Should have retired no. 35 for 20 years in respect, cripps has shown it none at all.
I would've cast him to the draft. Picks in the forties? Pure lottery. Prefer the message sent to cripps and the eagles.

[saintly]

Plan B has already been activated,
Jason Blake has been told he is a required player.
He will be offered a one year contract if he wants to continue playing.

Raph Clarke and Nicholas Winmar are both likely to be cut from the senior list when List Lodgement No1 takes place on Wednesday 31 October.
That would clear space for all 4 second round draft picks (25, 26, 41 & 44) to be activated and allow 2 rookies to be permanently upgraded in the national draft.

they would have to pay winmar out as he is contracted for next year..

[St Ick]

Should have retired no. 35 for 20 years in respect, cripps has shown it none at all.
I would've cast him to the draft. Picks in the forties? Pure lottery. Prefer the message sent to cripps and the eagles.

I like what the filth do and give it to our first draftee for the previous year. What an honour!

[saintbob]

Played 7 games this season for the Swans in a premiership year and was named as an emergency for the GF, so he was in their top 23-26 players in 2012 something that I don't believe Cripps was at the Saints and he will be further down the line at WC.

[Richter]

Should have retired no. 35 for 20 years in respect, cripps has shown it none at all.
I would've cast him to the draft. Picks in the forties? Pure lottery. Prefer the message sent to cripps and the eagles.

Disagree. The fact that picks in the 40s are a lottery mean that you need to pick plenty up and give players a couple of years in the system to develop to see if they hit the jackpot or not... players we have picked up past #40 in the National Draft since 2001..

2001 - Josh Houlihan
2002 - Leigh Fisher
2003 - Sam Fisher, Craig Callahan
2004 - Mark McGough, James Gwilt
2005 - Michael Rix, Philip Raymond, Justin Sweeney
2006 - Jarryd Allen, Matthew Ferguson
2007 - Jack Steven, Fraser Gehrig, Eljay Connors
2008 - Rhys Stanley, Nicholas Heyne, Alistair Smith, Paul Cahill, Colm Begley
2009 - Jesse Smith, Adam Pattinson, Will Johnson
2010 - Sam Crocker, Tom Ledger, Arryn Sippos, Ryan Gamble
2011 - Jimmy Webster, Jay Lever, Beau Wilkes

That's a total of 29 players. Clearly the majority haven't made it... But...

1 (Sam Fisher) is an elite defender, dual AA
4 will be 100+ game players (Gwilt, Steven, Stanley, Sippos)
3 have been or will be serviceable 25+ game players (Leigh Fisher, Rix, Wilkes)

And the jury is still out on 3 others (Ledger, Webster, Lever)

[Con Gorozidis]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

[Bernard Shakey]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

Totally different player, but definitely an upgrade.

[The Redeemer]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

Totally different player, but definitely an upgrade.

Cripps had shown nothing apart from running around randomly and popping up for cheap goals.

[Con Gorozidis]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

Totally different player, but definitely an upgrade.

oh totally different. on is a ruckman and one is a rover.
not that much different. 80% of players are midfielders these days.

[Siposstar#2]

Neither of those is a ruckman mate

[St Ick]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

Totally different player, but definitely an upgrade.

oh totally different. on is a ruckman and one is a rover.
not that much different. 80% of players are midfielders these days.

Con was on the turps last night I fear.

[saintly]

Should have retired no. 35 for 20 years in respect, cripps has shown it none at all.
I would've cast him to the draft. Picks in the forties? Pure lottery. Prefer the message sent to cripps and the eagles.

Disagree. The fact that picks in the 40s are a lottery mean that you need to pick plenty up and give players a couple of years in the system to develop to see if they hit the jackpot or not... players we have picked up past #40 in the National Draft since 2001..

2001 - Josh Houlihan
2002 - Leigh Fisher
2003 - Sam Fisher, Craig Callahan
2004 - Mark McGough, James Gwilt
2005 - Michael Rix, Philip Raymond, Justin Sweeney
2006 - Jarryd Allen, Matthew Ferguson
2007 - Jack Steven, Fraser Gehrig, Eljay Connors
2008 - Rhys Stanley, Nicholas Heyne, Alistair Smith, Paul Cahill, Colm Begley
2009 - Jesse Smith, Adam Pattinson, Will Johnson
2010 - Sam Crocker, Tom Ledger, Arryn Sippos, Ryan Gamble
2011 - Jimmy Webster, Jay Lever, Beau Wilkes

That's a total of 29 players. Clearly the majority haven't made it... But...

1 (Sam Fisher) is an elite defender, dual AA
4 will be 100+ game players (Gwilt, Steven, Stanley, Sippos)
3 have been or will be serviceable 25+ game players (Leigh Fisher, Rix, Wilkes)

And the jury is still out on 3 others (Ledger, Webster, Lever)

I think you should've looked at other clubs picks rather then ours. I think they might've done better.

[gringo]

I rate Cripps and while he is still in development mode I think in a couple of years he could be in the WCE starting 22 and could become an elite player. He is no further behind than a large percentage of players taken in the same draft and showed some very encouraging signs. I'm disappointed we didn't keep him.

[magnifisaint]

Cripps is not hard enough. He plays like an outside receiver. I've never seen him lay a tackle

[bobmurray]

I like Cripps but I have a good feeling we will forget him very quickly if Markworth steps it up.
Markworth could well be an upgrade on Crippsy.

Totally different player, but definitely an upgrade.

oh totally different. on is a ruckman and one is a rover.
not that much different. 80% of players are midfielders these days.

[BigMart]

What

We can call him soft now??

[clarky449]

Will be a good player, would of been good if he stayed, but clearly he was set on going back home. Oh well.

[Yaysaints]

Not impressed if its true that he moved back to Perth before he was traded. He hadn't earned that right

[magnifisaint]

Not impressed if its true that he moved back to Perth before he was traded. He hadn't earned that right

He just confirmed he was soft

[White Winmar]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The selection of Cripps was one of the greatest howlers in our recent recruiting. Now we've reaped what we sowed. Well done to "Smithers" Elshaug on that selection, and having overlooked Jack Darling, then compounded the problem by selecting Crocker next. Two for none. The thing that frightens me most about the current set up is we have a recruiting manager who has little or no formal training, no demonstrated ability, and so far, a questionable record. I just hope the pelican is pulling the strings on draft day. Smithers has NFI.

[vacuous space]

Well done to "Smithers" Elshaug on that selection...

Wasn't it John Peake?

[Legendary]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The selection of Cripps was one of the greatest howlers in our recent recruiting. Now we've reaped what we sowed. Well done to "Smithers" Elshaug on that selection, and having overlooked Jack Darling, then compounded the problem by selecting Crocker next. Two for none. The thing that frightens me most about the current set up is we have a recruiting manager who has little or no formal training, no demonstrated ability, and so far, a questionable record. I just hope the pelican is pulling the strings on draft day. Smithers has NFI.

John Peake selected Cripps. Not Elshaug.

Please apologise to Elshaug. He has had 1 draft and it was last year's.

Elshaug has been involved in footy at the highest level as an assistance coach since the mid 90's, and before that he was a junior and development coach in various leagues in Victoria, as well as having played the game at the highest level.

I'm sorry, but if he can't pick talent with that background, he must have been walking around legally blind the last 3 decades?

I reckon he did a pretty good job last year (so far on what we have seen).

Surely he deserves 3-4 drafts before you rubbish him with absolutely no basis?

[plugger66]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The selection of Cripps was one of the greatest howlers in our recent recruiting. Now we've reaped what we sowed. Well done to "Smithers" Elshaug on that selection, and having overlooked Jack Darling, then compounded the problem by selecting Crocker next. Two for none. The thing that frightens me most about the current set up is we have a recruiting manager who has little or no formal training, no demonstrated ability, and so far, a questionable record. I just hope the pelican is pulling the strings on draft day. Smithers has NFI.

John Peake selected Cripps. Not Elshaug.

Please apologise to Elshaug. He has had 1 draft and it was last year's.

Elshaug has been involved in footy at the highest level as an assistance coach since the mid 90's, and before that he was a junior and development coach in various leagues in Victoria, as well as having played the game at the highest level.

I'm sorry, but if he can't pick talent with that background, he must have been walking around legally blind the last 3 decades?

I reckon he did a pretty good job last year (so far on what we have seen).

Surely he deserves 3-4 drafts before you rubbish him with absolutely no basis?

Pretty sure Peake was not at that draft. Elshaug may have just started.

[hayes66]

Should have retired no. 35 for 20 years in respect, cripps has shown it none at all.
I would've cast him to the draft. Picks in the forties? Pure lottery. Prefer the message sent to cripps and the eagles.

Disagree. The fact that picks in the 40s are a lottery mean that you need to pick plenty up and give players a couple of years in the system to develop to see if they hit the jackpot or not... players we have picked up past #40 in the National Draft since 2001..

2001 - Josh Houlihan
2002 - Leigh Fisher
2003 - Sam Fisher, Craig Callahan
2004 - Mark McGough, James Gwilt
2005 - Michael Rix, Philip Raymond, Justin Sweeney
2006 - Jarryd Allen, Matthew Ferguson
2007 - Jack Steven, Fraser Gehrig, Eljay Connors
2008 - Rhys Stanley, Nicholas Heyne, Alistair Smith, Paul Cahill, Colm Begley
2009 - Jesse Smith, Adam Pattinson, Will Johnson
2010 - Sam Crocker, Tom Ledger, Arryn Sippos, Ryan Gamble
2011 - Jimmy Webster, Jay Lever, Beau Wilkes

That's a total of 29 players. Clearly the majority haven't made it... But...

1 (Sam Fisher) is an elite defender, dual AA
4 will be 100+ game players (Gwilt, Steven, Stanley, Sippos)
3 have been or will be serviceable 25+ game players (Leigh Fisher, Rix, Wilkes)

And the jury is still out on 3 others (Ledger, Webster, Lever)

I think you should've looked at other clubs picks rather then ours. I think they might've done better.

Let's have a look at Collingwoods then over the same period???

2001- Mark McCough, Dane Swan, Tristen Walker
2002- F/Son: Cameron Cloke, David King, Mathew Logan.
2003: Father Son: Heath Shaw, Julian Rowe.
2004: Adam Iacobucci
2005: None over forty.Their three picks just before forty were: Danny Stanley, Ryan Cook, Jack Anthony.
2006: Brad Dick, Tyson Goldsack.
2007: Toby Thoolen, F/Son: Jackson Barham
2008: Jared Blight, Luke Rounds.
2009: Ben Sinclair, Josh Thomas, Simon Buckley
2010: Alex Fasolo, Daniel Farmer,Kirk Ugle, Paul Seedaman, Trent Stubbs.

As you can see the the top clubs can pick them after forty and according to a lot of people Collingwood are very good at drafting.
As for the poor old Saints who have they picked up in the forties over the last few years that you rate?